"Make America Great Again!": The TRUMP Thread!!! - Part 6

[SV Fan]

I think he gets made fun of because he wants to buddy up to Putin and talk to Kim Jong Un, while he insults our allies like the UK or Japan. He only wants to be friends with people who will talk nice about him. It has nothing to do with policy and everything to do with how others leaders react to his stupidity. I fully believe in pursuing piece between Israel and Palestine. But listen to how he talks about doing it. He admits he wants to con people, which of course makes it impossible to con them into anything.

I get what you are saying but in a vacuum what he said about Kim Jung Un makes perfect sense to me. It's this stupid macho mentality that we should make our enemies submit before we do anything positive that US politicians seem to harbor way to much(see Cuba and Iran)

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I get what you are saying but in a vacuum what he said about Kim Jung Un makes perfect sense to me. It's this stupid macho mentality that we should make our enemies submit before we do anything positive that US politicians seem to harbor way to much(see Cuba and Iran)

But Trump does that with our allies. He threatens them, literally. If that is a problem to you, isn't that an negative about Trump?

Obama has actually attempted to do what you speak off, and gets called weak or a fake Muslim by Trump. Any nuance is crapped on by him.

 

[SV Fan]

But Trump does that with our allies. He threatens them, literally. If that is a problem to you, isn't that an negative about Trump?

I said I agree with a small amount of stuff he says, doesn't mean I agree with the methods he uses. As I said in a vacuum the Kim Jong Un thing to me makes perfect sense(and you would never see any other politician dare to say those words)

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I said I agree with a small but sizeable amount of stuff he says, doesn't mean I agree with the methods he uses. As I said in a vacuum the Kim Jong Un thing to me makes perfect sense

In a vacuum anything can be made to look good. The problem is of course that isn't how the world works. If every policy he mentions is contradicted by another policy or his very own words and actions, how can you say you agree with it? Removing anything from context removes it from reality. He has literally done what you complained about in your other post, but you just ignore it.

 

[SV Fan]

In a vacuum anything can be made to look good. The problem is of course that isn't how the world works. If every policy he mentions is contradicted by another policy or his very own words and actions, how can you say you agree with it? Removing anything from context removes it from reality. He has literally done what you complained about in your other post, but you just ignore it.

How does the saying go? a broken clock is right twice a day?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

How does the saying go? a broken clock is right twice a day?

But that only works if the clock doesn't suddenly start working at at the exactly wrong time. How can Trump be right as he contradicts exactly what you say you like about what he said? If he changes and moves off that, how can he be right about it?

 

[Shikamaru]

Republicans literally **** the country, admit they'd rather stand still then give into anything, and it is the Democrats fault... WTH?

The argument against the Democratic establishment is hypocrisy because too many sit at home during elections. It is exactly why we end up with a Senate and House lead by people who make sure at attempt at a Liberal agenda cannot be done. It is why Republicans try to block voting whenever they can. This is not to say that the Democrats don't represent the establishment. They do. But this has just as much to do with the voters.

Relax buddy. I said it's the fault of the Establishment as a whole (which means both Democrats and Republicans). The reason I singled out the Democrats is because they're the ones with the more Establishment candidate for this particular election. A lot of sane people are voting for Trump (or not voting at all) because they're so disgusted by Hillary's campaign.

I love how I wrote a whole rant on how the Republican candidate is a bigger fascist than the Democratic one, put the blame on the Establishment as a whole and you respond with a rant on how I wanked the Republicans. Talk about missing the point.

 

[Matt]

Clearly one of the biggest misconceptions people have about Trump's voters is that they're all these wacko racists, sexists, xenophobes, etc.

The truth of the matter is there's a lot of "normal" people who are supporting Trump, but not for the reasons you'd think. Their rationale is essentially "burn it all to the ground", which is why they'll be voting for Trump (or not vote at all), even if they know Hillary is more mentally stable and more aligned with their beliefs. They're so angered by what the Establishment's been doing for the past 40 years that they're willing to vote a crazy person in just to spite them.

If you think this sentiment is shared by the Bernie-or-Bust movement alone, it's not. Honestly, it's a sentiment that's shared by a lot of the global community. Here in Canada, I hear numerous claims on a weekly basis that America deserves Trump so that "they learn their lesson". In the UK it's the same. Some go as far as to include themselves in the statement, saying instead that "we all need to learn our lesson" since the US president is the main leader of the Western world and has major influence in the global economy.

Personally if I was an American citizen, would I really vote for Trump or give the election to him by not voting Hillary? I honestly don't know. My gut feeling tells me I'd vote for Jill Stein or stay home, but I might just drag my ass to vote for Hillary if I lived in a swing state (kicking and screaming, of course). I don't know what the right call would be, but there's one thing that I do know and can't stand about the Hillary voters. That is this idea that if Trump wins the election, those who didn't vote for Hillary are the ones at fault for it.

No...just no. To quote Chris Hedges, "fascist movements build their base not from the politically active but the politically inactive, the 'losers' who feel, often correctly, they have no voice or role to play in the political establishment." You can't actively disenfranchise your population and still expect it to act rationally. All you've done is put them in a place where they feel helpless, which will only lead to them being desperate.

So if Trump wins the presidency, that is the direct fault of the Establishment (and more particularly of the Democratic Party). I don't see how Bernie's camp or anyone else's camp can be demonized for it more than the Establishment should.

That's the kind of logic that allowed the Nazi Party to rise to power. They were rejecting the post WWI "establishment," who was "out of touch."

Further, I've reached the point where I no longer accept that there are rational, non-bigots who support trump. If you can turn a blind eye to such bigotry, than you too are a bigot. It's that simple.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

How exactly would Trump "destroy" ISIS?

We have actually been doing quite well against ISIS the last 6 months or so, but people seem to ignore that they are losing land and going broke.

how do you figure that?

The core recruiting tool ISIS has is that the West hates Muslims. We don't. Bigoted, small minded (small handed) individuals do, but the west doesn't hate Muslims. We hate radical terrorists. We hate death. ISIS is going to take Trumps hate speech directed towards Islam and use it as a lightning rod to gain tons of new followers. Persecution never leads to anything positive. Instead of demonizing an ENTIRE religion we need to work much more closely, in a positive way, with the muslim communities to stamp out radicals before they even pop up.

For more on way Trump would be the best thing to happen to ISIS read this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...3c8eb6-92f2-11e5-b5e4-279b4501e8a6_story.html

i've heard this before. the young turks always try to say this is how isis wants muslims to feel - isolated and hated by everyone else in the world. what isis is doing is poison and that poison has affected american muslims - that couple in california, and the florida shooter. he may not have been a part of isis but he claimed and bragged to be part of terrorist organizations in the past. so there must've been an isis influence.

that article is pretty old. didn't trump also cut the washington post off?

By the way the biggest problem of this planet is globe warming, a grave problem Republicans like to act like doesn't exist.

isis will kill and turn everyone on each other before global warming ever gets a chance.

 

[Lighthouse]

how do you figure that?

i've heard this before. the young turks always try to say this is how isis wants muslims to feel - isolated and hated by everyone else in the world. what isis is doing is poison and that poison has affected american muslims - that couple in california, and the florida shooter. he may not have been a part of isis but he claimed and bragged to be part of terrorist organizations in the past. so there must've been an isis influence.

that article is pretty old. didn't trump also cut the washington post off?

isis will kill and turn everyone on each other before global warming ever gets a chance.

And Trump will do.......what?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Relax buddy. I said it's the fault of the Establishment as a whole (which means both Democrats and Republicans). The reason I singled out the Democrats is because they're the ones with the more Establishment candidate for this particular election. A lot of sane people are voting for Trump (or not voting at all) because they're so disgusted by Hillary's campaign.

I love how I wrote a whole rant on how the Republican candidate is a bigger fascist than the Democratic one, put the blame on the Establishment as a whole and you respond with a rant on how I wanked the Republicans. Talk about missing the point.

You are missing the point.

The Establishment thing is bizarre because Democrats get blamed more for it, even as a lot of the complaints are about the crap that happens in a Republican led House and Senate. It is like the Democrats and Liberals in general blame candidate who they don't vote for or don't assist by voting of their liked minded fellow candidates. Liberals only do stuff during Presidential election years. The vast majority don't even realize when midterm elections are.

So those complaining should be complaining about themselves in this case.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

how do you figure that?

By reading and watching the news:

http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-losing-territory-2016-5

http://time.com/money/4251494/why-isis-is-going-broke/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/28/politics/isis-losses-iraq-syria-brussels/

isis will kill and turn everyone on each other before global warming ever gets a chance.

Yeah, just like Al-Qaeda did. Give it 50 years, we will see which has had more impact, heck which is actually still around. You know, as we just lost our first species to Globe Warming this week.

Also, you still haven't explain how Trump is going to stop ISIS.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

And Trump will do.......what?

I don't know. You got me there.

By reading and watching the news:

http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-losing-territory-2016-5

http://time.com/money/4251494/why-isis-is-going-broke/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/28/politics/isis-losses-iraq-syria-brussels/


Yeah, just like Al-Qaeda did. Give it 50 years, we will see which has had more impact. You know, as we just lost our first species to Globe Warming this week.

What has Trump actually said about global warming? As far as I can tell he hasn't said anything against it he's just been silent.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't know. You got me there.
What has Trump actually said about global warming? As far as I can tell he hasn't said anything against it he's just been silent.

He calls it a hoax, except of course if it is benefiting him:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ng-a-hoax-until-it-threatens-his-golf-course/

Also noticed you ignored the stuff about ISIS.

 

[Supernova]

There is not a 1% chance of anything from ISIS destroying this country. The number is probably so small, it would probably take me a while to write all the zeroes after the decimal. To even suggest that ISIS could destroy the US is simply ridiculous.

Its more rediculous and misguided to not think it is possible despite the percentage. No one thought france could get hit ethier....

 

[Supernova]

I don't know. You got me there.
What has Trump actually said about global warming? As far as I can tell he hasn't said anything against it he's just been silent.

Dont worry the trump haters will make up another qoute and try hard to draw conclusions

 

[Kelly]

Unbelievable....

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Its more rediculous and misguided to not think it is possible despite the percentage. No one thought france could get hit ethier....

Is France destroyed? Did the country stop existing? Someone needs to tell the European Football Federations they are playing their Championships in a post-apocalyptic land.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Unbelievable....

Is it Kelly, is it really?

 

[Supernova]

Is France destroyed? Did the country stop existing? Someone needs to tell the European Football Federations they are playing their Championships in a post-apocalyptic land.

Not destroyed but attacked, hence why i said attacked but you read what you wanted to

 

[Supernova]

Is it Kelly, is it really?

It most certainly is

 

[Kelly]

I don't know. You got me there.
What has Trump actually said about global warming? As far as I can tell he hasn't said anything against it he's just been silent.

Dont worry the trump haters will make up another qoute and try hard to draw conclusions

Just a few of Trumps tweets to educate you.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Not destroyed but attacked

Dude, it is not hard to read post and yet you continually act like it is climbing Everest. I am responding to the insane idea that ISIS is anywhere close to destroying the US. It isn't. In fact ISIS is getting their ass kicked right now. Vice has a great video of an ISIS fighter in action. I can't post it here because of the content, but it pretty much sums up their fighting ability.

Can the US or any other nation be attacked? Of course. It has happened multiple times and it is an utter tragedy every single time. But that isn't the crazy rhetoric that is spoken about. Some act like they are going to take our beaches Normandy style.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It most certainly is

She is talking about you.

Just a few of Trumps tweets to educate you.

But did he actually say it Kelly? Because we all know it only counts if we have video tape evidence of the words coming out of his mouth, and even then well it doesn't really count.

 

[Sawyer]

She is talking about you.

This thread has officially turned into an episode of It's Always Sunny.