Marvel's Black & Minority Characters: Roundtable Discussion

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Hudlin is the worse thing to happen to black characters in the Marvel Universe. I'll never forgive him for making BP utter the line "You're straight trippin' boo."

Amen. :csad:

He really...really doesn't get Storm. At all. I've noticed that lately her eyes don't even go white when she manipulates the weather. I read somewhere that he feels this power manifestation (glowing eyes) somehow competes with T'Challa's greatness, so he's been instructing artists to stop drawing her that way. :rolleyes: He's taken one of Marvel's greatest black heroines and stripped away everything decent about her in favor of appealing to the lowest common denominator--his BET-ridden audience. :o I haven't caught the last 3 issues of BP but I really hope they've gotten it together.

Oh...and speaking of stereotypes: he made Dr. Doom a fricken racist! :cmad:
 
Really? :wow: That's just so incredibly stupid. Doom couldn't give a **** about skin color.

My sentiments exactly. It....was disgusting.

First Doom made some comment that black people are superior physical specimens which compensates for their lack of intellect. He then went on to make "Tonto" jokes about T'Challa and said that the only reason the King had any level of smarts was due to a probable "low-grade" mutant strain.

It was offensive--and not just because I'm a man of color. It was offensive because it was stupid...it was wack for the sheer sake of being wack. It read as if Hudlin was deliberately trying to sew in racial conflict in any way he could...even if it meant taking Doom out of character.
 
^Yeah, that is a bit much. Doctor Doom wants EVERYONE to bow to him, not just the minorities.
 
He made the entire nation of LATVERIA racist.

When the King of a nation who is also an Avenger and a super hero walks down the street casually in costume beside his Queen who also happens to be a renowned super hero and X-man...

...People stare at them....

And the Panther tells Storm "It's because we're black!"

That made me smack my forehead. And then he destroyed the character of Doom, yes. Let us not forget though...

He made him a misogynist too!
 
Oh, I know what you're talking about. You know, Reggie got busted by Comic Book Resources. The Black Panther MB over at Alvaro's (that's where I co-mod an FF board) found out he was posting under multiple ID's --- trying to post both as himself and a fan who likes his work! That tells you something there (I will see if I can find the link later)

But getting back to Doom, there is a very old story written by Gerry Conway back in the Astonishing Tales series. Doom tries to sneak into Wakanda and mine some of the vibranium and I think there is a remark where he uses the term "savages". Again, I have to dig that up. I suspect that's where it came from because that was recently reprinted in Essential Super Villian Team Up. The story also was incorrect in giving the impression that Wakanda was a bit backward without the thriving economy in the FF stories. Doom does come away in the end having gained respect for T'Challa.

There are far more events that point to the contrary which to me would negate this one aberration. For example, in the graphic novel, "Emperor Doom", one of his first acts was to eliminate the aparthetid government in South Africa (this was pre-Nelson Mandela). Also, when Doom came back from the Secret Wars and was shut out of Latveria by Kristoff-Doom, he sought out T'Challa to provide him with asylum, which was granted. Of course, he turned on everyone to further his own ends in that story :cwink:

Before Hudlin took over BP (and I truly miss Priest), T'Challa had a big summit meeting with all the monarchs of the MU in his old classroom in NYC in the "Sturm und Drang" storyline. Namor, Magneto, they guy from Lemuria (forgot his name) and Doom all answered his summons, which again would tell me there is still some degree of mutual respect.

My feeling on the matter is Doom would not single out an ethnic group, like the Red Skull, to feel superior to... he feels he is superior to EVERYONE. If anything, if one were to compare Victor's life experiences to T'Challa's, he would be more aware of the evils of racism that T'Challa. After all, he and his Romany tribe the Zefiro were considered the lowest of the low in Latveria while T'Challa lived in a homogenous society and at the very top rung of the ladder.
 
I don't read Hudlin's BP anymore,but I find all this fan backlash funny as hell.
 
See, I could buy Doom being racist but only if it was against everyone who wasn't, well, Doom. Doom is Doomist, in that, if you're not Doom, you're clearly inferior and oftentimes he will go to great lengths to illustrate just how inferior one really is to the glory that is Doom.

Hudlin, well, Hudlin didn't do that.
 
Iron Maiden said:
My feeling on the matter is Doom would not single out an ethnic group, like the Red Skull, to feel superior to... he feels he is superior to EVERYONE. If anything, if one were to compare Victor's life experiences to T'Challa's, he would be more aware of the evils of racism that T'Challa. After all, he and his Romany tribe the Zefiro were considered the lowest of the low in Latveria while T'Challa lived in a homogenous society and at the very top rung of the ladder.

Exactly.

Victor is a gypsy. He of all people should understand the ills of prejudice. Not saying that minorities can't be bigots too--they can--but Doom has never struck me as one. He wants complete domination, but over all, not just one race.

I thought Hudlin's racist "take" on Victor is yet another example of his lack of understanding and research on these characters.

I also think that his BP book has actually taken high profile black characters like Storm and T'Challa several steps back, not forward.
 
Doctor Of Doom said:
He made him a misogynist too!

Oh, you mean all his snide remarks to T'Challa to get his "female" under subjection? Yeah. :rolleyes:

There is no way in the world the REAL Storm would've taken that comment with a "what's wrong beloved?"
 
Man, that whole Hudlin messageboard thing was embarassing, isnt he like the CEO of BET, wow.
 
Doom is way to classy to reduce himself to any form of bigotry.

Agreed. What's most infuriating to me is that this Hudlin guy is BLACK and yet he's revamping characters who don't have a history of bigotry and deliberately giving them this ailment. There are a thousand different ways of creating inter-character conflict and tension without pulling the ******ed race card.

Resorting to such means is both stupid and shows a lack of creativity. :down:whatever:
 
He pretty much just got caught posting on a messageboard under his name and a few other names acting like fans of his book.
 
He pretty much just got caught posting on a messageboard under his name and a few other names acting like fans of his book.

Ah, you're talking about what Iron Maiden was referring to? Heh. :rolleyes: Yeah, I'd heard something similar from another site. It's predictable behavior. You know your book sucks when....:rolleyes:

And you're right...he should be far above that...but ego and ambition knows no bounds...especially when you've pissed off 90% of your fanbase. LOL
 
Oh, I know what you're talking about. You know, Reggie got busted by Comic Book Resources. The Black Panther MB over at Alvaro's (that's where I co-mod an FF board) found out he was posting under multiple ID's --- trying to post both as himself and a fan who likes his work! That tells you something there (I will see if I can find the link later)

But getting back to Doom, there is a very old story written by Gerry Conway back in the Astonishing Tales series. Doom tries to sneak into Wakanda and mine some of the vibranium and I think there is a remark where he uses the term "savages". Again, I have to dig that up. I suspect that's where it came from because that was recently reprinted in Essential Super Villian Team Up. The story also was incorrect in giving the impression that Wakanda was a bit backward without the thriving economy in the FF stories. Doom does come away in the end having gained respect for T'Challa.

There are far more events that point to the contrary which to me would negate this one aberration. For example, in the graphic novel, "Emperor Doom", one of his first acts was to eliminate the aparthetid government in South Africa (this was pre-Nelson Mandela). Also, when Doom came back from the Secret Wars and was shut out of Latveria by Kristoff-Doom, he sought out T'Challa to provide him with asylum, which was granted. Of course, he turned on everyone to further his own ends in that story :cwink:

Before Hudlin took over BP (and I truly miss Priest), T'Challa had a big summit meeting with all the monarchs of the MU in his old classroom in NYC in the "Sturm und Drang" storyline. Namor, Magneto, they guy from Lemuria (forgot his name) and Doom all answered his summons, which again would tell me there is still some degree of mutual respect.

My feeling on the matter is Doom would not single out an ethnic group, like the Red Skull, to feel superior to... he feels he is superior to EVERYONE. If anything, if one were to compare Victor's life experiences to T'Challa's, he would be more aware of the evils of racism that T'Challa. After all, he and his Romany tribe the Zefiro were considered the lowest of the low in Latveria while T'Challa lived in a homogenous society and at the very top rung of the ladder.

I also seem to remember Doom romancing Ororo a bit over in Uncanny X-Men...dont remember the exact issue, but it was shortly after Byrne left...maybe around #145 or so...

Hudlin needs to do his homework.
 
Even though I dislike Hudlin, he posted once or twice to support his own argument. It's really not that big of a deal.
 
Someday we will see a visual of Doom slaying a minion for programming a Doombot to be racist.
 
Even though I dislike Hudlin, he posted once or twice to support his own argument. It's really not that big of a deal.

What did he have to say?

As far as it not being a big deal...I dunno Harlekin. To me, it's just another glaring example of his lack of interest in being faithful to these characters' personalities. Storm and T'Challa are BLACK. We get it. But does their ethnicity have to bleed through every panel, conversation, and relationship the two characters have? Must iconic villains like Dr. Doom, etc., be rewritten to also have a racist bone just to offset their blackness?

CaptainStacy said:
I also seem to remember Doom romancing Ororo a bit over in Uncanny X-Men...dont remember the exact issue, but it was shortly after Byrne left...maybe around #145 or so...

Hudlin needs to do his homework.

Someone correct me, but wasn't that retconned by Victor himself? I seem to recall him claiming that it was a defective Doombot that fell for Storm.

*goes to search stacks*
 
What did he have to say?

As far as it not being a big deal...I dunno Harlekin. To me, it's just another glaring example of his lack of interest in being faithful to these characters' personalities. Storm and T'Challa are BLACK. We get it. But does their ethnicity have to bleed through every panel, conversation, and relationship the two characters have? Must iconic villains like Dr. Doom, etc., be rewritten to also have a racist bone just to offset their blackness?



Someone correct me, but wasn't that retconned by Victor himself? I seem to recall him claiming that it was a defective Doombot that fell for Storm.

*goes to search stacks*


Dont recall, but if so, that Doombot definitely had good taste! :cwink:
 
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