Marvel's Black & Minority Characters: Roundtable Discussion

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Well then why doesn't he pull out of his ass whatever he pulled out of his ass last time?

Well actually he sort of will. According to the previews for the next issue the fabled "Galactus contingency plan" from Priest's run is about to finally be revealed in addition to King Solomon's Frogs.
 
I'm still calling BS and bad writting. BP is a great character. however, I want himstanding against characters like Doom, Namor, Stark, and Magneto. He's political and proficient. Not cosmics. I mean this would be as bad as if here were on the streets of New York having trouble fighting the Shocker.



Wow...somebody with some common sense!!


BP is not on par with the Surfer!! He's just a guy!! An exceptional guy...but still a guy.

There just seems to be this forced "Hudlinization" of this character to make him more than he is!

I mean "Star Dust" rolls in and dispatches BP & Ben with no problem.
 
Wow, you still don't get.


No. I don't think you get it. Was there a thought balloon with Surfer thinking that he wanted to hear what BP had to say? I didn't see it. And that is a stretch just to make your point.

BP said he'd tear off the Surfer's arm if he tried to break free. Plain and simple. Which was just stupid. It's like Bruce Wayne having Superman in some exotic wrestling hold. It makes no sense.
 
And how did they know wher to find the "ultimate nullifer"??? And even if they knew where it was, surely Utau would have had it under security that only another Watcher could break.

Is the Watcher that sloppy??
 
Look, McDuffie himself has stated that scene was not intended to give people the idea that Panther could beat the Surfer and that it really was a bluff.
 
Still doesn't excuse the fact that it was a poorly written scene
 
I know I m late in this thread I but have to ask: What do you think of Marvel turning white super hero in to black or other race? Don t you think its lazy and delicate? I mean when you know that they changed nick fury just to have samuel to play the actor I think it s none sence. Why not create new ethnic super hero instead?
 
I know I m late in this thread I but have to ask: What do you think of Marvel turning white super hero in to black or other race? Don t you think its lazy and delicate? I mean when you know that they changed nick fury just to have samuel to play the actor I think it s none sence. Why not create new ethnic super hero instead?

My preference like yours is the creation of new characters rather than the reinvention of old ones. Its nice to see new minority characters like Guantlet in Avengers the Initiative.
 
HEY! you can trash talk BP all you want, but You start hating on SG, and we're going to have a problem
 
But T'Challa beat the fantastic four by himself, right? He's no ordinary no-powers scrub.
 
He actually does have powers. He has superhuman senses (akin to Wolverine), and I believe Captain America level physical atributes.
 
Why aren't there more (any?) minority characters that aren't of "street-level" power? The only person I can think of is Sunfire...One of the reasons I found John Stewart in the JLU cartoon to be so fascinating...was that the cosmic cop representing planet Earth was a brother. How about some minorities with some ****ing influence...

And while we're at it, can we get some more Middle Eastern characters in the MU for chrissakes? I mean, that one chick from New X-Men is a start, but honestly...the full Muslim gear? :ninja: Goddamn....Not every brown person is Muslim and many female Muslim Americans don't feel the need to cover up when they're not confined by the laws of Muslim Republics (like Iran, for example, where it's the LAW to cover up).
 
Chill Madison.

You want a minority with power, how about T'Challa. a black man who runs one of the most powerful nations on the planet.

Firebird, Bonita, is fairly powerful.

Ben Grimm is jewish

Magneto is a Gypsy (For that matter so are his kids and Dr. Doom)

War Machine is Black

Gauntlet is black, AND has been serving as a soldier in Iraq until recalled to work for the initiative.

Muslim characters? Well It's kind of hard because Islam is a very disciplined religion. Dusk does not wear her burqa because she's following Iranian laws, she wears it out of modesty (which is probably influenced by her faith). The same reason you probably don't go parading down the street in a banana-hammock.
 
Arabian Knight and that chick from New X-Men....and that's about it.
 
Sabra? Freedom Force had to rescue some dude from a Middle Eastern super powered group, Arabian Knight was one of them. So, there's more than half a dozen of them.:o

Edit: I know Sabra is Jewish; this isn't in response to the Muslim characters but rather in response to the Middle Eastern comment.
 
I know I m late in this thread I but have to ask: What do you think of Marvel turning white super hero in to black or other race? Don t you think its lazy and delicate? I mean when you know that they changed nick fury just to have samuel to play the actor I think it s none sence. Why not create new ethnic super hero instead?
It wasn't simply just to have a minority or something. Nick Fury was created to symbolize "cool" of the time. 616 Fury was made after a movie star of his time (who's name I forget).
But T'Challa beat the fantastic four by himself, right? He's no ordinary no-powers scrub.

He used tech and such to beat them if I remember correctly.
 
Chill Madison.

You want a minority with power, how about T'Challa. a black man who runs one of the most powerful nations on the planet.

Firebird, Bonita, is fairly powerful.

Ben Grimm is jewish

Magneto is a Gypsy (For that matter so are his kids and Dr. Doom)

War Machine is Black

Gauntlet is black, AND has been serving as a soldier in Iraq until recalled to work for the initiative.

Muslim characters? Well It's kind of hard because Islam is a very disciplined religion. Dusk does not wear her burqa because she's following Iranian laws, she wears it out of modesty (which is probably influenced by her faith). The same reason you probably don't go parading down the street in a banana-hammock.

The funny thing is even in Iran the women don't were the burqa so extensively. They usually just were headscarves pulled back slightly to reveal a little hair in a quasi-fashionable way. The burqa in truth is only enforced in Saudi and the other Emirate countries. You look at Syria which pretty much has no royalty anymore (or oil) but are still pretty liberal as compared to the rest of the Arab Middle East save Egypt which is pretty much a quagmire of cultures trying to coexist (unsuccessfully). The only reason Syria ever gets a bad rap in the media is becauseof their stance towards Israel which automatically makes them an enemy of the West.

What about Sirocco from DC?
 
I know I m late in this thread I but have to ask: What do you think of Marvel turning white super hero in to black or other race? Don t you think its lazy and delicate? I mean when you know that they changed nick fury just to have samuel to play the actor I think it s none sence. Why not create new ethnic super hero instead?

I'm not concerned about race at all... It's moronoc laziness that bugs me.
You are correct... why not simply create new, fresh characters rather than simply continuing to ride Stan's coattails?

I'll tell you.

Because that would take creativity and involve taking some risks. Joey don't play that. He'll tweak someone else's creation and say, "look at how fascinatingly talented I am." Right.
 
Chill Madison.

Oh. Saying **** or goddamn doesn't mean i'm angry...that's just my ****ing vernacular :woot:

You want a minority with power, how about T'Challa. a black man who runs one of the most powerful nations on the planet.

I like him. Even if he's being a bit forced down our throats.

Firebird, Bonita, is fairly powerful.

:dry:

Ben Grimm is jewish

You forgot to mention Kitty Pryde. And when Stan Lee was writing Spidey you could've made a case for him too (Spidey's a WASP, which i suppose makes sense if he's the most "relatable" character).

I wouldn't know that Grimm or Pryde were Jewish unless they told me (and there are PLENTY of Jews who couldn't necessarily "pass" for WASPs, for example, Jesus is anglicized by Western artists but he probably looks more like a "terrorist" who let himself go)

Magneto is a Gypsy (For that matter so are his kids and Dr. Doom)

Villains...yay...how "appropriate" considering gypsies have constantly been villainized throughout their history...

War Machine is Black

And if he wasn't...he'd be pretty redundant eh?

Gauntlet is black, AND has been serving as a soldier in Iraq until recalled to work for the initiative.

I still don't know what to think of him...he fulfills a stereotype but not necessarily a racial one (whites are ******* drill sergeants too :woot:). I'm interested in what Slott will do with him.

Muslim characters? Well It's kind of hard because Islam is a very disciplined religion. Dusk does not wear her burqa because she's following Iranian laws, she wears it out of modesty (which is probably influenced by her faith). The same reason you probably don't go parading down the street in a banana-hammock.

....I know that....my point is that most American female Muslims I know DON'T do that. Of course, I've met some who do and it's for understandable reasons of faith. I guess our ethnocentric culture just has to pull out the most extreme stereotypes before we can finally get a glimpse of a balanced "ethnic" character. It's the equivalent of other countries assuming all Americans are primarily characterized by wearing Blue Jeans, eating McDonalds, and watching old John Travolta films (surprisingly, a lot of people think this...:csad:).

I mean, like it was pointed out earlier, many of the Black and Asian characters in the MU were introduced in the 70's (Shang Chi, Luke Cage) and follow some expected stereotypes of the time (Martial Arts Master, Blaxploitation Action Star).

Well the 00's are the brown man's 70's. No one knows anything about us. So let's trot out the easy representations that Americans are fascinated by (Kung Fu, "Street Smarts", Sexy Asian Chicks, Burqa's, and generic villain cannon fodder....Hand Ninjas anyone?) . I know I'm not saying anything particularly new nor am i saying i don't get it (cause i do...and for some reason that pains me), i'm just venting about how annoying it is to know that the only time i'll see a brown man in a comic book is when Superman is busting terrorists or when Black Adam (although, i guess you could say HE's brown) demolishes the Middle East....or when Arabian Knight comes to the rescue....or when that burqa chick manipulates sand (:whatever:) or whatever....
 
Since Falcon is one the first black super hero in Marvel, don t you think they should do a movie? he s not my favorit but with some good writer and good director maybe it would work?
 
Since Falcon is one the first black super hero in Marvel, don t you think they should do a movie? he s not my favorit but with some good writer and good director maybe it would work?

Blackpanther was the first, but I think Falcon was the first Marvel black hero not to have "Black" as part of his name.
 
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