Superman Returns Mark Millar's thoughts on the movie . . .

[Kane]

Ross always seemed like an egotistical prick to me, but Millar is cool. Since I respect him, I don't have any problem with what he says. It's just his opinion people. He did make some valid points too.

Again, I guarantee if most people like this movie and it gets good reviews and buzz when it comes out, Millar will convientely change his tune. Hes a decent writer but Ive noticed when it comes to his public statements, thats usually how it is with him.

 

[Nightwing1977]

I hate Ross when he made that selfish comments about Star Wars: Episode 3 when he said that fans who think it better are lying. It show when he don't agree with people, he would make up crap like that. And it funny how he hated the new suit, when he doesn't have a problem with changing Spidey's costume when he showed the sketch to Wizard if he was to do sketches for Spidey's movie.

 

[KrypJonian]

I hate Ross when he made that selfish comments about Star Wars: Episode 3 when he said that fans who think it better are lying. It show when he don't agree with people, he would make up crap like that. And it funny how he hated the new suit, when he doesn't have a problem with changing Spidey's costume when he showed the sketch to Wizard if he was to do sketches for Spidey's movie.

I agree with you guys that Ross is kind of a jerk, but I think he had a point with Star Wars ep 3. When I read what he said, it kind of jolted me, and I have to say I agree with him.

But not on the subjects of Supes or Spidey

 

[Metropolis_Man]

Don't ge me wrong, Ross does has his opinion and I'm guessing for good reason, but it just seemed that he might've been "snoody" about it. But whos to know, at least he gave his honest opinion instead of just saying he liked it for just being Superman.

 

[Showtime]

Then why is it that everyone that doesn't like Singers vision is a hack or in fans case an idiot ?

The other thread had what ? matt ? and maybe 2 others ?

Well I can't speak for people that use those terms, I am pointing out that it does exist on both sides. There was dissention on each side of the fence when there was a positive and negative review. For some reason theres this contention that people who are negative towards the movie don't get to speak their mind. I see negativity all over the boards, up and down the threads. The difference is that there are more people that are positive towards the movie or aspects of it. I agree that those who are negative are subject to unwarranted attacks just because of their views, but they are there.

 

[BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN]

Well i'm NOT going to bash, or comment on Millars' post about the trailer- i WILL however say that everything that was shown in the trailer doesn't exactly tell you what is REALLY going on too. I'm starting to think that MAYBE..just maybe- the little boy ISN'T Lois' biological son. He could be her close friend's son that passed, and she in turn promised to care for him. Who knows? The trailer is only giving us a sneak peek, but i know how we all like to put 1 and 2 together to get 3. In short, i'm going to see this movie REGARDLESS- if Superman never put hands on ANYBODY, the lack of super-villans, or whatever other reason nay-sayers are saying. I think this will be a good movie, and like someone else posted: "It's really about RE-ESTABLISHING Superman the character" to a new generation of fans.

 

[Milkman95]

Exactly.

SR, just like BB, is re-establishing and re-introducing the character back to movie audiences. The direction they went in, at least in my opinion, was the only way they could have gone.

You'll get your more corny, sensational villains in sequels. I think it's a good move to save your best villains for later films, which is also what the Batman franchise is doing as well.............

As far as Millar is concerned, he should stick to comics, where budgets, actors, and real life situations don't exist......

 

[Hunter Rider]

Well I can't speak for people that use those terms, I am pointing out that it does exist on both sides. There was dissention on each side of the fence when there was a positive and negative review. For some reason theres this contention that people who are negative towards the movie don't get to speak their mind. I see negativity all over the boards, up and down the threads. The difference is that there are more people that are positive towards the movie or aspects of it. I agree that those who are negative are subject to unwarranted attacks just because of their views, but they are there.

I agree that there is two sides but in a lot of threads in this section everytime someone posts a concern he gets 10 replies with flippant dismissal of that opinion and it seems to be getting worse

 

[C. Lee]

I agree that there is two sides but in a lot of threads in this section everytime someone posts a concern he gets 10 replies with flippant dismissal of that opinion and it seems to be getting worse

Hence my request for people to be more civil to each other in their replies.

People are allowed to disagree with other's opinions....they just don't have to be so mean when they do it.

 

[Showtime]

I agree that there is two sides but in a lot of threads in this section everytime someone posts a concern he gets 10 replies with flippant dismissal of that opinion and it seems to be getting worse

Absolutely, because the posters who are positive about this movie outnumber the people who are negative. In some instances, it is because those who have some negative thoughts about the movie have thought it was better to just sneak away, than get bombarded.

The problem is that some of the posters haven't learned to have fun and accept the differing opinions. Some posters take the negativity personally, some think they can brainwash those who don't like the movie, and others just like to fight.

Another issue is that some of the posters like alot of what they see from Returns and have one negative thought or two and can't express it. It is quite depressing to see instances like these.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Again, I guarantee if most people like this movie and it gets good reviews and buzz when it comes out, Millar will convientely change his tune. Hes a decent writer but Ive noticed when it comes to his public statements, thats usually how it is with him.

How is it "Changing his tune" when he said he hopes he's wrong?

 

[Chris Wallace]

Absolutely, because the posters who are positive about this movie outnumber the people who are negative. In some instances, it is because those who have some negative thoughts about the movie have thought it was better to just sneak away, than get bombarded.

The problem is that some of the posters haven't learned to have fun and accept the differing opinions. Some posters take the negativity personally, some think they can brainwash those who don't like the movie, and others just like to fight.

Another issue is that some of the posters like alot of what they see from Returns and have one negative thought or two and can't express it. It is quite depressing to see instances like these.

I really, REALLY HATE to say this, but that is typical of what I come across, particularly on boards devoted to DC movies. Yes, it happens on Marvel boards too, but almost every time I have gotten seriously flamed it's been on a DC-related topic. Why is that? Why be so defensive & intolerant of other points of view. I don't think any of Millar's remarks are anything to get so bent out of shape about. I, too, have dim hopes for this movie & if I'm proven wrong I will gleefully say so. But allow me to think what I think.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I hate Ross when he made that selfish comments about Star Wars: Episode 3 when he said that fans who think it better are lying. It show when he don't agree with people, he would make up crap like that. And it funny how he hated the new suit, when he doesn't have a problem with changing Spidey's costume when he showed the sketch to Wizard if he was to do sketches for Spidey's movie.

My main problem w/the things he said was that he stated his opinion as fact.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Absolutely, because the posters who are positive about this movie outnumber the people who are negative. In some instances, it is because those who have some negative thoughts about the movie have thought it was better to just sneak away, than get bombarded.

The problem is that some of the posters haven't learned to have fun and accept the differing opinions. Some posters take the negativity personally, some think they can brainwash those who don't like the movie, and others just like to fight.

Another issue is that some of the posters like alot of what they see from Returns and have one negative thought or two and can't express it. It is quite depressing to see instances like these.

I agree with this My friend,it's a case of forcing views and the numbers are quite uneven so it feels like an uphill battle to allow for all sides as sadly there is strength in numbers

Hence my request for people to be more civil to each other in their replies.

People are allowed to disagree with other's opinions....they just don't have to be so mean when they do it.

What hapoened to the thread ? i searched for it to bump but i can't find it,i thought we were getting somewhere in there with a view to accepting that opinions will differ and that it's fine

 

[Kane]

I agree with this My friend,it's a case of forcing views and the numbers are quite uneven so it feels like an uphill battle to allow for all sides as sadly there is strength in numbers

This is a Superman Returns fan forum so obviously the positive will outweigh the negative...or in other words; Desk and Matt.

Most people dont see the logic in coming here to trash a movie on a regular basis if they arent fans of the project.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Visit The Hulk, Fantastic Four, Or Even The Spider-Man Boards Sometime.

 

[Hunter Rider]

This is a Superman Returns fan forum so obviously the positive will outweigh the negative...or in other words; Desk and Matt.

Most people dont see the logic in coming here to trash a movie on a regular basis if they arent fans of the project.

Hardly,go to Spiderman and F4 and Hulk sections and see how those boards are split
plus even if the positive do outweigh the negative does that mean they have to act like their opnion is more valid and constantly go after anyone with a negative view ?

 

[Showtime]

I have to admit, it seemed that Hunter was somehow championing the negative opinions on the boards. Obviously I knew Hunter had more noble motives than that, and the bottom line is he is trying to bridge the gap. We should be able to achieve equality, whether our opinions are negative towards the movie or positive.

Think about it this way, what if the movie bombs or what if those who have championed this movie the entire time actually dislike the movie after they see it? What then? These posters who had a negative opinion about the movie will remember who you are and how you treated them. Granted I believe people should keep an open mind towards the movie but at the same time an open mind should be kept towards others opinions.

All in all we are all fans of Superman, Comics, or Movies. We can co-exist.

 

[Kane]

Hardly,go to Spiderman and F4 and Hulk sections and see how those boards are split
plus even if the positive do outweigh the negative does that mean they have to act like their opnion is more valid and constantly go after anyone with a negative view ?

Its the fact that those movies have already came out and have been seen. It someone has a negative opinion (despite not having seen the movie), they tend to only make a few posts above it and leave.

Why would they troll a forum everyday for a project they arent a fan of? Thats really stupid. Most people have the common sense to avoid doing that. Its usually the ones who do this that get insulted, mainly because they represent themselves poorly by doing this and thus their opinions arent taken seriously.

Some people have been very good and respectful in expression feared negativity about the unseen film, and their opinions are actually acknowlegded in a respectful manner.......... that just isnt the case for certain posters.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Its the fact that those movies have already came out and have been seen. It someone has a negative opinion (despite not having seen the movie), they tend to only make a few posts above it and leave.

Why would they troll a forum everyday for a project they arent a fan of? Thats really stupid. Most people have the common sense to avoid doing that. Its usually the ones who do this that get insulted, mainly because they represent themselves poorly by doing this and thus their opinions arent taken seriously.

Some people have been very good and respectful in expression feared negativity about the unseen film, and their opinions are actually acknowlegded in a respectful manner.......... that just isnt the case for certain posters.

If you were here in the months leading up to F4 or indeed Spiderman you would know that the arguments and split sides were far greater than they are here,it isnt just movies that have been released that have lots of negative posters
On a messageboard about projects such as these you will always have two groups,those that hate the direction and those that love it with a few in the middle
Matt is the guy everyone seems to go after b/c he is unhappy with the movie's direction,his posts are direct and with substance,i don't see why eveyone gets at him,he's as negative as Venom is positive but i don't see anyone tearing at Venom
Messageboards are for views and that includes those that wish to vent their displeasure,as long as it isn't at a poster i see no reason why that is an issue

 

[Kane]

Matt is the guy everyone seems to go after b/c he is unhappy with the movie's direction,his posts are direct and with substance,i don't see why eveyone gets at him,he's as negative as Venom is positive but i don't see anyone tearing at Venom
Messageboards are for views and that includes those that wish to vent their displeasure,as long as it isn't at a poster i see no reason why that is an issue

Matt actually stated once that he comes here to start arguements about the film...... I duno, it just raises the whole 'why bother?' question.

I, personally, am not a fan of Fantastic 4. Thought it was an awful movie after I saw it. I think I only made one post in that forum, expressed my opinion and never returned again....never felt the need to, I wasnt a fan of the project. Seems like a logical thing to do.

As far as the postive far outweighing the negative (as opposed to other movie boards) thats actually a good sign.....but I think at the same time, it encourages the few haters to post more frequently...trying to yell louder so people would hear them.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Hardly,go to Spiderman and F4 and Hulk sections and see how those boards are split
plus even if the positive do outweigh the negative does that mean they have to act like their opnion is more valid and constantly go after anyone with a negative view ?

Did you read my post before you said that or is it just a freakish coincidence?

 

[Hunter Rider]

Matt actually stated once that he comes here to start arguements about the film...... I duno, it just raises the whole 'why bother?' question.

I, personally, am not a fan of Fantastic 4. Thought it was an awful movie after I saw it. I think I only made one post in that forum, expressed my opinion and never returned again....never felt the need to, I wasnt a fan of the project. Seems like a logical thing to do.

I guess it's a question of whether you are a lifelong fan of the character or not,with Matt and some others they are so they wish to vent about what they see as a bad representation of their favourite character on a forum,they post all over the hype and just drop into threads to throw their counterpoint into the mix on the SR section,it's like that on all sections

 

[Hunter Rider]

Did you read my post before you said that or is it just a freakish coincidence?

It was the only answer there was,so coincidence

 

[Chris Wallace]

If you were here in the months leading up to F4 or indeed Spiderman you would know that the arguments and split sides were far greater than they are here,it isnt just movies that have been released that have lots of negative posters
On a messageboard about projects such as these you will always have two groups,those that hate the direction and those that love it with a few in the middle
Matt is the guy everyone seems to go after b/c he is unhappy with the movie's direction,his posts are direct and with substance,i don't see why eveyone gets at him,he's as negative as Venom is positive but i don't see anyone tearing at Venom
Messageboards are for views and that includes those that wish to vent their displeasure,as long as it isn't at a poster i see no reason why that is an issue

I think I'm somewhere in the middle; I'm not thrilled w/the direction Singer seems to be going but I allow for the posssibility that I might be proven wrong. More & more lately, I want to be proven wrong. I want the movie to be good despite the costume, despite the baby & despite the apparent ties-and definite ties-to Donner's films.