Born Again Marvel Studios’ Daredevil: Born Again General Discussion Thread

[NewYorkSpider]

I genuinely feel Marvel has completely fallen off. It’s a real shame what happened but they’re a shadow of their former selves. So disappointing. The shows are all ****ing lame, let’s be real. They’re just not that good.

I wouldn't necessarily say all the shows were lame. Secret Invasion really was the bad egg and some of the shows following it sounded like they were heading in the same direction(Echo, DD BA). Some of the shows were solid IMO. Hopefully this was just a hiccup in their content and they fix it immediately.

I honestly hope they just make this into Season 4. The Netflix series was some of the best Marvel content I've ever watched.

 

[emc5466]

At this point why not just license the show back to Netflix? It’s clearly going to cost a fortune now and Disney is in financial disarray. Just give it back and let Netflix handle it.

 

[Sithborg]

At this point why not just license the show back to Netflix? It’s clearly going to cost a fortune now and Disney is in financial disarray. Just give it back and let Netflix handle it.

Netflix wasn't the key ingredient.

Feige's completely dissolution of Loeb's division when they "merged" was his big mistake. While the shows under his purview weren't always perfect, they were still actual shows. And at the fraction of Feige's stuff.

 

[Iceman]

Seems so weird to not hire all the crew who made the DD show so great for 3 seasons. That level of TV is not seen often in superhero material, just dumb to not use everybody again.

 

[Venom 1988]

At this point why not just license the show back to Netflix? It’s clearly going to cost a fortune now and Disney is in financial disarray. Just give it back and let Netflix handle it.

Netflix wasn't the key ingredient.

Feige's completely dissolution of Loeb's division when they "merged" was his big mistake. While the shows under his purview weren't always perfect, they were still actual shows. And at the fraction of Feige's stuff.

Yeah the only thing Netflix did was pay for the right to distribute these shows. Everything else was done by Marvel Television.

 

[emc5466]

Seems so weird to not hire all the crew who made the DD show so great for 3 seasons. That level of TV is not seen often in superhero material, just dumb to not use everybody again.

It comes down to hubris, jealousy and egomania. I remember Devin Faraci once reported that Feige did not like Netflix Daredevil, of course he didn’t like it because he had nothing to do with it.

 

[Iceman]

It comes down to hubris, jealousy and egomania. I remember Devin Faraci once reported that Feige did not like Netflix Daredevil, of course he didn’t like it because he had nothing to do with it.

That’s a very bad sign if he didn’t like it.

 

[squeekness]

Seems so weird to not hire all the crew who made the DD show so great for 3 seasons. That level of TV is not seen often in superhero material, just dumb to not use everybody again.

Seriously. It's a no brainer.

 

[Venom 1988]

It comes down to hubris, jealousy and egomania. I remember Devin Faraci once reported that Feige did not like Netflix Daredevil, of course he didn’t like it because he had nothing to do with it.

That’s a very bad sign if he didn’t like it.

If Farachi is the only source for this I'd take it with a massive grain of salt.

 

[Dark Raven]

That’s a very bad sign if he didn’t like it.

Even if he doesn't like it, but it's better than what Marvel Studios are putting out, then Feige better learn to like it.

It's like certain films or pop songs or bands. You may not like them, but if they produce hit after hit, then you better learn to like them or at least see what lessons you can learn from them.

 

[The Overlord]

I saw a video about the failure of Marvel streaming shows and the video said these shows run like movies and lacked a dedicated show runner:

 

[NewYorkSpider]

If Farachi is the only source for this I'd take it with a massive grain of salt.

Considering Feige has brought back 3 Netflix actors(with possibly more on the way), I don't think this to be true.

 

[Filmfreak]

Bringing two or three extremely popular actors back while literally ditching almost everything else, including writers, directors, tone, style and rating for a series, pretty much speaks for itself.

 

[TheVileOne]

At this point why not just license the show back to Netflix? It’s clearly going to cost a fortune now and Disney is in financial disarray. Just give it back and let Netflix handle it.

Because Netflix is their competitor.

 

[TheVileOne]

Netflix wasn't the key ingredient.

Feige's completely dissolution of Loeb's division when they "merged" was his big mistake. While the shows under his purview weren't always perfect, they were still actual shows. And at the fraction of Feige's stuff.

Yeah but during that period Marvel Studios hated Marvel TV and we had to constantly hear that "#ItsAllConnected" lip service garbage.

Defenders laid an egg. Inhumans was a disaster. Let's not forget how poorly they treated Iron Fist.

 

[BoredGuy]

People hated on DD season 2, and personally I thought Season 3 was boring when I just rewatched it
Jessica Jones had one good season
Luke Cage had a good half season, followed by a terrible second half, and then season 2 was.. decent
Iron Fist was crap, so was Defenders, Inhumans, and large swaths of Agents of Shield

There seems to be a lot of revisionist history about the Netflix/MarvelTV shows being the be-all and end-all
Definitely disappointed about what's going on, but I'm fine with them giving a new team a crack at it, so long as that team has a solid vision for the show they want to make, and can handle 18 episodes of TV programming

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I do prefer the Netflix Marvel stuff for the most part over the D+ shows but that is a painfully low bar. Both are mostly bad in different ways. The MCU just happens to have not done a show as strong as the best parts of Daredevil or the first season of JJ.

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

Yeah but during that period Marvel Studios hated Marvel TV and we had to constantly hear that "#ItsAllConnected" lip service garbage.

Defenders laid an egg. Inhumans was a disaster. Let's not forget how poorly they treated Iron Fist.

Jeph Loeb will probably go to his grave saying "It's all connected," even though it felt like Marvel TV was unwilling to admit that "It's all connected" didn't work.

 

[BoredGuy]

I do prefer the Netflix Marvel stuff for the most part over the D+ shows but that is a painfully low bar. Both are mostly bad in different ways. The MCU just happens to have not done a show as strong as the best parts of Daredevil or the first season of JJ.

I'll give you that part
Season 1 of DD and JJ > Any Disney+ series
but
Loki, WandaVision, and Hawkeye > All the other MarvelTV stuff

imo

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I'll give you that part
Season 1 of DD and JJ > Any Disney+ series
but
Loki, WandaVision, and Hawkeye > All the other MarvelTV stuff

imo

Haven't seen Hawkeye. Loki is pretty damn good, Wandavision is very good when it's all the sitcom stuff but unbearably generic and dull outside of it.

 

[BoredGuy]

Haven't seen Hawkeye. Loki is pretty damn good, Wandavision is very good when it's all the sitcom stuff but unbearably generic and dull outside of it.

Yeah, mostly the final episode of WV was a letdown, but otherwise great

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

I do prefer the Netflix Marvel stuff for the most part over the D+ shows but that is a painfully low bar. Both are mostly bad in different ways. The MCU just happens to have not done a show as strong as the best parts of Daredevil or the first season of JJ.

What about Moon Knight? At least tonally, that's unlike a lot of the other Marvel Disney+ shows.

 

[TheVileOne]

What about Moon Knight? At least tonally, that's unlike a lot of the other Marvel Disney+ shows.

Not a fan of Moon Knight, but it did get good reviews, as did Ms. Marvel, WandaVision, and Loki.

 

[Filmfreak]

Not a fan of Moon Knight, but it did get good reviews, as did Ms. Marvel, WandaVision, and Loki.

You know, a big part of the positive reviews is the fact that they didn't give critics all episodes to watch. Both WandaVision and Moon Knight started as something fresh and different (especially the former) and turned out to really silly and formulaic by the end (especially the latter).

 

[DyeLorean]

Yes, positive reviews of TV shows on sites such as Rotten Tomatoes are deceiving. Critics are only shown a handful of episodes and they gotta be like "Yeah I guess the show is good? For now? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "
I think is very difficult to judge an entire season or show without having actually seen it. Is like watching the first 20 minutes of a movie. Is it good? Well how do I know?!