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Marvel Canceling the Fantastic Four Comic Book?

The original deal made in 1993 didn't give Fox live action X-Men TV rights, just the theatrical movie ones. So if Fox are indeed able to do a TV show without any consent or co-production from Marvel then this is something that has come after the original deal, and after the Mutant X lawsuit settlement in 2003.

What exactly constitutes co-production anyways? If I remember correctly, Mutant X didn't feature any X-men characters cause Fox owned them. It was the use of the word Mutant that brought the lawsuit.

Fox may not need consent outside of agreeing to pay them some of the profits from any deals. Kind of like how Universal got paid for Hulk as distributor but it was Marvel's movie in every other way.
 
What exactly constitutes co-production anyways? If I remember correctly, Mutant X didn't feature any X-men characters cause Fox owned them. It was the use of the word Mutant that brought the lawsuit.

A co production would simply be them co-operating with each other to make the thing. Input, expenses & returns shared in an agreed proportion.

And Fox sued over Mutant X for more than just the term: The premise of the show was too similar to X-Men too, and the advertising/promotion for it did suggest a link to the X-Men that didn't exist. That's why Fox got the suits involved.

That case's settlement was confidential but one thing we have observed since is Marvel completely avoid using the the term 'Mutant' in their own MCU.

Fox may not need consent outside of agreeing to pay them some of the profits from any deals. Kind of like how Universal got paid for Hulk as distributor but it was Marvel's movie in every other way.
You have it the wrong way round. If the t&c's revealed by the lawsuit are still in place then Fox don't have live action TV Rights, Marvel do. It's Marvel who would need to get consent from Fox to make one (not at all likely), not the other way around.

That's if those conditions have not changed. A lot does go on we don't hear about until after the fact.
 
In case people didn't notice, Disney now has the rights to the original Star Wars trilogy. I'm guessing a deal was made. Fox still has the DVD sales for FF:EGH to trade.
 
If Disney got the rights to Episode IV in exchange for an X-Men show they were never going to make anyway, Disney made out extremely well.
 
What's ffegh?

"Fantastic Four - Earth's Greatest Heroes", the last animated show (trying badly to ape the anime style) that came out after FF1.

Not sure what hold Fox have over it it as it was made by Marvel (Marvel went on to use the FF in 'Avengers EMH' later on too so they have kept the animation rights for them at least) so I wouldn't think any distribution rights for that canned show (if they still have it) would not be worth much in any event.
 
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I liked that cartoon FAR BETTER than either of the 2 movies....
 
well hoping this will be reversed sooner rather than later but not getting my hopes up.
 
If Fox does trade back the rights, I'm sure Marvel will reintroduce the Fantastic Four, using the new #1 issue as an excuse for a big marketing push.
 
If Fox does trade back the rights, I'm sure Marvel will reintroduce the Fantastic Four, using the new #1 issue as an excuse for a big marketing push.

I hope. Not that enthusiastic about the lineup come October.
 
The rumor going around some time ago was that the "lockout" would last through the promotional window for Fant4stic, possibly including the home release window. Hopefully we'll get a good Fantastic Four comic and some merch next year. Doom Funko mug, please. The new Funko Home line has potential:

Hulk-Funko-Mug.jpg
 
When will get the comic back?

Cancelled as a personal reaction by Marvel CEO and Disney’s largest single shareholder, Isaac Perlmutter, to strained relations between Marvel and Fox over the licensed film rights to their characters, held as long at they keep making TV shows and/or movies featuring them, it was just one of a number of actions by Marvel Comics to get themselves out of the Fantastic Four business. Posters, posters, toys, statues, T-shirts, T-shirts, trading cards, foreign licensed comics, each were systematically withdrawn, and the Fantastic Four were removed from promotional materials for the publisher as a whole, even as it celebrated its 75th Anniversary since the publication of a comic that featured an earlier version of the Human Torch. I was told by Marvel staffers that Isaac had demanded that posters featuring the family superhero team be pulled down from the offices so that he wouldn’t have to see them as he walked through. I am aware that Marvel staffers who would never normally talk to me, chose to leak this story in an attempt that negative publicity might reverse the decision. This did not happen.


And while not even Isaac would do similar to the much better selling X-Men, though licenses would also be withdrawn, Fantastic Four was an allowable sacrifice to make a point. Isaac loves making points. It certainly outsold the Inhumans comic – but Marvel Studios has a vested interest in keeping them going, with TV shows and films featuring them, and pushing the royal family of powered-up misfits to fulfil the role in the Marvel Universe of the X-Men. With random people discovering they are powered members of an outcast society that looks after its own, but faces prejudice from a world that seeks to control, or eliminate, them.


As we initially reported however, Marvel were allowed to use the characters in other comics, and they have been spread out between Guardians Of The Galaxy,

Inhumans and Secret Wars, and they were allowed to delay and find a story reason to cancel the series, able to (almost) stretch it out until the Secret Wars series which saw lots of series cancelled and relaunched. Hiding the executive decision amongst a creative process, enabled Marvel to give easy pat answers to fan concerns as to why they weren’t publishing a Fantastic Four comic during the big promotional hype of the movie. It is worth pointing out that at the time of the original Bleeding Cool report, the quality of the movie wasn’t known at all…


We also stated that we were told that the comic wouldn’t return until at least the promotional period for the DVD/Blu-Ray release was up. And it was possible that a movie sequel would continue the publication pause for years.


Well, with that sequel now rumoured to being switched out for a Deadpool sequel, to a film which is tracking insanely high numbers right now, it could be that we will actually get a comic returning after the disc is on sale. Estimates for that are November – could we get a new series that soon, or have to wait for December or into the New Year?


If so, that will give Marvel the excuse that the Fantastic Four was only cancelled for the Secret Wars event, and that it returned just like a number of other comics, if a little later than some.


But that is not the reason, And one day you’ll hear a Marvel ex-staffer go on the record about it. Just not now.
 
I think the Fantastic Four will return sometime next year. Hickman's plan for Reed and Doom in his leadup to and thru the conclusion of Secret Wars takes precedence over everything and has been in some sort of planning stages since he started his Avengers run.

I would also bet that had Fraction's run on both Fantastic Four and FF were successful, he would have continued on both series until it was time to shut them down to start up Secret Wars. Robinson's run was probably always meant to be temporary to fill in the gap between the end of Fraction's failed run and Hickman's plans for Secret Wars.

Now I don't doubt that there is definite truth to the "no fantastic four products or advertising" edict from Perlmutter - I just don't think the comic was canceled because of that.
 
Yeah, I still don't get why Marvel would have them in the spotlight for their Summer event that sells a ****load more issues then the F4 did if this was still as big of an issue with the comics. It's promoting the characters more then a F4 book ever would.

There's zero logic here.
 
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Albert Ching said:
Before we get to fan questions, the big entertainment news of the past week has been the "Fantastic Four" movie -- obviously that's a 20th Century Fox production Marvel didn't have direct involvement in -- emerging as a critical and financial disappointment upon release. I'm curious as to how this might affect the way the Fantastic Four are viewed internally at Marvel. I imagine there are three outcomes: This will make Marvel less likely to unveil a new "Fantastic Four" series, due to the notion it's a tainted property; it'll make Marvel more likely, because they want to prove to the world it's a viable concept and how to do it; or not affected at all, and that plans will just continue the way they were.

Alonso:
Not affected at all. We have our plan. Whether the movie was a hit or a failure was irrelevant to us. We've got great stories to tell in the coming year, and "Secret Wars" sets the stage for them.



The FANTASTIC FOUR Can't Catch A Break
This November, the Baxter Building becomes Parker Industries.
 
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I can't believe people give these petty temper tantrums from Marvel a pass.
 
I can't believe people give these petty temper tantrums from Marvel a pass.

There's nothing petty about Marvel's actions. Distancing themselves from the FFINO dumpster fire and putting their licensing efforts into franchises that bring in the highest return for the company is just good business.
 
There's nothing petty about Marvel's actions. Distancing themselves from the FFINO dumpster fire and putting their licensing efforts into franchises that bring in the highest return for the company is just good business.

Tom Brevoort:
If you had two things, and on one you earned 100% of the revenues from the efforts that you put into making it, and the other you earned a much smaller percentage for the same amount of time and effort, you’d be more likely to concentrate more heavily on the first, wouldn’t you?”
 
Yep, sad the lack of respect it is receiving at Fox.
 
Eh, I mean look at all the changes in the new Marvel Universe. It's not like traditional Fantastic Four really belongs there.
 

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