Born Again Marvel Studios’ Daredevil: Born Again General Discussion Thread

[Spider-Fan]

Like I said though, we also have to figure in budget vs expectations. The Acolyte I am very sure cost more money. Therefore, it better get more views than Daredevil. So, if Daredevil is a cheaper show than a lot of the other D+ content moving forward (same for other Defenders based shows), then they don't have to get the same viewership to be successful.

Regardless, I like the show so far. So I couldn't care less about numbers beyond will it get more seasons. If more people watched The Acolyte, good for yall. I didn't watch nor do I care about The Acolyre. But I will more than likely watch Born Again in the future if I continue to like it

 

[Adrian Chase]

those viewership numbers seem a little concerning.

They surely are.

 

[Spider-Fan]

They are what they are. I am going to keep watching the show as long as long as they keep making it. I have more things to worry about in my life than the show having lower viewership relative to a few other shows.

 

[psylockolussus]

Reading that a Daredevil series (first since 2018) got lower viewership than a show for someone like Agatha Harkness doesn't sound good. Good for the series, that they are already filming the second season though.

I think these viewership counts could be a lot higher if Disney didn't release so many new MCU shows since 2021. This is the 11th live action MCU show for Disney+ since 2021... I wonder if Ironheart would attract more people by June, probably not.

 

[Still Wynning]

Even garbage like Ahsoka and the Acolyte, which bombed so hard it was cancelled right away, have overwhelming positive Rotten Tomatoes scores.

With ‘Ahsoka’ Moving to the UK, Lucasfilm Has No Shows Set to Shoot in LA

 

[DKDetective]

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Read that again, the modifier clause about cancellation, was about The Acolyte.

 

[TheVileOne]

Wow, The ACOLYTE performed much better than Daredevil? I guess people were hate watching it

Eh, the numbers are what they are. We're getting season 2 next year regardless and you know what...maybe its best if this doesnt go on for 4-5 seasons and it just stops at 2 seasons. Make this sort of a mini series run that tells a story and calls it a day.

Technically this is simply the amount of episodes they commissioned originally, which was 18. They are simply splitting the 18-episode order into two seasons.

 

[TheVileOne]

Like I said though, we also have to figure in budget vs expectations. The Acolyte I am very sure cost more money. Therefore, it better get more views than Daredevil. So, if Daredevil is a cheaper show than a lot of the other D+ content moving forward (same for other Defenders based shows), then they don't have to get the same viewership to be successful.

Regardless, I like the show so far. So I couldn't care less about numbers beyond will it get more seasons. If more people watched The Acolyte, good for yall. I didn't watch nor do I care about The Acolyre. But I will more than likely watch Born Again in the future if I continue to like it

Not necessarily. The whole two seasons thing is misleading. Daredevil wasn't "renewed." They commissioned 18 episodes before the series even launched. The Acolyte Did its whole first season that was ordered. Streaming TV model is not the traditional TV model.

Basically, Disney+ is splitting their 18-episode order into two seasons. Netflix does this all the time. And streamers do this as a loop hole to prevent giving creatives raises and more money for actual second-season pickups.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Not necessarily. The whole two seasons thing is misleading. Daredevil wasn't "renewed." They commissioned 18 episodes before the series even launched. The Acolyte Did its whole first season that was ordered. Streaming TV model is not the traditional TV model.

Basically, Disney+ is splitting their 18-episode order into two seasons. Netflix does this all the time. And streamers do this as a loop hole to prevent giving creatives raises and more money for actual second-season pickups.

I am aware of all that, but it doesn't really change the core point about cost vs views. More expensive projects like The Acolyte need to attract more viewers to justify making them. Now, according to Dr Google, The Acolyte cost like 230 mil, which I believe so it's on par with say Secret Invasion. I cannot find a budget for Born Again. So what it comes down to is, is it doing well enough relative to its budget/expected budget for future seasons?

 

[TheVileOne]

I am aware of all that, but it doesn't really change the core point about cost vs views. More expensive projects like The Acolyte need to attract more viewers to justify making them. Now, according to Dr Google, The Acolyte cost like 230 mil, which I believe so it's on par with say Secret Invasion. I cannot find a budget for Born Again. So what it comes down to is, is it doing well enough relative to its budget/expected budget for future seasons?

I think that will determine whether they do more darker Netflix continuations or TV-MA projects like this and a possible third season or continuation.

 

[Still Wynning]

Read that again, the modifier clause about cancellation, was about The Acolyte.

I misread that. My bad.

 

[BoredGuy]

Would be interested to know what Netflix DD Season 1's first week numbers were
but of course Netflix never released that kind of information

 

[Gu3ree]

Reading about what the original plans were and how episode 2 was the original pilot, Fisk's wife being played by someone else (same character or different?) and how they were going to completely neglect the original Netflix series especially for Foggy and Karen...all of this just infuriates me.

Thank God for the changes, I'll say. They would have pissed off everyone. What was the point if they were still going to use Charlie Cox and Vincent D'Onofrio?

I can't imagine how the series would have been. I feel like in many aspects, the original Daredevil series was better than the MCU.

Imagine if we didn't have that great diner scene with Matt and Kingpin? It wouldn't have worked if they hadn't mentioned their past rivalry. Or they wouldn't have had a "little chat" at that diner cafe in the first place, to which I say what were they thinking by excluding the original series?

Bullseye wasn't even originally going to come back. Say what you want, but I loved the DD Netflix series. And if they were going to pretend those events never happened, I would have never forgiven Kevin Feige. Not that I dislike all MCU stuff, but I do tend to draw more toward a more grounded movie or TV series with a superhero in it, and with better dialogue and less theatricality.

So do we know if Karen, Bullseye and Frank Castle are going to be back for the finale? I seriously hope Bullseye gets a better costume that resembles the comics more. At least the mask with the Bullseye logo on his forehead. It doesn't have to be a literal translation from the comics, but it makes sense for his character to design, given his psychotic nature.

 

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[psylockolussus]

I think that will determine whether they do more darker Netflix continuations or TV-MA projects like this and a possible third season or continuation.

Its a bit too early but I think Daredevil is going to be a 2 seasons and done like Loki. Also, it doesn't seem too exciting if they are just going to continue the other Netflix heroes in the MCU (Daredevil, Punisher, Jessica, Luke, Iron Fist) through streaming shows. Been there, done that, and I don't really see Disney+ as a better platform, when the MCU movies is still the main dish and like the Netflix era, these series would still be treated as a side dish to the MCU menu, that is only exclusive to a streaming service once again.

 

[Adrian Chase]

Daredevil is one of my all time favourite comic book characters and yet I still haven't found the desire to watch the third episode after the disappointment of the first two.
That says it all...

 

[DeadlyWest]

Ultimately, the fact we even got one more season is a blessing to me. I'd quite happily take two seasons as a final swan song to the "Netflix" side of the MCU. It's entirely possible that the positive WOM will be more felt in the viewership for Season 2 rather than Season 1, too. But it's also worth mentioning that...am I the only one kinda unsurprised that Daredevil had less viewers than Agatha and Acolyte just on the ground that...Acolyte was a Star Wars show marketted to any and all age groups, Agatha was essentially for teenagers and older meanwhile Daredevil is flat out a Rated R?

A rated R Daredevil show, made over seven years after Netflix Daredevil Season 3, only had two million less views than Agatha All Along when it more or less had half the potential audience cut off.

Daredevil's viewers being worse should've been expected for the same reason Nosferatu making less money than Inside Out 2 was expected. The theoretical size of the audience is just going to be smaller. 2 million less is not too bad, imho.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Ultimately, the fact we even got one more season is a blessing to me. I'd quite happily take two seasons as a final swan song to the "Netflix" side of the MCU. It's entirely possible that the positive WOM will be more felt in the viewership for Season 2 rather than Season 1, too. But it's also worth mentioning that...am I the only one kinda unsurprised that Daredevil had less viewers than Agatha and Acolyte just on the ground that...Acolyte was a Star Wars show marketted to any and all age groups, Agatha was essentially for teenagers and older meanwhile Daredevil is flat out a Rated R?

A rated R Daredevil show, made over seven years after Netflix Daredevil Season 3, only had two million less views than Agatha All Along when it more or less had half the potential audience cut off.

Daredevil's viewers being worse should've been expected for the same reason Nosferatu making less money than Inside Out 2 was expected. The theoretical size of the audience is just going to be smaller. 2 million less is not too bad, imho.

But that kind of eliminates the fact that Deadpool and Wolverine, a Marvel rated R film also made 7 years after its last sequel, made over 1 billion last summer. So that’s a much more apt comparison than Nosferatu.

 

[DeadlyWest]

But that kind of eliminates the fact that Deadpool and Wolverine, a Marvel rated R film also made 7 years after its last sequel, made over 1 billion last summer. So that’s a much more apt comparison than Nosferatu.

True enough, but Deadpool and Wolverine had a lot more general buzz and marketting to it, it's a lot more comedic which is usually more profitable over darker content that isn't Batman, return of Hugh Jackman as Wolverine who's been a household name for about 2 decades, etc etc.

I'm not saying Daredevil had good numbers, my point is I don't honestly think they're as doom and gloom as people make it out to be. Not great, but not downright atrocious either.

 

[Spider-Fan]

But that kind of eliminates the fact that Deadpool and Wolverine, a Marvel rated R film also made 7 years after its last sequel, made over 1 billion last summer. So that’s a much more apt comparison than Nosferatu.

But Deadpool & Wolverine was a sequel to a popular film franchise, while Daredevil was a sequel to a show people only ever saw on Netflix. Not to mention Deadpool had an over 200 mil budget. Daredevil is a cheaper character. Not a 1:1 comparison either

 

[DarkKnight88]

True enough, but Deadpool and Wolverine had a lot more general buzz and marketting to it, it's a lot more comedic which is usually more profitable over darker content that isn't Batman, return of Hugh Jackman as Wolverine who's been a household name for about 2 decades, etc etc.

I'm not saying Daredevil had good numbers, my point is I don't honestly think they're as doom and gloom as people make it out to be. Not great, but not downright atrocious either.

I’m not saying doom or gloom either. And I think the point of the Netflix Datedevil show probably not being as popular as its reputation online with the general public might stand as well.

But I don’t think the R-rating has much baring if people are interested. Case in point; Logan did better than the two previous PG-13 Wolverine films and that had also a much darker and violent tone.

 

[Filmfan93]

This is a fake trailer and a mixture of all the previous trailers & TV Spots.

 

[donuts]

But Deadpool & Wolverine was a sequel to a popular film franchise, while Daredevil was a sequel to a show people only ever saw on Netflix. Not to mention Deadpool had an over 200 mil budget. Daredevil is a cheaper character. Not a 1:1 comparison either

Funny how that works.

In 2016, Fox made an R-rated Deadpool movie for $58 million dollars and against all odds, because most thought that such a movie wouldn't be profitable.

Just a reminder. Beause people seem to have short memory.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Funny how that works.

In 2016, Fox made an R-rated Deadpool movie for $58 million dollars and against all odds, because most thought that such a movie wouldn't be profitable.

Just a reminder. Beause people seem to have short memory.

Yeah, but that still was a movie and Deadpool & Wolverine also had huge stars in it and one of Marvel's top 5 most popular characters in Wolverine, who we hadn't seen in years. Daredevil again is a sequel series to a streaming show. It's not apples to apples, and clearly Marvel didn't anticipate that huge an audience like D&W got. Otherwise it would have been a movie as well

 

[donuts]

Yeah, but that still was a movie and Deadpool & Wolverine also had huge stars in it and one of Marvel's top 5 most popular characters in Wolverine, who we hadn't seen in years. Daredevil again is a sequel series to a streaming show. It's not apples to apples, and clearly Marvel didn't anticipate that huge an audience like D&W got. Otherwise it would have been a movie as well

Dude, I'm not talking about Deadpool & Wolverine, but about the original Deadpool movie, which no one thought would've made more than $700M back in the day.