Civil War Mandarin in Civil War?

[The Overlord]

Iron Man vs the Mandarin would've been an epic battle. I was really hoping for that in IM3 with Iron Man taking on all of the Mandarin's rings and having to stretch his own tech to the limit to counter all those different weapons.

Maybe we could still get that one day, especially now in the age of Dr Strange. It might not look as unusual to have someone who appears almost like a magic user battling Shellhead.

I don't think Mandarin's rings are biggest problem with him, the biggest problems is an inconsistent personality, a rather standard generic hero vs. villain rivalry with Iron Man and his racial stereotype origins. The Mandarin will still be a hard sell in China, no matter what. Mandarin comes off as a badly dated character sometimes and because of that, writers don't seem to have a consistent vision for him, not just dated in a silly way, but in a offensive way. That is why Shane Black did not use the comic book Mandarin in his film, he said Mandarin was a racial stereotype.

Someone compared Mandarin to Ra's Al Ghul. But Ghul has a rather consistent personality and an ideology that can be easily understood and would attractive enough to gain a lot of followers. Mandarin seems like a different guy every time someone else writes him, I am not sure what his ideology is and why he has followers and I don't think there is anything participial interesting in the rivalry between Iron Man and the Mandarin.

Killain might not have been the perfect villain, but I think comic book Mandarin is a character only hard core fan boys would love, he seems like an extremely hard sell for the general public, both in America and overseas.

 

[Norek]

Mandarin in Civil War?

There is something about the thread title that made me laugh hard when I noticed it for the first time today.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

I'm pretty sure the Mandarin won't show up in Civil War. I would be very surprised if he does.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Mandarin as villain would make this an Iron Man film. Save him for later.

 

[MbJ]

Killain might not have been the perfect villain, but I think comic book Mandarin is a character only hard core fan boys would love, he seems like an extremely hard sell for the general public, both in America and overseas.

Pretty much exactly this. And at the end of the day, Iron Man 3 still made a billion dollars.

They're not going to actively alienate a large chunk of their potential audience just to please a few fans.

 

[MichaelChen]

Killian IS a thematically accurate version of The Mandarin. The Mandarin is not defined by his rings. He is defined by being an aristocrat who spent all of his fiefdom's people's money turning himself into a science and martial arts super-soldier. The rings are a fairly trivial bit of fluff, like Joker's acid flower. Did anyone miss the acid flower in Dark Knight?

 

[smallville fan]

Did anyone miss the acid flower in Dark Knight?

But The Joker was THE Joker, no substitute. It wasn't a crackhead that laughs a lot from smoking crack while the real Joker was a 60's Batman villain using The Joker name as a mythical ruse.

 

[ctsketch]

An expansive business that wanted to knock out Stark Industries.

Ummm where do you get that? he wanted funding and research help on Extremis, and Pepper said no. Nowhere in the plot was there any indication he had a beef against Stark Industries. Tony is the one who inserted himself into his plot unknowingly

 

[falconcrest87]

Mandarin in the Civil War? NO!!!!! WTF is this thread even here on the Captain America forum?!?!

 

[Dark Raven]

Mandarin in the Civil War? NO!!!!! WTF is this thread even here on the Captain America forum?!?!

That's an interesting username you have there. Were you a fan of that 80s soap?

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Mandarin in the Civil War? NO!!!!! WTF is this thread even here on the Captain America forum?!?!

It's not really the weirdest thing anyone's ever put forward as something belonging in a Cap movie.

 

[falconcrest87]

That's an interesting username you have there. Were you a fan of that 80s soap?

Yes. But that's not the reason that's my username. It's a quote from Anthony Mackie about his preparation for his role as the Falcon. I thought it would be obscure and ridiculous enough for anonimity on a comic website. But thanks for asking.

 

[falconcrest87]

It's not really the weirdest thing anyone's ever put forward as something belonging in a Cap movie.

Yeah but it is clear that 1) Someone is dead serious about this occuring even though there's no practical reason for him to show up here. And 2) Someone is clearly not over Ironman 3. It's the movie we got, please let it go.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Yeah but it is clear that 1) Someone is dead serious about this occuring even though there's no practical reason for him to show up here. And 2) Someone is clearly not over Ironman 3. It's the movie we got, please let it go.

Eh, some of the suggestions I've seen are the Punisher, Ms Marvel, War Machine...

Usually their rationale is that Cap is a military dude and those guys are military dudes. Even though Cap is actually a retired military dude from an entirely different branch of the military at that.

Really, they just like those characters and want to see them.

 

[Slushy]

We're not going to get the Mandarin. There was a reason they did the twist they did in Iron Man 3. If anything I don't see All Hail the King as setting up a sequel but simply throwing a bone to the people who complained about how the Mandarin wasn't the Fu Manchu rip-off they wanted.

I was fine with Osama Bin Mandarin, but they wouldn't even fu**ing give us that!

 

[giveyourself12%]

I don't think Mandarin's rings are biggest problem with him, the biggest problems is an inconsistent personality, a rather standard generic hero vs. villain rivalry with Iron Man and his racial stereotype origins. The Mandarin will still be a hard sell in China, no matter what. Mandarin comes off as a badly dated character sometimes and because of that, writers don't seem to have a consistent vision for him, not just dated in a silly way, but in a offensive way. That is why Shane Black did not use the comic book Mandarin in his film, he said Mandarin was a racial stereotype.

Someone compared Mandarin to Ra's Al Ghul. But Ghul has a rather consistent personality and an ideology that can be easily understood and would attractive enough to gain a lot of followers. Mandarin seems like a different guy every time someone else writes him, I am not sure what his ideology is and why he has followers and I don't think there is anything participial interesting in the rivalry between Iron Man and the Mandarin.

Killain might not have been the perfect villain, but I think comic book Mandarin is a character only hard core fan boys would love, he seems like an extremely hard sell for the general public, both in America and overseas.

I just wanted the guy Trevor Slattery was portraying to have been real villain. He was brilliant and menacing.

I was fine with Osama Bin Mandarin, but they wouldn't even fu**ing give us that!

I know. It would have been awesome.

 

[Spiderine]

What really bothered me most about it was the total waste of Ben Kingsley as a bad ass villain. He sold me in the trailers. So watching him reduced to a joke as a twist was ultra lame to me.

 

[giveyourself12%]

What really bothered me most about it was the total waste of Ben Kingsley as a bad ass villain. He sold me in the trailers. So watching him reduced to a joke as a twist was ultra lame to me.

Exactly.

 

[The Overlord]

I just wanted the guy Trevor Slattery was portraying to have been real villain. He was brilliant and menacing.
.

But the point of The Ben Kinglsey Mandarin, he was an archetype, rather then a character, the way comic book Mandarin is written. He was an manufactured combination of things Westerners fear about Islamic terrorists, rather then a character and really his speeches were menacing, but rather vague, really none of reveal why this version of the Mandarin, they are menacing, but ultimately about nothing. The fortune cookie speech for example, is a nice scary speech, but it doesn't outline any sort of policy or goals a terrorist may have.

Granted I thought Killian was a rather archetypical evil business man, so frankly I wasn't in love with the twist, but I understand why Marvel did it, the Mandarin really has not aged well as a character.

Regardless I don't see the point in making Mandarin the Big bad of Civil War, especially since this supposed to Cap's story, having Mandarin as the main villain detracts from that.

 

[Doc Ock]

Save the Mandarin for another Iron Man or even Dr Strange in some capacity. I think at this point Civil War has other things to focus on. I'd love to see Mandarin again and don't see All Hail the King as a copout like some say, but not for this film.

 

[Uskok]

Maybe he could appear in the after-credits scene, publicly executing Trevor Slattery for stealing his name.

 

[starscream22]

It won't happen. If they were gonna do it they would have done it. It's been discussed to death all the factors why they didn't do an accurate version of the Mandarin so I don't get why people are so convinced that Marvel is gonna change their minds. We had this same thing with people insisting he was going to be a major villain in Age of Ultron.

Says who?

Between RDJ's injuries and deadlines that revolved around that sequel I understand why Marvel went that route. I just don't like it.

I don't get why people are so convinced that Marvel is gonna change their minds.

Because they apparently have. They didn't have to make "All Hail the King" to begin with if they felt the way you do about this situation.

And people dismissing these One Shots as a pittance just sounds meaningless considering how we got Agent Carter's show in the first place.

Try again.

 

[The_Manhunter]

And for everyone saying we need to see the Mandarin because "We know he's out there now" the same could be said for the Leader.

I'm not as into those characters as some are (although I do like them as villains) for either one but I would like resolution with those 2 characters at some point.

 

[Knight_SV]

Mandarin was in prison during the civil war comic act.
Shane black is clueless about the plot that was built from the first ironman movie
If marvel never introduce the real mandarin the ironman will be the only hero whom never get his nemesis introduce properly in the movies.

 

[3dman27]

Maybe he could appear in the after-credits scene, publicly executing Trevor Slattery for stealing his name.

good thought