Born Again Marvel Studios’ Daredevil: Born Again General Discussion Thread

[DyeLorean]

No matter who you put up there, nobody can deliver when you have so many projects in different stages of production. The studio/brand has become too big, between films, tv shows and animated series. The machinery for one individual film is already enormous, can you imagine several films AND tv shows that have to be cohesive with each other? I'm not surprised they have been struggling for years. It simply isn't manageable.

 

[kguillou]

I think we're overthinking it, guys. Feige wanted his cake and to eat it too. He wanted to reboot Daredevil. He wanted to make his own MCU Daredevil that could potentially crossover into the films and trade banter with the Avengers. But Feige also wasn't ignorant to Charlie Cox's universally lauded performance as Matt Murdock. He COULD have recasted Cox but he knew the decision would receive backlash and pushback. Heck, Feieg himself was probably a fan of the original Netflix series even if he didnt produce it.

Feige figured bringing Cox and D'Onofrio back would get buy in from fans and allow them the legroom to do what they wanted with the character because, hey, the actors you love are back, thats all that matters, right?! Charlie and Vincent were going to play NEW but familiar versions of their characters. I'm willing to bet in this original incarnation of Born Again, Daredevil and Kingpin will have had some vague antagonistic history together that would have been alluded to in the show and it would have been up to the viewer to determine what that history was. But they were never going to directly reference the events of the netflix series.

 

[TheVileOne]

I agree kguillou's hypothesis that Feige wanted to reboot Daredevil for the MCU with a couple of the same actors and put his stamp on the rest, but it clearly wasn't working. Maybe Feige even liked some of those shows. But frankly, I've never seen any evidence that he's watched and studied those shows or even likes them for that matter.

But my hypothesis is that the disconnect was because Feige and his regime had nothing to do with Netflix Daredevil along with Ike Perlmutter's involvement with those shows.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think we're overthinking it, guys. Feige wanted his cake and to eat it too. He wanted to reboot Daredevil. He wanted to make his own MCU Daredevil that could potentially crossover into the films and trade banter with the Avengers. But Feige also wasn't ignorant to Charlie Cox's universally lauded performance as Matt Murdock. He COULD have recasted Cox but he knew the decision would receive backlash and pushback. Heck, Feieg himself was probably a fan of the original Netflix series even if he didnt produce it.

Feige figured bringing Cox and D'Onofrio back would get buy in from fans and allow them the legroom to do what they wanted with the character because, hey, the actors you love are back, thats all that matters, right?! Charlie and Vincent were going to play NEW but familiar versions of their characters. I'm willing to bet in this original incarnation of Born Again, Daredevil and Kingpin will have had some vague antagonistic history together that would have been alluded to in the show and it would have been up to the viewer to determine what that history was. But they were never going to directly reference the events of the netflix series.

And again, I understand that this was his line of logic. The point is the logic was stupid and showcases Feige being a poor decision maker in recent history. There was never a universe where the half baked reboot was going to work, and the mere fact he not only approved it but was putting it into action shows how little Feige either understands his audience or his drunk on his own ego. Either way, it leads to the same place: Kevin Feige is not nearly as smart as we have credited him for

 

[Spider-Fan]

No matter who you put up there, nobody can deliver when you have so many projects in different stages of production. The studio/brand has become too big, between films, tv shows and animated series. The machinery for one individual film is already enormous, can you imagine several films AND tv shows that have to be cohesive with each other? I'm not surprised they have been struggling for years. It simply isn't manageable.

Which is also Feige's fault because he should be putting people in place to help watch over the vast amount of projects or divide them up amongst people he trusts. The fact he hasn't seemed to showcases a failure of management

 

[DarkKnight88]

I think we're overthinking it, guys. Feige wanted his cake and to eat it too. He wanted to reboot Daredevil. He wanted to make his own MCU Daredevil that could potentially crossover into the films and trade banter with the Avengers. But Feige also wasn't ignorant to Charlie Cox's universally lauded performance as Matt Murdock. He COULD have recasted Cox but he knew the decision would receive backlash and pushback. Heck, Feieg himself was probably a fan of the original Netflix series even if he didnt produce it.

Feige figured bringing Cox and D'Onofrio back would get buy in from fans and allow them the legroom to do what they wanted with the character because, hey, the actors you love are back, thats all that matters, right?! Charlie and Vincent were going to play NEW but familiar versions of their characters. I'm willing to bet in this original incarnation of Born Again, Daredevil and Kingpin will have had some vague antagonistic history together that would have been alluded to in the show and it would have been up to the viewer to determine what that history was. But they were never going to directly reference the events of the netflix series.

Yes exactly this.

Also the fact he wanted newbies to come into this world without having watched three previous seasons of a TV show and not give up cause of “homework”.

Basically being Daredevil to a “bigger” audience.

I’ll be curious if that deters people who never watched the Netflix show or people can go in fresh and still roll with it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yes exactly this.

Also the fact he wanted newbies to come into this world without having watched three previous seasons of a TV show and not give up cause of “homework”.

Basically being Daredevil to a “bigger” audience.

I’ll be curious if that deters people who never watched the Netflix show or people can go in fresh and still roll with it.

You know how you don't require 3 seasons of homework more effectively? By hiring all new actors. But Feige wanted the nostalgia bait. Well...that's the trade off you make when you do that. You can't have it both ways

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

We're getting two episodes tonight apparently

 

[DyeLorean]

Viewership of the original Netflix Daredevil show increased heavily after the first couple of episodes of Born Again. Just to give some context.

 

[kguillou]

Matt better suit up tonight, I've been enjoying the slow burn but I'm ready for him to start kicking some a**.

 

[BlackFox]

Tonight we feast.

 

[Herolee10]

I think we're overthinking it, guys. Feige wanted his cake and to eat it too. He wanted to reboot Daredevil. He wanted to make his own MCU Daredevil that could potentially crossover into the films and trade banter with the Avengers. But Feige also wasn't ignorant to Charlie Cox's universally lauded performance as Matt Murdock. He COULD have recasted Cox but he knew the decision would receive backlash and pushback. Heck, Feieg himself was probably a fan of the original Netflix series even if he didnt produce it.

Feige figured bringing Cox and D'Onofrio back would get buy in from fans and allow them the legroom to do what they wanted with the character because, hey, the actors you love are back, thats all that matters, right?! Charlie and Vincent were going to play NEW but familiar versions of their characters. I'm willing to bet in this original incarnation of Born Again, Daredevil and Kingpin will have had some vague antagonistic history together that would have been alluded to in the show and it would have been up to the viewer to determine what that history was. But they were never going to directly reference the events of the netflix series.

Well, this would explain why no explanation was ever given on how Wilson Fisk got out again after DD Season 3. I'm guessing that Feige wanted to go down the "Superman Returns" route where only certain events carried over into this new continuity.

 

[CyclopsSummers]

This show is good, same level than 3 netflix seasons. But too many plots. Many threats : Muse, Kingpin, gang of heroes' killers... Bullseye in jails but we havent done with him yet

fortunately Punisher is back, DD may need some helps

 

[Herolee10]

Had Sony allowed Marvel to use Spider-Man for the Disney Plus shows, I think Kingpin would've been the perfect Endgame villain to pit against all of the street-level heroes. Unlike previous films where you could say that the other heroes were busy taking care of something else across the globe or cosmos, it doesn't really make sense for Spider-Man not to get involved more with the crimes in NYC.

 

[Breogan]

Keep forgetting he's part of the cast, or is that the last we see of him?
Have Daredevil and Swordsman (Duquesne) ever interacted in the comics?
Teamed-up, or fought? Any good scenes, scans?

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I think we're overthinking it, guys. Feige wanted his cake and to eat it too. He wanted to reboot Daredevil. He wanted to make his own MCU Daredevil that could potentially crossover into the films and trade banter with the Avengers. But Feige also wasn't ignorant to Charlie Cox's universally lauded performance as Matt Murdock. He COULD have recasted Cox but he knew the decision would receive backlash and pushback. Heck, Feieg himself was probably a fan of the original Netflix series even if he didnt produce it.

Feige figured bringing Cox and D'Onofrio back would get buy in from fans and allow them the legroom to do what they wanted with the character because, hey, the actors you love are back, thats all that matters, right?! Charlie and Vincent were going to play NEW but familiar versions of their characters. I'm willing to bet in this original incarnation of Born Again, Daredevil and Kingpin will have had some vague antagonistic history together that would have been alluded to in the show and it would have been up to the viewer to determine what that history was. But they were never going to directly reference the events of the netflix series.

This is basically how comic books work. New creative teams come on to long running books and make it their own.

 

[TheVileOne]

That's true. And sometimes you get Frank Miller. And then sometimes you get Chuck Austen, who makes Angel have sex with Husk in the air while her mother watches.

 

[Breogan]

Holy Heck!

Spoiler

 

[Spider-Fan]

Holy Heck!

Spoiler

Spoiler

That legit?

 

[inomilan]

Holy Heck!

Spoiler

Saw this on Facebook as well and holy crap!!!!

 

[DyeLorean]

Spoiler

That's a fantastic shot.

 

[Venom 1988]

Spoiler

That legit?

Spoiler

These specific pics? No idea but if not they seem to be based on set pics from current season 2 filming that are legit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/s/vTrtmBwmjy

 

[BoredGuy]

Keep forgetting he's part of the cast, or is that the last we see of him?
Have Daredevil and Swordsman (Duquesne) ever interacted in the comics?
Teamed-up, or fought? Any good scenes, scans?

I didn't even recognize him at first
Think it was the terrible wig that threw me off

Don't know about in the comics, but should be fun to see them cross paths on the show, I'm guessing in season 2

 

[Breogan]

I didn't even recognize him at first
Think it was the terrible wig that threw me off

Don't know about in the comics, but should be fun to see them cross paths on the show, I'm guessing in season 2

As far as I can tell that could be the guys real hair?

Though I'm guessing with him having crossed Fisk, who just started his Anti.Vigilante.Task.Force, they are going to have to take someone out to show they are a legit threat, and if there is anyone in the comics or on the show, who has absoluteley Zero Plot-Armor, it's Swordsman.
So yeah, like Hector Ayala, he's likely here for just one reason.

 

[BoredGuy]

As far as I can tell that's the guys real hair?

I know that's his general hair style, but idk, looked fake on this episode, like maybe he cut it shorter and they added length
that or the hair stylist just did a really bad job with it lol