Marvel's Black & Minority Characters: Roundtable Discussion

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I'm still lost on the Rawhide deal...except the ellusion to bareback sex. But Cottonmouth? I totally get that one. LOL :p

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Wassup with the wack costume? :whatever:

to be honest... rawhide doesnt make me think of bareback sex at first... but been screwed so much that your ass is raw from it... :(
 
to be honest... rawhide doesnt make me think of bareback sex at first... but been screwed so much that your ass is raw from it... :(

Ahhh...I see your point now. That would make for a raw hide I guess. :csad:


Terry78 said:
Cottonmouth, Man-Ape, Bushmaster, Peek-A-Boo. These names. I won't jump the gun about a tad stereotypical, but come on.

Agreed. Those are...questionable choices indeed....
 
Who would you guys rank as the Top 5 most popular Black characters? I'm thinking about doing a related report on this for class....share your numbers with me and why you rank them so.
 
http://www.blacksuperhero.com/

Why Don't "Black Books" Sell?

By Alan Donald
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“Why aren't there more mainstream titles that feature minority characters in prominent roles, and why don't "black books" sell??”

Bill Rosemann: "A tough but necessary question. Is it because most comic book writers are white males, often 'write what they know', and so they choose to make their protagonists white males like themselves? Is it because the characters that are popular today and star in the most books (i.e. the superheroes that have been around since the 50s and 60s) just happen to be great characters, no matter what the skin color is beneath their masks? Obviously, companies would love to publish series with minority main protagonists (i.e. DC's Steel and Milestone line, Marvel's Black Panther and The Crew), but time and again, readership hasn't been enough to keep them going. Basically, I don't have an easy answer...but if readers want to try a book with a black protagonist--that also generates plenty of great reviews--then I humbly suggest they give Negation a try! No matter what his race happens to be, Obregon Kaine is just a cool character, and ultimately that's what people want to read about."


Alan Grant: “Most comic heroes are minority characters. Batman is in a minority of guys whose parents were murdered before their eyes. Superman is in a minority of babies saved from exploding planets. Lobo is in a minority of maniacs who destroyed their own world. Judge Dredd is in a minority of people dedicated to justice.

I've no idea why "black books" don't sell. I've heard uncorroborated reports that DC's "black" line of the 90s folded as much because of editorial profligacy as disappointing sales. I'm pretty sure "black books" sell okay in Africa (Brian Bolland and Dave Gibbons began their careers working on Power Man for--I think--a Nigerian publisher).”


Terry Moore: “I can't answer that question, but I've also noticed most comic shops are owned by white people and comic book conventions attendees are predominantly white. There's a nice ethnic mix sure, but everywhere I go it's mostly white. I don't know about you, but when I'm in a room full of white people now it gives me the creeps... makes me feel like I'm at a Klan meeting or something. It's just wrong, y'know? It's not reality. So why doesn't Strangers In Paradise have more African-Americans in the cast? Because most of the book is a satirical attack on conservative America from within the ranks. I think the barbs sting more if they come from within the ranks and not across race lines.”


Professor William H. Foster III, Comic Book Historian: “’Why aren't there more mainstream titles that feature minority characters in prominent roles, and why don't "black books" sell?’

Actually these are two different questions so let me try to answer them one at a time, and as succinctly as possible.

The first questions asks why aren't there more... And as a comic book historian who specializes in the image of African American in comics, my next question is "More than what?"

What would be the magical number of people of color appearing in mainstream books to be properly "visible" or "enough"? I suppose it depends on your point of view. For comic book readers who have always seen some characters of colors in their reading, and for comic fans from the Silver and Bronze ages of comics, the answers are going to be totally different.

I have a very long view, and look at how much things have changed since the beginning of comics to the present day. With that view, the number of characters of color in comics is very large, very diverse and still increasing.

The problem sometimes appears to be what kind of characters have been presented in the past. If people of a particular race or ethnicity are all represented as one-dimensional stereotypes, that's a real problem. If all women are represented as brainless, helpless victims, all white men as kind-hearted and benevolent heroes and all black people as jive talking evil minded criminals, those are problems.

But in the various worlds created by comic creators where there are is a wide diversity of characters representing both positive and negative points of view, the numbers become less important. If there is only one black character in a comic book and he is a cowardly clown, I am quite naturally upset by that representation. But in a world where there are any number of characters presenting points of view pro and con, good and bad, intelligent and stupid, I don't have a problem.

And let's get real for a minute. Comic books aren't immune to the taint of institutional racism or prejudice any more than any other segment of American society. We want everyone to feel that we are treating everyone the same, when we know that we don't treat everyone the same. It is the cache 22 of racial politics. And yes, there are people who still think if we don't talk about the racial divide in this country, it will go away. Guess again.

There are people who look on any effort to expand the scope of the diversity of comic book characters as communist inspired, and those who feel that more can always be done to change things up a bit. Such is life -- get used to it.

And to answer the second question, actually black books do sell. I just received a message from a long-time African American comic book creator who sells almost exclusively at Black Cultural Fairs and he says he pushed an incredible number of units this past summer. And I have yet to appear at a venue where I am speaking about the history of Blacks in comic books without having a number of people stop me and ask where they can find the titles I spotlighted. My problem has been I can't always readily tell them where to look. Even I have to look very hard to find titles.

Back in the 1990s when Milestone and DC Comics teamed up to produce racially diverse titles, I was told by some of my friends who own comic shops that they weren't sure how to market the titles. So they do sell, it's just that, well, there are some problems to work out.

As I stated earlier, I am very optimistic about the variety of characters of color in today's mainstream comic books.”


Lee Dawson: “I think it's just a question of who's making the comics for who. Most comics creators are young (or not as young as they used to be!) white males. Most comics readers are young white males. I think if there were a more diverse creator base creating comics reflecting their unique experiences and perspectives then the audience might also reflect that diversity as well.”
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Only black superhero book out now that I really read aside from the BP series is Ant. But it comes out so few and far between it's ridiculous. I don't know what's up with Spawn.

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Who would you guys rank as the Top 5 most popular Black characters? I'm thinking about doing a related report on this for class....share your numbers with me and why you rank them so.

marvel wise....

Storm
Black Panther
Luke Cage
Falcon
War Machine


DC included... i'd prob put the black green lantern in there.. somewhere... but theres no doubt in my mind that Storm is the very top black comic character.... other comic wise i'd say spawn would be pretty high on the list...


sooo off the top of my head... a full comic list of popularity would be

Storm
Spawn
Black Panther
Green Lantern
Steel
 
Never cared much for Ant. Couldn't get into it. Firestorm either. And I gave that book plenty of opportunities.
 
Easily the most popular black character is Spidey now that he's wearing the black duds.
 
hey lets make a list of the most racist/stereo typical names in comics... :D

Rawhide Kid and Cotton mouth so far top the list :D
 
Wow. That was lamer than I expected. Nice going there champ.

Thanks. Just trying to keep up with you buddy. ;)

Now, could you add your list of top black characters in comics or contribute in some other meaningful way to the thread? Thanks.
 
Never cared much for Ant. Couldn't get into it. Firestorm either. And I gave that book plenty of opportunities.

Ditto. Ant never did much for me either...in fact, I can't get into much of anything Image produces.
 
Thanks. Just trying to keep up with you buddy. ;)

Now, could you add your list of top black characters in comics or contribute in some other meaningful way to the thread? Thanks.

By quoting something so meaningless?? Damn, I woulda put some more thought into it.
 
By quoting something so meaningless?? Damn, I woulda put some more thought into it.
are you really going out of your way to antagonize a mod...:wow: if he bans you for annoying him I don't wanna hear you whine cause u got banned by the black mod...

on to the matter at hand depends u mean main stream or in our little comic world, two different lists...
 
Antagonize?? No jack, I was just stating what I'd do. Twist it how you want. As far as whining, that ain't me. Won't phase me. And chill on the race thing, I'm not some bigot.
 
Who would you guys rank as the Top 5 most popular Black characters? I'm thinking about doing a related report on this for class....share your numbers with me and why you rank them so.

Storm - Movies, cartoon shows, and ties to the X-men make her the most popular, I think the fact that the character's female plays a bit of a part in her popularity too.

Spawn - I really doesn't seem right to even put him on this list for some reason, but the character was/is black, and was hugely popular at one point.

John Stewart - Only because of the Justice League cartoon, to alot of kids he is THE green lantern, while in the comics he's basically super Token.

Luke Cage - Seems like every black male over 25 loves this character. He's always been one of those D-listers that people have a soft spot for and now thanks to Bendis (and to a lesser extent Nic Cage) he's become a favorite character for many fans.

War Machine - Cartoons play a big part is his popularity too, for the most part he used to get much better treatment than the others (Except Storm of course). Can't ignore the fact that he gets a bit of a popularity boost becasue of his ties to Ironman and the Avengers.

Honorable mentions:

Black Panther - My personal favorite Black Superhero, but most people don't realize this character even exists, and many who do don't really know much about him. :csad:

Static - Cartoons strike again....I don't know who's to blame for it, but it's downright stupid of DC to have not capitalized on the popularity of that show by introducing him into the proper DC universe.

Steel - If not for that horrible movie staring the Shaq (aka the fat traitor) I'd say he's more popular than Static and Black Panther. He's gotten to much needed love in 52 though.

Black Lightining - Same deal as Cage except no writer (or actor) has shown him the level of love Cage gets. Atleast that stopped putting him in that old stupid costume.
 
Terry Moore: “I can't answer that question, but I've also noticed most comic shops are owned by white people and comic book conventions attendees are predominantly white. There's a nice ethnic mix sure, but everywhere I go it's mostly white. I don't know about you, but when I'm in a room full of white people now it gives me the creeps... makes me feel like I'm at a Klan meeting or something. It's just wrong, y'know? It's not reality. So why doesn't Strangers In Paradise have more African-Americans in the cast? Because most of the book is a satirical attack on conservative America from within the ranks. I think the barbs sting more if they come from within the ranks and not across race lines.”

:wow:


I wonder what the reaction would be if i said when I'm in a room full of black people I feel like I'm going to get mugged :whatever:

DOUBLE STANDARD
 
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I wonder what the reaction would be if i said when I'm in a room full of black people I feel like I'm going to get mugged :whatever:

DOUBLE STANDARD
uh hip u just put your foot in it again that quote is from Terry Moore
a white comic artist/writer... let's all dial down our sensitivity a bit shall we
(my apologies fear the bat...)
 
uh hip u just put your foot in it again that quote is from Terry Moore
a white comic artist/writer... let's all dial down our sensitivity a bit shall we
(my apologies fear the bat...)

My bad, I have no idea who terry moore is :o

I was just kinda shocked by the comment.
 
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