Marvel Purposely Sabotaging X-Men Because Of FOX??

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Rob Liefeld said on Word Balloon a few shocking things regarding X-Men makes sense.

Notice how there was no toys for X-Men First Class as Marvel owns the toy rights.
Notice no X-Men tie-in comic books.
Was there even a video game?
Notice how there are less mutants in the comics (Liefeld said Marvel doesn't want to create new properties for FOX to exploit.) That's why "No More Mutants" happened.
Over push of The Avengers is because Marvel OWNS that properties.
Comic Book wise he mentioned how the X-Men are hardly involved in many of the major Marvel events anymore.
He says Marvel treats the X-Men like a "Licensed property"

Marvel focusing heavy on merchandise and not owning X-Men showed how the lack of promotion now makes sense.

Heck it even makes sense how Daredevil, Fantastic Four & Elektra are actually NON-Factors in the Marvel Comics world.


SONY and Marvel are on better terms, thus why they push alot of Spidey toys, games,etc.

http://wordballoon.blogspot.com/2011/11/rob-liefeld-speaks-out-and-rucka.html
 
Doesn't suprise me. Fox has enjoyed raping so much of Marvel's properties for so long. If I were Marvel I'd have been pissed at them too. Isn't this one of the major reasons why Marvel wanted to control making their movies in the first place?

I'm more suprised that they aren't ticked at Sony as well.
 
Rob Liefeld....? Really? Who the hell even talks to this guy anymore....?

A bunch of tinfoil hat conspiracy hooey. Marvel are *not* sabotaging one of their most popular licenses. Ever.

Does Liefeld (and other "Marvel vs. Fox" conspiracy loonies) not realize that every time Fox makes money on an X-Men flick, so does Marvel....?
 
X-Force is still damn good book.
 
Marvel has many supporters, Fox studios ...not many, but the question is why Fox cannot make movie merchandise, after all Sony never had this problem, plus a part of profit goes back to Marvel, so why would they do such a thing ?
 
Marvel has many supporters, Fox studios ...not many, but the question is why Fox cannot make movie merchandise, after all Sony never had this problem, plus a part of profit goes back to Marvel, so why would they do such a thing ?

Like Rob said Marvel & SONY have a good relationship. Notice how Marvel always drops a new Spider-Man video game every year. When was the last X-Men video game??

Marvel owns the X-men merchandise, so why help FOX, who they hate. Now that Marvel has the merchandise for Spider-Man they will make millions. (notice we haven't heard ANYTHING about Ghost Rider toys.)

House of M began in 2005 where Marvel stopped making new mutants,however since then there have been tons of Avengers related proprieties.

Marvel brung Steve Rogers back to life when Avengers were green-lit. But isn't it weird that all the mutants in X-Men First Class most have NO presence in the current Marvel Universe.

No not to be a conspiracy theories look at character NOT owned by Disney and their status in the Marvel Universe. Weird how after Luke Cage got back to Marvel he became a MAJOR part of the Marvel Universe.

Daredevil a FOX property (has been replaced by Iron Fist & Black Panther in his own book.)

And like Liefeld said there has been NO new X-Villains in YEARS. All there threats are REVIVED characters. Major mutants are killed for like forever and when they need new mutants they revive an old mutants.

I'm not even gonna get into the Wolverine family conspiracy.
 
Hmmmm.... I find myself struggling to care about any opinion Liefeld might have.

Has he learned to draw feet and characters with humanoid proportions yet?

If not for revenue from the Xmen franchise there would be no Marvel Studios, no IM, no Thor, no Cap and no fukin Avengers. So, NO, I don't believe Marvel is sabotaging a major revenue stream. BUT it would be fukin kewl if they did have the foresight to do that ;)
 
I don't know if Marvel is actively sabotaging X-Men and other Marvel properties that FOX owns, but I doubt they want to help FOX, either. Now that Marvel is part of the Disney conglomerate, FOX is now a rival instead of a partner, and hounding the movie rights like they're doing is probably not being received well over at Disney, who wanted to get back all the rights eventually.
 
i hate Liefeld, but he STAYS getting work from MARVEL.

Him saying this wont give him any advantage, so if he has an inside scoop then i believe him.
 
Nothing about his argument makes sense if you actually look at it and analyze it.

Wolverine movie also got tons of toys.

Also not all movies get direct videogame tie-ins.

Also the House of M thing happened years before First Class so how do you even equate that to now?

Is Liefield just pissed off that there's no Deadpool movie in active production/
 
Pfft, he's just still pissy that Shatterstar and Rictor came out. :o
 
Rob Liefeld. Is that the guy that drew that one Captain America picture, where Cap looks like he has breast implants and no penis?
 
Notice how there was no toys for X-Men First Class as Marvel owns the toy rights.

What toys were there to make of an origin film that primarily doesn't even have them in costumes? "Xavier in sportcoat, with chess playing action"?

Notice no X-Men tie-in comic books.

Word is that they're currently developing one, based off of the movie's team lineup.

Was there even a video game?

When was the last amazingly well sold movie tie-in game for any character? It's a good thing, not a blight. Most movie games are freaking terrible.

Notice how there are less mutants in the comics (Liefeld said Marvel doesn't want to create new properties for FOX to exploit.) That's why "No More Mutants" happened.

No, No More Mutants happened because House of M never properly ended. This was literally years in the making because it was a big elephant in the room that they always seemed to struggle to address.

Over push of The Avengers is because Marvel OWNS that properties.

How is one trailer and a few posters an "over push"? What, because of the after credit scenes and all of that? It's to establish a continuity between films, not just to scream out "Avengers! Ahhhh!" like everyone on the internet seems to mistakenly believe.

Comic Book wise he mentioned how the X-Men are hardly involved in many of the major Marvel events anymore.

Because they have their own events. That's not really downsizing their prescence in the MU, that's actually giving them kind of a boost in comparison to the other properties.

He says Marvel treats the X-Men like a "Licensed property"

I'm sure that's why X-Men Destiny was just released.

Because of the, y'know. "Evil licensing".

Marvel focusing heavy on merchandise and not owning X-Men showed how the lack of promotion now makes sense.

Well, they didn't really need to. The movie still made a pretty good amount of money based off of Fox's promotion alone. It's generally a movie studio's job to promote their movie, not a practically unrelated subsidiary company that owns the property through another medium.

Heck it even makes sense how Daredevil, Fantastic Four & Elektra are actually NON-Factors in the Marvel Comics world.

.....

Uh... not the case at all.

Daredevil's currently one of the top selling books at Marvel. Fantastic Four has a critically acclaimed new series. Elektra was recently in an arc of Punishermax.

SONY and Marvel are on better terms, thus why they push alot of Spidey toys, games,etc.

No, they push alot of Spider-Man product because Spider-Man sells. People have loved that character practically since his inception. It's the same damn thing with DC putting out more Batman shows or games or product, because it's proven to be what is popular with the general public. It's not some weird ass form of favoritism, it's just what the people want out of Marvel.

It has nothing to do with X-Men whatsoever. :huh:

Like Rob said Marvel & SONY have a good relationship. Notice how Marvel always drops a new Spider-Man video game every year. When was the last X-Men video game??

....

THIS YEAR.

Marvel owns the X-men merchandise, so why help FOX, who they hate. Now that Marvel has the merchandise for Spider-Man they will make millions. (notice we haven't heard ANYTHING about Ghost Rider toys.)

Sony owns Ghost Rider, not Fox.

So your argument already just fell apart. Spectacularly.

House of M began in 2005 where Marvel stopped making new mutants,however since then there have been tons of Avengers related proprieties.

And tons of X-Men related properties aswell. Do you even know how many X-Men books are currently being published, or how many different teams there are? Or did you just choose to ignore all of that for the sake of argument?

Marvel brung Steve Rogers back to life when Avengers were green-lit. But isn't it weird that all the mutants in X-Men First Class most have NO presence in the current Marvel Universe.

Most of the mutants in X-Men First Class have never had a presence to begin with. That's why people were up-in-arms when it was announced that the mainstays, like Scott and Jean, weren't going to be on the team.

No not to be a conspiracy theories look at character NOT owned by Disney and their status in the Marvel Universe. Weird how after Luke Cage got back to Marvel he became a MAJOR part of the Marvel Universe.

....

He's been on the New Avengers practically since there was a New Avengers. His status hasn't changed whatsoever.

Daredevil a FOX property (has been replaced by Iron Fist & Black Panther in his own book.)

Wait, what the ****?

Did you even read the arc where Iron Fist was posing as Daredevil? Or read the circumstances behind Black Panther protecting Hell's Kitchen? Matt was still heavily the focus of both. He even had his own miniseries devoted towards his return. And now he's back with his own title, and Black Panther's was literally just cancelled.

Whatever you're implying (or whatever Liefeld was implying) makes no sense.

And like Liefeld said there has been NO new X-Villains in YEARS. All there threats are REVIVED characters. Major mutants are killed for like forever and when they need new mutants they revive an old mutants.

Rarely are there any new characters that tend to stick in any comic, not just the X-Men. Why create Hush when you can bring in The Joker? Why create Anti-Venom when you've got Green Goblin? It's mostly up to a writer's mandate, not editorial.

Besides, weren't there new villains just introduced in Schism?

That, y'know. Big X-Men event?

I'm not even gonna get into the Wolverine family conspiracy.

If it's half as thought out as any of Liefeld's other theories, well... thank freaking christ.
 
hey if I'm wrong I can admit it, but it kind of does make a little sense. Why create new characters that you never will be able to you for TV or film.
 
They did create new characters. Generation Hope.

I would much rather they didn't. :o
 
I don't think Marvel is sabatoging FOX at all. The X-Men are still one of Marvel's top selling comics. They've had how many cartoons now? Three, maybe four (counting the new Anime).

Marvel has said they're proud of the X-Men movies and they'be basically been so busy with their own movies, they've hardly been involved with their co-productions.

Remember, Marvel was heavily involved in the X-Men Trilogy and the Spider-Man Trilogy.

Around 2007, they began to focus on their own properties with Iron Man. Since then, Marvel hasn't been as involved in the other movies (First Class, The Amazing Spider-Man and GR 2).
 
Rob is a ****** artist, but I don't think that makes him crazy. A lot of stuff I've read from him (mainly about FOX owned Marvel properties) has been fairly spot on. This is all about the bottom line. Since the X-Men is a premier superhero team, in both the comics and film, they detract from the Avengers. Marvel wants to downplay anything having to do with X-Men so that FOX, now one of their top competitors in the comic book movie game, doesn't have any added advantages. Marvel Studios is betting the entire house that Avengers will be a huge success, and the comics tie directly into marketing for the film.

So far Marvel Studios has not let anything compromise their vision for feature films, just ask Terrance Howard and Ed Norton. You better believe they're giving FOX, and by proxy X-Men, the cold shoulder to further insure their success with Avengers.

And let's be honest, FOX deserves it.
 
I think anyone who doesn't think Marvel wants it's other big properties back badly is fooling themselves. Would they go so far as to somewhat sabotage sales with Fox? Sure. They would. Entertainment is about money. I think if another FF film is released it'll be the same way...Marvel will keep away from it and bide it's time till Fox gives up.
 
I think anyone who doesn't think Marvel wants it's other big properties back badly is fooling themselves. Would they go so far as to somewhat sabotage sales with Fox? Sure. They would. Entertainment is about money. I think if another FF film is released it'll be the same way...Marvel will keep away from it and bide it's time till Fox gives up.


Yes, entertainment is about money. And Marvel makes money off movies that they've outsourced to Sony and Fox. And with the Spidey and X-Men franchises, they've made *damn* good money off Sony and Fox....moreso than any Marvel Studios property that doesn't star RDJ.

I can see Marvel maybe wanting to "reclaim" the FF from a horrendous film franchise that's best forgotten; and maybe DD, Elektra and Ghost Rider; but why would they want to take away Spidey and the X-Men, which have been phenomenally successful in the hands of Sony and Fox?
 
To Fox's credit, they made a damn fine movie in X-Men First Class. Also, Liefeld is a hack artist that has as much fan base as LeBron James in Cleveland.
 
Marvel/Disney don't care about Fox. They make money off the properties they sold to other studios regardless. Its not like Avengers and X-Men movie are opening the same day or anything.

If Marvel/Disney are focusing on Avengers its because thats the franchise they have control over. Marvel has little creative control on the X-Men movies so they can't influence it that too much.
 
Marvel should never have signed over "all" the mutant characters; that's just ridiculous. They should have started with a small, fixed list of primary characters, then struck up a new licensing agreement for any new characters brought in. Having literally hundreds of characters "on lockdown" for film appearances which may never happen is just rather shortsighted.
 

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