Marvel Studios will Go Head to Head with Batman vs. Superman

[samsnee]

Marvel has no leg to stand on going up against those slated films. What MCU properties could honestly go in 2016 and 2017 that take precedence over a WF and JL film?

Cap 3 won't have the same intrigue that Batfleck would bring to audiences. You are talking about matching up the two most iconic superheroes of all time. Marvel simply doesn't have the brand name character that's ready to challenge that film in 2016.

2017 is no different. Dr Strange? Maybe another Hulk film? All Marvel can hope for is another B&R situation at WB/DC. Only an Avenger ensemble would have the brand recognition that would make WB think twice.

I think if this was 6 years ago, it would be a valid observation. But Marvel has built enough of a brand that it can given them a run for their money. I'm not saying it would have a bigger box office, but they won't get run over.

 

[The Guard]

So no movie can develop an emotional connection to its characters within its 2.5 hour timeframe without being preceded by four films first? Someone should tell that to the hundreds of movies that have done just that over the course of Hollywood's history. It starts with competent screenwriting, and ends with directing and acting.

See, Marvel comes out and does its thing, and suddenly people act like ensemble films, emotional connections, and character development are impossible to achieve without doing it "the Marvel way." It's remarkably frustrating.

Exactly.

 

[:eek:]

The chicken game continues:

"Captain America 3" Won't Back Off Date


By Garth Franklin Wednesday May 7th 2014 03:56AM
In March came word that both Disney/Marvel's "Captain America 3" and Warners/DC's "Batman vs. Superman" were vying for the same May 6th 2016 release date.
Last month, Warner Bros. president of domestic distribution Dan Fellman said he had no intention of moving 'Batman' off that date and losing this game of release date chicken.
Now, during Walt Disney Company's quarterly earning stockholders call yesterday, Disney CEO Bob Iger says he ain't backing down either. Variety's Marc Graser, who was covering the call, tweeted:

"Disney will hang on to the May opening slot for Marvel's movies with Avengers: Age of Ultron and Captain America 3 in 2016"
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Iger also said "Frozen" is now one of Disney's top five franchises and they’re "developing some concepts around" it at theme parks.
Iger's also seen "Guardians of the Galaxy" and says: "I'm not going to predict we have another 'Avengers' on our hands but that's certainly a goal."

 

[ironwez20]

So no movie can develop an emotional connection to its characters within its 2.5 hour timeframe without being preceded by four films first? Someone should tell that to the hundreds of movies that have done just that over the course of Hollywood's history. It starts with competent screenwriting, and ends with directing and acting.

See, Marvel comes out and does its thing, and suddenly people act like ensemble films, emotional connections, and character development are impossible to achieve without doing it "the Marvel way." It's remarkably frustrating.

Thank you lord. Someone who gets it

 

[sueb1863]

One of them will move I think, more likely due to production delays or something along those lines than "blinking".

If they don't, then Cap3 will almost definitely lose the fight. CA's gotten a major boost from TWS but not enough to beat Batman and Superman.

 

[Raiden]

One of them will move I think, more likely due to production delays or something along those lines than "blinking".

If they don't, then Cap3 will almost definitely lose the fight. CA's gotten a major boost from TWS but not enough to beat Batman and Superman.

Cap 3 will get a boost from AOU as well.

 

[mclay18]

Cap 3 will get a boost from AOU as well.

True, but will it have many returning faces from AOU?

 

[Raiden]

True, but will it have many returning faces from AOU?

I won't be surprised if many of the characters from TWS return to Cap 3, since it'll be a continuation of that movie.

 

[mclay18]

But it probably won't have Stark, Thor, Barton, or even Banner/Hulk in CA3. I think they're a bigger draw than secondary ones like Maria Hill or Coulson.

 

[Ajendo]

True, but will it have many returning faces from AOU?

It doesn't need many returning faces from AoU. Cap 3 will be a sequel to both TwS and AoU and a fair few character from TwS will be in AoU anyway. One can only imagine how things will play out in the latter. With Cap 3 coming off the heals of AoU which I'm sure will be the biggest comic book event movie to date, personally, I think Cap 3 doesn't have too much to be worried about. Now, lets be real, I wouldn't say its going to be a walk in the park because lets face it, batman and superman in the same frickin' movie? It's almost mind-blowing. WB/DC really need to deliver something special and worthy of such iconic characters because such a movie alone by all accounts should obliterate its competition but we'll see once production commences and of course once the trailers hit, which will destroy the internet!

 

[Black Narcissus]

Are we talking quality or box office appeal? BvS doesn't have to be on the level of Cap2 to break the box office and essentially make a billion +. The novelty of seeing Bats and Supes together should be enough world wide and a potential cliff hanger for JL. I'm not saying Cap3 will not make a ton of money though.

 

[mclay18]

Well... WB officially titled the pic Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice and in the official statement, says they are planning to release movie worldwide on May 6, 2016.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/05...f-justice-starts-principal-photography-today/

And Box Office Mojo's Brandon Gray says that the situation "should be resolved by the time "Avengers: Age of Ultron" opens next May."

 

[Destructus86]

While jamming them all into one movie can also work, like in the Star Trek series, it is a much riskier option than the Marvel model. In order to pull it off, you need a talented crew and I just don't feel confident with Zack Snyder leading the ship. He's not an Abrams.

I totally agree with this. It's possible...If you have the talent behind it. And like you I just don't have that much confidence in Snyder. I felt he did a poor job of pacing with the Man of Steel and that was ONE hero in one movie.

 

[samsnee]

I think if you liked MoS, then you'll give Snyder the benefit of the doubt here. If not, well, then there's nothing that has been shown to you tell that the approach will be different.

 

[spider-neil]

I'm a Marvel guy. My favorite character is a Marvel character. I enjoyed the heck out of WS, I think it is possibly Marvel Studios' best movie, I'm obviously going to see the sequel and even I'm going to see Batman v Superman opening night.

I admire Marvel's bravery but unless they movie the Cap 3 movie they are going to be crushed.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I admire Marvel's bravery but unless they movie the Cap 3 movie they are going to be crushed.

Crushed?

Yeah, no.

 

[Iceman]

I think Cap 3 will make a billion if given a clean run and if it's of the same quality of Cap 2. BVS is much more of an unknown quantity but if it's of the quality of Cap 2 it can make more than Cap 3 just from the novelty value. But both need to not open on the same date or they'll lose a huge chunk of their box office. Any film opening early summer has a limited time to make most of its money before being forced to share screens and you really don't want to share your 1st 2 weeks with any other big film if you can avoid it.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

If the two films end up getting released on the same day, they will both lose. There is no way this works out for either party.

 

[DA_Champion]

I consider BvS to be the underdog.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I consider BvS to be the underdog.

I wouldn't, but WB/DC definitely has more to lose than Disney/Marvel. Marvel's wrapping up a trilogy. DC is trying to establish a new franchise. If Cap 3 fails, then Marvel will take their lumps and move onto their next project. If BvS fails, DC doesn't have a Plan B. They need BvS to be successful more than Marvel needs Cap 3 to be.

It is very possible that BvS could win the battle (ie. the weekend) and WB lose the war.

 

[Marvin]

I think Cap 3 will make a billion if given a clean run and if it's of the same quality of Cap 2. BVS is much more of an unknown quantity but if it's of the quality of Cap 2 it can make more than Cap 3 just from the novelty value. But both need to not open on the same date or they'll lose a huge chunk of their box office. Any film opening early summer has a limited time to make most of its money before being forced to share screens and you really don't want to share your 1st 2 weeks with any other big film if you can avoid it.

Do you think a traditional MoS sequel would as well?

Also, I was told AntMan is the film coming off of avengers, not cap. Cap finds itself in the Thor2 position but at the top of the summer.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Can someone please just change now. While I'd rather not have to wait any longer for BvS, this just needs to end.

Based on pure hype (the return of Batman, JL set up, etc.), I'd say BvS has the advantage. But there will be no winners here if they go through with this foolish penis measuring contest. Thankfully they won't.

 

[Iceman]

Do you think a traditional MoS sequel would as well?

Also, I was told AntMan is the film coming off of avengers, not cap. Cap finds itself in the Thor2 position but at the top of the summer.

A traditional MoS sequel with just Superman related characters I think could improve a fair bit on MoS but might fall a bit short of a billion. Just depends on whether it catches on overseas.

 

[Iceman]

Can someone please just change now. While I'd rather not have to wait any longer for BvS, this just needs to end.

Based on pure hype (the return of Batman, JL set up, etc.), I'd say BvS has the advantage. But there will be no winners here if they go through with this foolish penis measuring contest. Thankfully they won't.

It's a maturity contest more than anything else. I'm disappointed with WB/DC more as they've chosen to clash. Under normal circumstances I'd want them to lose heavily as a result but unfortunately that would mean I lose out on a Justice League franchise.

 

[spider-neil]

Crushed?

Yeah, no.

Crushed.

Blockbusters make their money in the first two weeks. The GA are going to turn up in their droves to see BvS so Cap 2 will get the spill over and then in two weeks the next big thing will cut Caps legs clean off.