Born Again Marvel Studios’ Daredevil: Born Again General Discussion Thread

[Pennywise]

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

 

[Pennywise]

The show will not be 18 episodes as first announced or that of a typical broadcast network season but will be more in line with the original Netflix series model of lower episode counts.

 

[DyeLorean]

I can't help but wonder... wouldn't have been much easier and cheaper and faster to just do a fourth Daredevil season with the same creative team, but with maybe more budget? That show was better than 90% of the Disney+ crap they've been doing for years now.
They're too much up their own a** to see things clearly, I think.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

I can't help but wonder... wouldn't have been much easier and cheaper and faster to just do a fourth Daredevil season with the same creative team, but with maybe more budget? That show was better than 90% of the Disney+ crap they've been doing for years now.
They're too much up their own a** to see things clearly, I think.

I keep coming back to nature, when a new male takes over the pride he kills all the cubs so the females will mate with him. In this case so we have no alternative but to watch the new Daredevil. It took a disasters 2023 to have the MCU brain trust think maybe we better go back or we will be the old lion forced out by a new young lion king coming in from the wilderness.

 

[Matt.S99]

Since it’s inevitable, what cameos/guest appearances are you hoping to see in this shows?

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Since it’s inevitable, what cameos/guest appearances are you hoping to see in this shows?

Beyond anyone from the Defenders run since they linked to it on their Freeform corner of Marvel Cloak & Dagger. From Netflix, Hellcat getting released from The Raft, maybe the same way Fisk got released during the Blip.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The entire handling of the situation with the Defenders characters has baffled me. From the vague "are they the same or not" wishy washy handling to having to reset the show. What was Marvel thinking? I have been baffled from day 1. When you decided to use Charlie Cox and such again, you needed to just establish they were the same. This vagueness about them maybe being similar but variants was stupid at conception. Cause sure, internet needs like us may be able to make thay distinction. But your average viewer who hasn't been on a Save Daredevil campaign for several years will just see "Oh, it's the guy from that show I liked" and that will be who they think of. They won't be thinking of variants and all this complicated gobbilty good. If it was a different Daredevil, it needed to be a new actor.

Then the show itself was making baffling choice after baffling choice. At least sanity has returned, and we got creative who worked on this stuff before behind the wheel, Foggy and Karen are back allegedly, and it seems like now we're on a better path than we were before.

I am excited about the show again. But I don't know what Feige was doing here, and in general he's made a lot of bad choices recently. If he's overwhelmed, then he needs to delegate to someone he trusts. Cause if stuff like this is happening frequently, that tells me oversight has been garbage. The other pitch should never have been greenlighted in the first place.

 

[Filmfreak]

The more time passes the more I am convinced that Feige became extremely cocky to the point where he thought not only that he can do anything on his own, but that the brand sells itself. That he could make a project about any character, that he didn't need a coherent plan or that he could throw any fanservicey gimmick into the mix and audience and critics will still rave about each project. Minimum effort, maximum result. I think reality has finally hit him now.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

The entire handling of the situation with the Defenders characters has baffled me. From the vague "are they the same or not" wishy washy handling to having to reset the show. What was Marvel thinking? I have been baffled from day 1. When you decided to use Charlie Cox and such again, you needed to just establish they were the same. This vagueness about them maybe being similar but variants was stupid at conception. Cause sure, internet needs like us may be able to make thay distinction. But your average viewer who hasn't been on a Save Daredevil campaign for several years will just see "Oh, it's the guy from that show I liked" and that will be who they think of. They won't be thinking of variants and all this complicated gobbilty good. If it was a different Daredevil, it needed to be a new actor.

Then the show itself was making baffling choice after baffling choice. At least sanity has returned, and we got creative who worked on this stuff before behind the wheel, Foggy and Karen are back allegedly, and it seems like now we're on a better path than we were before.

I am excited about the show again. But I don't know what Feige was doing here, and in general he's made a lot of bad choices recently. If he's overwhelmed, then he needs to delegate to someone he trusts. Cause if stuff like this is happening frequently, that tells me oversight has been garbage. The other pitch should never have been greenlighted in the first place.

They were thinking its not mine and I won't be bound by it.

Then came a bad year and in "fixing" Echo and Daredevil Born Again the selling point was the good will of Netflix's Daredevil and going into the last weekend before Echo the Netflix established canon was suddenly more important than a Feige joint and folks are wondering if he got lucky with RDJ, Whedon, Favreau and the Russo brothers.

 

[Venom 1988]

But I don't know what Feige was doing here, and in general he's made a lot of bad choices recently. If he's overwhelmed, then he needs to delegate to someone he trusts.

Could be wrong but I think that's happening now. Since the strikes have ended, it seems Brad Winderbaum has had a stronger presence on the media circuit for the shows (only 2 but still). Despite being head of TV and streaming for the last few years, it seems he was barely involved in any promotion for most of the shows.

This is going into tin hat terriorty now so forgive me lol but part of me wonders if he wasn't getting full or final say on the TV side, despite his position. The only shows it seemed he really got to be out there promoting was just the animated stuff and maybe that's because they weren't priority for Feige in the grand scheme of things. Now in the last month he's given more interviews for Echo than every other show he's produced combined (he's been in charge since What If season 1).

Not to mention he's the one who definitively put it out there that the Netflix shows were canon. Obviously part of it was to build more hype for Echo and drive people to see it. But had this been a year ago, I still feel we would have gotten a vague answer on that, even if they were desperate for viewership.

 

[DyeLorean]

But I don't know what Feige was doing here, and in general he's made a lot of bad choices recently. If he's overwhelmed, then he needs to delegate to someone he trusts. Cause if stuff like this is happening frequently, that tells me oversight has been garbage. The other pitch should never have been greenlighted in the first place.

I'm most likely wrong, but I can't help but getting the sense that even Feige himself might be sick of superhero stuff. Maybe his heart isn't on it as it was before. It became more of a business than a creative endeavour with too many balls in the air. There are too many characters, too many storylines, too many things to juggle; it has become too big and perhaps as a consequence, less fun to play in that sandbox.

 

[Spider-Fan]

They were thinking its not mine and I won't be bound by it.

Then came a bad year and in "fixing" Echo and Daredevil Born Again the selling point was the good will of Netflix's Daredevil and going into the last weekend before Echo the Netflix established canon was suddenly more important than a Feige joint and folks are wondering if he got lucky with RDJ, Whedon, Favreau and the Russo brothers.

That "it's not mine so I am not going to be bound to it" mentality falls on my deaf ears when you hire the guy for your own universe. If you do like Zac Efron is Daredevil, then I can respect you want to do your own thing. But when you hire the guy from the show, you are doing so cause you want to bank of that nostalgia and popularity. You're not pleasing your audience that loves cheeseburgers by making them a completely different dish that has ground beef added to it. You're also confusing your more casual audience who doesn't follow this stuff for years on end. So I don't think this line of logic had any validity whatsoever. You either wanted what the Defenders characters were selling or you didn't, and hiring them back tells me you did. So doing whatever it is they were doing at first was just plain stupid. Building off them is what should have happened day 1.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'm most likely wrong, but I can't help but getting the sense that even Feige himself might be sick of superhero stuff. Maybe his heart isn't on it as it was before. It became more of a business than a creative endeavour with too many balls in the air. There are too many characters, too many storylines, too many things to juggle; it has become too big and perhaps as a consequence, less fun to play in that sandbox.

Also not really a valid excuse. If you are not into this stuff anymore, then leave and get someone who is. Feige has been a great producer for Marvel Studios, but it should be common sense to hire people to delegate responsibility to if there is too much to manage or to leave if the passion isn't there anymore.

 

[kguillou]

I think after Endgame Feige kind of put his feet up and felt he had nothing more left to prove. Getting the Infinity Saga past the finish line was probably his life goal and he achieved it, and spectacularly. After that he needed a break and probably just felt like he could let his foot off the gas and let other creatives run the show how they want to and....well here we are.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Since it’s inevitable, what cameos/guest appearances are you hoping to see in this shows?

The rest of the Defenders.
Peter Parker/Spider-Man
The Winter Soldier

Also, it would be cool to see some flashbacks of Matt Murdock interacting with some Avengers either before or after the blip. Imagine him meeting Tony Stark/Steve Rogers during the blip? Maybe Steve was trying to recruit a new Avengers team? Would be a tall task getting Downy or Evans for the show, but would still be really cool to see them interact.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I dont really need a scene of Daredevil being recruited or something to the Avengers. I would love to see them interact and all, but I think that would just be weird. I never had an issue with the Defenders not being recruited cause they're all small time heroes. I don't think acrobatic guy with a stick was top priority for Stark and co. With Secret Wars coming, I think we can maybe get a more organic way to make those kind of meetings happen

Besides, those cameos would be super expensive to do and bloat the budget. Easier to just have Matt be the go to superhero lawyer guy cameo

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

The rest of the Defenders.
Peter Parker/Spider-Man
The Winter Soldier

Also, it would be cool to see some flashbacks of Matt Murdock interacting with some Avengers either before or after the blip. Imagine him meeting Tony Stark/Steve Rogers during the blip? Maybe Steve was trying to recruit a new Avengers team? Would be a tall task getting Downy or Evans for the show, but would still be really cool to see them interact.

If you're getting Robert Downey Jr or Chris Evans back for something Marvel-related, it's for a movie, not a five minute or less cameo on a Disney+ show. Especially if they're not the focus of the show. Ruffalo being in She-Hulk at least made sense with him having a supporting role, but you won't see Evans or Downey Jr have a walk-on cameo for a D+ series. Heck, we didn't even get Evans as an old Cap in Falcon and the Winter Soldier, where it would've at least made sense for him to appear.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

I dont really need a scene of Daredevil being recruited or something to the Avengers. I would love to see them interact and all, but I think that would just be weird. I never had an issue with the Defenders not being recruited cause they're all small time heroes. I don't think acrobatic guy with a stick was top priority for Stark and co. With Secret Wars coming, I think we can maybe get a more organic way to make those kind of meetings happen

Besides, those cameos would be super expensive to do and bloat the budget. Easier to just have Matt be the go to superhero lawyer guy cameo

Right, but during the blip there was practically no one left. Vision is dead. Wanda and Sam were both dusted. Tony was practically retired. Clint was off on a killing spree. I wouldn't put it past Steve to try and look elsewhere for heroes to recruit considering the things that happened.

And I agree, those cameos would be super expensive. It's just on my wish list of things to see in the future of different heroes interacting. Especially the Netflix heroes meeting the Avengers.

Even if Matt Murdock mentions meeting someone, that would be cool to hear. Now that the Netflix shows are canon, I'd like to see them intertwine those two universes together to make them feel like one. We really only got subtle hints in the Netflix shows about the events happening in the MCU.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

If you're getting Robert Downey Jr or Chris Evans back for something Marvel-related, it's for a movie, not a five minute or less cameo on a Disney+ show. Especially if they're not the focus of the show. Ruffalo being in She-Hulk at least made sense with him having a supporting role, but you won't see Evans or Downey Jr have a walk-on cameo for a D+ series. Heck, we didn't even get Evans as an old Cap in Falcon and the Winter Soldier, where it would've at least made sense for him to appear.

You're absolutely right. Like I said, would be a tall task getting them for a cameo. Would just be cool to see them interact after all these years.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Right, but during the blip there was practically no one left. Vision is dead. Wanda and Sam were both dusted. Tony was practically retired. Clint was off on a killing spree. I wouldn't put it past Steve to try and look elsewhere for heroes to recruit considering the things that happened.

And I agree, those cameos would be super expensive. It's just on my wish list of things to see in the future of different heroes interacting. Especially the Netflix heroes meeting the Avengers.

Even if Matt Murdock mentions meeting someone, that would be cool to hear. Now that the Netflix shows are canon, I'd like to see them intertwine those two universes together to make them feel like one. We really only got subtle hints in the Netflix shows about the events happening in the MCU.

Now that we know Matt was not blipped I look at those Ronin scenes and guess he wasn't around Hell's Kitchen for Daredevil to go after him like he did the Punisher.

With the wishes for the Defenders to show up in Endgame as I saw that scene Luke Cage carrying a Marines rifle would have been more of use than his strength and unbreakable skin. Something in showing the edges of battle that I think Whedon did better than the Russo brothers.

 

[DyeLorean]

I think Spider-Man being the link to the "street-level" heroes would work for everyone involved, you have probably the most known Marvel character linked in an organic way to Daredevil, Punisher, and whoever else they want. They need to bring things back to more grounded territory anyway.
I doubt RDJ or Chris Evans are going to return before Secret Wars. They're gonna save that ace up their sleeve as much as possible.

 

[Venom 1988]

I think Spider-Man being the link to the "street-level" heroes would work for everyone involved, you have probably the most known Marvel character linked in an organic way to Daredevil, Punisher, and whoever else they want. They need to bring things back to more grounded territory anyway.
I doubt RDJ or Chris Evans are going to return before Secret Wars. They're gonna save that ace up their sleeve as much as possible.

Spider-man is possible. When they renewed the deal in 2019, it was for 1 solo project and 1 guest appearence. The solo ended up being NWH but we still haven't gotten a guest appearence. Though it's possible the deal stipulates its a film appearence though but who knows.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Spider-Man I have a feeling will show up. Call it a hunch. Especially if Kingpin and co are gonna be apart of Spider-Man 4, it makes sense to tease that

 

[Pennywise]