Marvel's Black & Minority Characters: Roundtable Discussion

[LouFerignoDemon]

How is his name stereotypical?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

How is his name stereotypical?

you don't think its a bit of a stereo typical thing to see a cowboy named "rawhide kid" and think... "what a gay name" and then go and make the guy gay? not only gay.. but a cover thats extremely flamboyant?

 

[Darthphere]

you don't think its a bit of a stereo typical thing to see a cowboy named "rawhide kid" and think... "what a gay name" and then go and make the guy guy? not only gay.. but a cover thats extremely flamboyant?

Thats not a stereotype, thats stupid, there's a difference.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Thats not a stereotype, thats stupid, there's a difference.

well as a gay male, i feel its playing off the flamboyant stereotype the entertainment industry is obsessed with... or was in the early 2000's... least we now have people like billy and teddy who are real... and dont play into a stereo type

 

[Darthphere]

well as a gay male, i feel its playing off the flamboyant stereotype the entertainment industry is obsessed with... or was in the early 2000's... least we now have people like billy and teddy who are real... and dont play into a stereo type

But there are flamboyant gays though. Steroetypes always have some truth behind them.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

But there are flamboyant gays though. Steroetypes always have some truth behind them.

yes i know this, but when the media 99% of the time only shows this.. thats what spreads homophobia... soo many people i know when they find out im gay or someones gay there always like... "your (or he) arn't(/Isnt) "girlie" are you (is he)" its annoying

 

[deemar325]

But there are flamboyant gays though. Steroetypes always have some truth behind them.

yeah it's one of the reasons why my wife wanted to have sex with me when we first met, to see if it's true.












I didn't dissappoint. t:

 

[Darthphere]

yes i know this, but when the media 99% of the time only shows this.. thats what spreads homophobia... soo many people i know when they find out im gay or someones gay there always like... "your (or he) arn't(/Isnt) "girlie" are you (is he)" its annoying

But its true for a lot of gays. Why should we only represent one type of gay, because thats offensive to other homosexuals?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

But its true for a lot of gays. Why should we only represent one type of gay, because thats offensive to other homosexuals?

yes but what you don't understand is the majority really isn't queeny... alot arn't ALOT... and we (that half) get sick and tired of always being represented that way... people think the "queens" rule because thats the most standing out type you can think... plus its VERY obvious.... and unfortunatly people believe what they see... and when they don't know alot of strait "acting" (i say acting not as in "faking" but as in a way a persons personality is) they believe that its impossible for a gay guy to not be "obviously" gay

 

[Darthphere]

yes but what you don't understand is the majority really isn't queeny... alot arn't ALOT... and we (that half) get sick and tired of always being represented that way... people think the "queens" rule because thats the most standing out type you can think... plus its VERY obvious.... and unfortunatly people believe what they see... and when they don't know alot of strait "acting" (i say acting not as in "faking" but as in a way a persons personality is) they believe that its impossible for a gay guy to not be "obviously" gay

Do you have statistics to back those claims up? I mean you say the majority aren't "queeny" but is that actually true? I mean, should every black character created be like Luke Cage, because someone percieves that to be how the majority of black people are? Thats ridiculous. The depiction of a "queeny" homosexual is just as correct as any other, and equally as viable. Your argument also has no merit since most gay characters in the Marvel Universe are not "queeny" so we're talking exception to the rule here.

 

[Eros]

yes but what you don't understand is the majority really isn't queeny... alot arn't ALOT... and we (that half) get sick and tired of always being represented that way... people think the "queens" rule because thats the most standing out type you can think... plus its VERY obvious.... and unfortunatly people believe what they see... and when they don't know alot of strait "acting" (i say acting not as in "faking" but as in a way a persons personality is) they believe that its impossible for a gay guy to not be "obviously" gay

You are gay?

 

[deemar325]

Queens are real.

 

[Red Mask]

Hey everybody! This week Luke Cage kicked Elektra in the ****! Now don't you be calling Luke a 'misogynist' now. Elektra's become a villain and a cult leader! It comes with the job.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Do you have statistics to back those claims up? I mean you say the majority aren't "queeny" but is that actually true? I mean, should every black character created be like Luke Cage, because someone percieves that to be how the majority of black people are? Thats ridiculous. The depiction of a "queeny" homosexual is just as correct as any other, and equally as viable. Your argument also has no merit since most gay characters in the Marvel Universe are not "queeny" so we're talking exception to the rule here.

dude.. all im saying is there are alot of us out there... your not going to find statistics on "us" because your not going to get alot of guys taking a test saying "are you queenie or not" hell alot of people think there not queenie when they are.. lol. im just telling you there alot of us out there... i live in LA, i know alot of gay guys... and i know this to be true based on the amount i've met... trust me the angry black male routine is played out too much too like with luke cage and patriot... and i get what your saying by having it be an exception to the rule.. the queenieness is fine.. and its an alternate universe so its not as if it really even counts... but none the less they found a marvel character whos name by todays standard would come off as "gay" ... so they make him that way... the idea behind that is offensive..

 

[Darthphere]

dude.. all im saying is there are alot of us out there... your not going to find statistics on "us" because your not going to get alot of guys taking a test saying "are you queenie or not" hell alot of people think there not queenie when they are.. lol. im just telling you there alot of us out there... i live in LA, i know alot of gay guys... and i know this to be true based on the amount i've met... trust me the angry black male routine is played out too much too like with luke cage and patriot... and i get what your saying by having it be an exception to the rule.. the queenieness is fine.. and its an alternate universe so its not as if it really even counts... but none the less they found a marvel character whos name by todays standard would come off as "gay" ... so they make him that way... the idea behind that is offensive..

Though, you're assuming that. You have no real evidence to back that up. I mean Two-Gun Kid can be percieved as gay as well.

 

[Eros]

Queens are real.

Most gay people I have meant in school, and other places,pretty much fit the stereotype. The truth is, the reason why the "queens" are more known then the averge gay dudes, is because alot of the "Queens" run their mouths, and act like they are above everyone else. Like that Ian guy from American Idol.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Though, you're assuming that. You have no real evidence to back that up. I mean Two-Gun Kid can be percieved as gay as well.

why? guns usually reffer to muscles.. not phallus

All im stating is my point of view coming from a Gay man... as other black men and women have been offeneded by hudlin's remarks coming from doom... i didnt find them offensive... cuz i didnt think they were refered to race but mutant gene... though i would prob think different if i was black... just like you arn't understanding how i feel since im gay

 

[deemar325]

Most gay people I have meant in school, and other places,pretty much fit the stereotype. The truth is, the reason why the "queens" are more known then the averge gay dudes, is because alot of the "Queens" run their mouths, and act like they are above everyone else. Like that Ian guy from American Idol.

The gay people I know are seriously limp wristed. You might find the occassional 'tough guy' homosexual, but usually they're pretty sissyfied.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Most gay people I have meant in school, and other places,pretty much fit the stereotype. The truth is, the reason why the "queens" are more known then the averge gay dudes, is because alot of the "Queens" run their mouths, and act like they are above everyone else. Like that Ian guy from American Idol.

exactly.. plus alot of the "strait" ones don't wanna be thought as, as the "gay guy" that doesnt define who we are.. its just a part of who we are... and alot are closeted.. so you cant always tell if there gay.. hell i know gay guys who knew they were gay for years.. but were so paranoid they slept with women for years... because they couldnt admit to themselves that they were gay

 

[Darthphere]

why? guns usually reffer to muscles.. not phallus

All im stating is my point of view coming from a Gay man... as other black men and women have been offeneded by hudlin's remarks coming from doom... i didnt find them offensive... cuz i didnt think they were refered to race but mutant gene... though i would prob think different if i was black... just like you arn't understanding how i feel since im gay

I understand plenty. I just see this as a gross over reaction.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I understand plenty. I just see this as a gross over reaction.

well you wouldnt.. because you seem to think majority of gay guys are limp wristed femy boys...

 

[Darthphere]

well you wouldnt.. because you seem to think majority of gay guys are limp wristed femy boys...

Yes, because thats what I said. I actually said quite the opposite. To me it seems like you're projecting your own insecurities toward your homosexuality.

 

[deemar325]

well you wouldnt.. because you seem to think majority of gay guys are limp wristed femy boys...

Hey sorry if I offended you Spidey, I'm insensitive at times. I'm just saying dude a good chunk of gay guys mannerisms are like women.


That's not to say a gay dude can't be a person of strong character, just that it's kinda hard to respect a guy who acts in a feminate way.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Hey sorry if I offended you Spidey, I'm insensitive at times. I'm just saying dude a good chunk of gay guys mannerisms are like women.


That's not to say a gay dude can't be a person of strong character, just that it's kinda hard to respect a guy who acts in a feminate way.

o i agree, which is why i get tired of people thinking the majority is that way... you'd be surprised at how many "Strait" actors in hollywood are really gay... and how many "strait" gay guys there are... its just not fun to be lumped into a group full of "fems" when everyone thinks thats what being gay is because that group stands out the most.. because they demand attention... and thats what the media likes to show because its "comical"

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Yes, because thats what I said. I actually said quite the opposite. To me it seems like you're projecting your own insecurities toward your homosexuality.

dude.. im perfectly fine with my sexuality... i just get frustrated when people assume i'm something im not.. and i know alot of "us" feel that way