Mark Millar's Many Thoughts On Superman

[I SEE SPIDEY]

He's characterzation will kill Superman at the movies for years to come.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

LOL if he was looking for some support, he did the wrong move

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I hate Millars view of Superman. He should never be let near a Superman film.

HERE HERE!

IMHO, Spielberg has long since lost his magic when it comes to fantasy films. I think it started with Jurrassic Park for me, a movie, I for the life of me can't understand, why people like so much.

His latest fantasy films:

Jurassic Park: It's good when the dino's are on screen.

The Lost World : Same thing.

Minority Report: Close but no potatos.

War of the Worlds: Decent but the ending is beyond awful.

Indy 4: He wasn't even trying.

To be fair his crappy movies are still better than most directors and (this is really a comentary on how bad things in hollywood are) he still is one of the better directors working.

I've never had an overly high opinion of him anyway.

Er I don't want him for a Superman movie. I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to do it anyway as he has turned down other projects of it's ilk.

I believe it was Alexander Salkind that took him off STM that Donner ended up directing. I'm not sure if he almost did it because he loves the character or if he was still an up and comer.

As for the films he has done, I just watched Jurassic Park last night so have to disagree on that one. Great movie to me. Also some other classics worth mentioning would be Schindlers List, Saving Private Ryan, Munich

 

[SatEL]

He's characterzation will kill Superman at the movies for years to come.

Yes sadly it seems that might be the case, Superman needs his very own Nolan. Dam I have been reading TDK reviews and boy oh boy that film sounds amazing. Its even been compared to the godfather2 and the likes, I get pissed of everytime other Superheroe films get success while the king is left in the shadow like a bastard child.

 

[Retroman]

Good job Retroman!
This is what we needed to understand the words of Millar.
IMO it's clear that the director is the same, and that he was probably refused by the WB.

Nevertheless he is not a good prophet.

Exactly. And i don't think he ever revealed the name of the director either.

 

[stargazer]

if this is the case then he is acting like a child. like a little kid. how old is he? is he like a writter from yesterday? act more inteligent for christ sake.

I'm telling you

Millar = Big Mouth

Is this what you're looking for JcDC?

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This is from Millarworld itself. (Don't have the link now). Mark Millar's views on Supermaan and how would *FIX* him....

On his connection to Batman: "[Superman and Batman are] both orphans. They absolutely understand each other and know that there's nobody else they can count on as much as they other. PS I know Superman isn't an orphan in this dreadful period he's been under seige (from 1986 until Hitchy and I fix him again), but the true understanding of the character is, like Bambi, he loses his Mum and Dad again. All the iconic heroes do whether it's Superman, Bambi or Batman."

On why Bryan Hitch is his ideal Superman collaborator: "Hitchy's even worse than me. Although he looks much older and has trouble sleeping through the night without a piss, Hitchy is only three weeks younger than me. Thus, we grew up on the same Cary Bates Superman comics aged 6-14. Exactly the same comics. We were also 8 years old when we saw Superman and Hitch, like me, can repeat the entire movie line for line. You should hear our daily phone chats. They're a hymn to Superman. Fixing this mess has been our destiny. It'll happen. Not for a while, but it'll happen."

On Clark Kent: "Clark is a pair of glasses. Superman doesn't need glasses. He puts on the glasses for no practical reason; just to dress up and pretend to be this mid-westwern guy he's not as a means of rubbing shoulders with the people on this planet. Superman would have thought he was human until puberty. Until maybe 12. The easiest way to understand it is to think of Jesus in the temple and the moment where his mother has to tell him the truth. He always knew he was different and alone. This is when it was all explained to him. He could still love his parents, but Clark is him trying to understand what humans are all about. As Elliot Maggin puts it, Clark Kent is a living, breathing work of art."

On Lois Lane: "Superman doesn't love Lois. Clark loves Lois and Superman tries HARD to love Lois, but he can't because she's the wrong species. But he tries. Again, Maggin sums it up beautifully. It doesn't have to be complicated... Clark loves Lois, Lois loves Superman, Superman loves Clark [...] Perfect. This is also one of the reasons Superman shouldn't be married to Lois. It's just stupid. It makes no sense and destroys the whole dynamic. Superman is God, Jor-El is the Holy Spirit and Clark Kent is Jesus. The Kents are Mary and Joseph and Lois is Mary Magdelene. She's the NYC girl who's ____ed her way around the city and found nobody who measures up. She's just had it with men and is focusing on her career... then Superman shows up. This is why Margot Kidder was perfect for the role and why Lois should be played by someone around 30 even if Supes is being played by a 25 year old. You'll see what I mean when we fix it."

On the current version of the character: "[Kingdom Come] is close to perfect. Waid gets it. None of the other American writers do, though Loeb comes close. His only weakness is getting caught up in the whole farmboy thing. The farm is where he grew up and knew he was NOTHING LIKE THESE PEOPLE. He affects it for the Clark persona, but that's it. He's as Kryptonian as Jesus is divine. Did Jesus shag Mary Mag? I don't think so. Superman should never shag Lois. It's insane and what happens when artists start touching tyoewriters. Jimmy is the reader-identification figure and the comedy relief. PS I'm saving everything else for the launch. No other ideas from me here, I'm afraid, in case some ____ nicks em."

On mixing metaphors: "No brimstone for Superman. He's interesting enough without it. He sees Earth the way immigrants saw America 100 years ago. He sees a chance for hope and a new life after losing his homeland as a kid. He loves people because he recognizes their great potential and, like Krypton, he wants to encourage them towards the Utopia his father sent him from. Forget Byrne. Read the Bible."

On the previous pitch Millar had made with Grant Morrison, Mark Waid and Tom Peyer: "The pitch we did was very late 90s and all the things I WOULDN'T do if Superman was being revamped now. It was nice, but it was the whole retro 60s thing that Grant's into as opposed to what I'd want to do myself. This thing was pretty good, but would be absolutely wrong for now. It still had Superman married to Lois and all that ____. There was another draft Mark Waid added with Earth getting a mind-wipe to forget that stuff and it had some nice touches, but I'd just start from scratch."

On how close Superman is to humanity: "Humans were apes less than 50 million years ago. Kryptonians are what we'd be like in 20 billion years. I have this all worked out as part of the proposal. In the last two years, I've filled two entire ring-binders with the plan. There's some AMAZING stuff in here. Hitch has also been doing little design doodles for the last five years. It's fate that we met."


This was Millar in an interview from 2004. I found this on newsarama which was originally from MILLARWORLD. It's a wizard interview.

That is it, thanks!

Guys, can you post this at BTs, please? I really want some poeple over there to read Millar's silly ideas on Superman.

he is iMO acting like a 13 yr old comoicbook superman fan.

Millar = Big Mouth

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I posted it over there but I think they saw our discussion and ended up doing the same thing anyways People are scrambling back and forth between BT and here.

 

[stargazer]

I think Singer should have separated from Donner more, but overall gets the character of Superman (cast him well too). His L&C dynamic was off, and he should have went with corporate Lex as that is the preferred interpretation by most fans these days.

Also it is fair to say, by not having a physical villain it certainly created issues with the pacing of the film.

These issues could be resolved in a sequel. He didn't give us a great Superman film, but it was still decent enough to build on imo.

Well, I agree on the bolded parts. But to me SR is a great film.

I'm not really excited about Millar writing a Superman movie especially after reading that.

In an recent interview he even said that Superman's time has passed. Now he wants to make a movie?

Source:http://www.sundayherald.com/arts/arts/display.var.2356200.0.0.php

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Yeah, what's up with this guy. I definitely don't want him anywhere near a Superman movie.

I told you guys, Millar may be passionate in loving Superman but make no mistake... His characterization sounds more polarizing than what Singer delivered.

WORD.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I posted it over there but I think they saw our discussion and ended up doing the same thing anyways People are scrambling back and forth between BT and here.

 

[stargazer]

He's characterzation will kill Superman at the movies for years to come.

Agreed.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

As I said over at BT


The only thing I could see Millar signing at this point is a restraining order from the WB to cease and desist from submitting Superman pitches to them.

 

[stargazer]

I posted it over there but I think they saw our discussion and ended up doing the same thing anyways People are scrambling back and forth between BT and here.

Cool! And thanks.

 

[SatEL]

As I said over at BT


The only thing I could see Millar signing at this point is a restraining order from the WB to cease and desist from submitting Superman pitches to them.

Its a dam shame really because at this point I would take anyone with a decent idea over Singer, I mean really is Superman that hard to get its not excatly equations and science is it.

 

[GreenKToo]

Ugh. I'm not Digging his view of Superman.

 

[Superman-Prime]

2011?? Hell no. Forget it. I'm not going to wait more longer.

Millar and well known action director=

Spoiler

Ratner

Ugh... no.

Also, I don't like the view of Millar's Superman. They need to keep Superman Returns franchise and make the sequel.

 

[turtlefocker]

Ugh. I'm not Digging his view of Superman.

I agree. Lois ****ing her way to the top? What the **** is wrong with this guy?

Superman films should not be cynical in any way that was SR's problem.

Hahaha! Can you imagine how pissed Singer would be? Ratner would be to Singer, the way Kenny Bania is to Seinfeld.

Best post!

 

[nintendo nerd]

Millar is full of it.

He says SR make WB lose 200 million. Yeah, right.

And his vision of Superman is even worse than Singer's. Another writer that his ego don't let him see other options and reality, same with Singer.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

I must be in the minority here, because I think Mark Millar's take on Superman is fascinating. I'd absolutely love to see it.

 

[SuperDaniel]

I actually like his take. I just don`t agree with the Lois thing but that`s fine if they just keep the tension. It`s fun to see it.

I dont understand this hatred for his ideas. It is exactely how Superman have been portrayed for the last 70 years, except Bryne Clark is the desguise, Krypton is an utopia, etc etc.

I just for once didn`t want to see the Kents dying in a Superman movie. Pa Kent doesn`t need to die for him to become Superman. The way it is in Superman for all seasons with the Tornado is perfect.

Plus, anything is better than Super home wrecker, Superman afraid to do the right thing and super son.

 

[Excel]

Remember when Mark Millar bet Harry at AINTITCOOL $5 grand that James Caviezel would be Superman in fall 2004?

How'd that work out?

Remember his scoop that Superman 5 would feature huge alien cities and fighting robots??

Remember when he said w.b. offered him the job but at the last moment it fell through because he was a Marvel guy?

Yeah, this is B.S.

W.B. wont deal with Superman till Superman and Hobbit are done.

 

[Matt]

Millar should just go back to writing Ultimate X-Men. He was good at it, and the book has gone down the crapper without him.

 

[Showtime]

I am hoping that Kevin Millar throws his hat in the ring as a writer for a Superman Script.

 

[Excel]

Man did I hate him in 2004 and 2005...but now when I see that, I miss him

 

[Motown Marvel]

millar is a good writer. i would be pretty excited if i heard he was writing the superman returns sequel. but i have no interest in a re-start. and i dont think this dream of his is gonna happen. or at least, not this time around.

 

[bunk]

I am hoping that Kevin Millar throws his hat in the ring as a writer for a Superman Script.

I can appreciate this reference.