Comics Marvel's November 2007 Solicit Preview

I can't believe people still buy Ultimate crap... :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

:oldrazz:
 
I like ultimate spider-man and ultimate fantastic four.
 
Awww, I thought this was a preview for everything, but it's just the crappy Ultimate titles :csad:
 
Don't forget good ol' OMD!

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AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #545
Written by J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI
Pencils & 50/50 Cover by JOE QUESADA
50/50 Cover by MARKO DJURDJEVIC
“ONE MORE DAY” PART 4
The riveting conclusion to the most-talked about -- and controversial -- comics event of the year. Brought to you by J. Michael Straczynski and Joe Quesada. Brace yourself, Spidey fans, after this, nothing will be the same for Peter Parker!
The stakes have never been higher. At his darkest hours -- and he's had plenty -- Peter has always had one shoulder to lean on, one person who'd remind him who he is, who he was, and who he can be. Now he's about to lose that person. What will he do...what would you do, if you only had "One More Day?”
48 PGS./Rated A …$3.99

:csad:
 
Don't forget good ol' OMD!

ASM545COV_TD_FLAT.jpg


AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #545
Written by J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI
Pencils & 50/50 Cover by JOE QUESADA
50/50 Cover by MARKO DJURDJEVIC
“ONE MORE DAY” PART 4
The riveting conclusion to the most-talked about -- and controversial -- comics event of the year. Brought to you by J. Michael Straczynski and Joe Quesada. Brace yourself, Spidey fans, after this, nothing will be the same for Peter Parker!
The stakes have never been higher. At his darkest hours -- and he's had plenty -- Peter has always had one shoulder to lean on, one person who'd remind him who he is, who he was, and who he can be. Now he's about to lose that person. What will he do...what would you do, if you only had "One More Day?”
48 PGS./Rated A …$3.99

:csad:

How many f***ing times have we heard "Brace yourself, Spidey fans, after this, nothing will be the same for Peter Parker", in the past 5 years?! Seriously!! Enough!!

I'm seriously contemplating not even giving this a shot, and reading it all in the shop. We all KNOW what they are going to do. MJ will be gone as Peter's wife. We've all read "Swing Shift", and everyone here noticed that Peter DOES NOT have on a wedding band, doesn't mention MJ, and we say a VERY horribly designed character in the form of "Jackpot", which is clearly the "New MJ".

I think I'm just going to drop all the Spider-titles...including Ultimate. I love Immomen's art, but the story in USM has just started to interest me less and less...and now ASM will follow an older single Peter Parker.

Great, I guess we'll just see how far Joey Q will go to alienate the long-time fans...:cmad:
 
Yeh......i don't see many fans clamoring for an ending of the marriage and to turn MJ into a crime fighter instead.

:whatever:

Sheesh.
 
Yeh......i don't see many fans clamoring for an ending of the marriage and to turn MJ into a crime fighter instead.

:whatever:

Sheesh.

I don't recall any debates or problems with the marriage before Joe Q started b****in' about it. I guess being EIC of Marvel means that you get whatever the hell you want...no matter how bent the fans are against it.
 
Before we all have JQ's head on the chopping block, let's not forget that MANY WRITERS have complained over the last 20 years about taking on Spider-Man writing assignments because they feel that they can't write the stories they want to tell with a married Spider-Man, including Roger Stern & Marv Wolfman, who have had the BEST runs on Amazing Spider-Man not including Stan Lee.

So perhaps this "controversy" is more an "in-house" problem than an actual fanboy problem.

Having said that, I want to be entertained with excellent storytelling, so I'll have to wait and read OMD before passing judgement. While I may not like the outcome, if it's a plausible explanation and within Peter's character (taking into account of how his life is pretty much destroyed), then I'll go along with it.

Remember, if the internet had existed in 1973, Gwen's death would have been retconned within 6 months... :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

:csad:
 
"The stakes have never been higher. At his darkest hours -- and he's had plenty -- Peter has always had one shoulder to lean on, one person who'd remind him who he is, who he was, and who he can be. Now he's about to lose that person."

I really liked that story the first time I read it. It was called "Amazing Spider-Man #400." That was a well-done, sober story. Here we get the Jerry Springer meets Payton Place version.

Hey, Joey: You have to actually HAVE new ideas to be called "the House of Ideas!"
 
Don't forget good ol' OMD!

ASM545COV_TD_FLAT.jpg


AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #545
Written by J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI
Pencils & 50/50 Cover by JOE QUESADA
50/50 Cover by MARKO DJURDJEVIC
“ONE MORE DAY” PART 4
The riveting conclusion to the most-talked about -- and controversial -- comics event of the year. Brought to you by J. Michael Straczynski and Joe Quesada. Brace yourself, Spidey fans, after this, nothing will be the same for Peter Parker!
The stakes have never been higher. At his darkest hours -- and he's had plenty -- Peter has always had one shoulder to lean on, one person who'd remind him who he is, who he was, and who he can be. Now he's about to lose that person. What will he do...what would you do, if you only had "One More Day?”
48 PGS./Rated A …$3.99

:csad:

Dang, I wish they would quit it with all of this life changing event junk.:csad:
 
Remember, if the internet had existed in 1973, Gwen's death would have been retconned within 6 months... :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

:csad:
THAT'S IT!!! TMOB, you've given my life purpose! I'll invent a time machine, go back to 1970 and then invent the internet (with polluter #1 Al Gore's help, of course!). Then, I'll return to read my ALL NEW back issues! Then I'll come online and read about how much Joey wants to end Pete & Gwen's marriage simply because no one can truly love a Joey Q. Awwwwww....
 
THAT'S IT!!! TMOB, you've given my life purpose!

I thought your purpose in life was the destruction of Reed Richards, world domination & the liberation of your mother's soul from Mephisto's realm...

:huh: :huh: :huh:

:cwink:
 
I thought your purpose in life was 1) the destruction of Reed Richards, 2) world domination & 3) the liberation of your mother's soul from Mephisto's realm...

:huh: :huh: :huh:

:cwink:
Have you not been paying attention?!?

1) Read Civil War: DONE

2) ALL bow before me and I've recently gotten DSL.

3) Taken care of... almost got rid of Strange simultaneously.

Now if I could just figure out how I lived so long without high-speed internet...
 
Wow, a great month it appear's to be! Spider-Man/Red Sonja look's interesting, Ultimate look's interesting, along with all the other book's that month!:yay:
 
Before we all have JQ's head on the chopping block, let's not forget that MANY WRITERS have complained over the last 20 years about taking on Spider-Man writing assignments because they feel that they can't write the stories they want to tell with a married Spider-Man, including Roger Stern & Marv Wolfman, who have had the BEST runs on Amazing Spider-Man not including Stan Lee.

So perhaps this "controversy" is more an "in-house" problem than an actual fanboy problem.

Having said that, I want to be entertained with excellent storytelling, so I'll have to wait and read OMD before passing judgement. While I may not like the outcome, if it's a plausible explanation and within Peter's character (taking into account of how his life is pretty much destroyed), then I'll go along with it.

Remember, if the internet had existed in 1973, Gwen's death would have been retconned within 6 months... :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

:csad:


Very wise words my friend.:yay:
 
Before we all have JQ's head on the chopping block, let's not forget that MANY WRITERS have complained over the last 20 years about taking on Spider-Man writing assignments because they feel that they can't write the stories they want to tell with a married Spider-Man, including Roger Stern & Marv Wolfman, who have had the BEST runs on Amazing Spider-Man not including Stan Lee.

So perhaps this "controversy" is more an "in-house" problem than an actual fanboy problem.

Having said that, I want to be entertained with excellent storytelling, so I'll have to wait and read OMD before passing judgement. While I may not like the outcome, if it's a plausible explanation and within Peter's character (taking into account of how his life is pretty much destroyed), then I'll go along with it.

Remember, if the internet had existed in 1973, Gwen's death would have been retconned within 6 months... :whatever:

:csad:

All very good points, which makes me all the more worried.

It seems like JQ doesn't mind being yelled at, (as we all know,) so being the 1st major creator stating his point of view, more and more creators are crawling out of the woodwork agreeing with 'no marriage,' sentiment. Sadly.

Once again, saying all that, Stant the man has NO PROBLEM writing a married MJ and Pete very well, in his Spidey strip, why can't all the 'contemporary,' writers do that?:huh:

What I find most ironic, is that JQ has stated PLENTY of times, that compared to DC, the difference with Marvel and their characters, is Marvel treat their characters more as 'characters,' and less like 'icons.'

But funilly enough, he OPENLY says that Spidey needs to be treated as an 'icon,' :huh: :huh:

It'd be really tough for me personally, as whenever I'm asked by someone what's been so special about Spidey, I've said again and again, that I LOVE the development Spidey has had over the years.

NO OTHER MAJOR COMIC CHARACTER IN HISTORY has ever developed like Spidey has. IMO, that's EXACTLY why people are so attached to him. My own girlfriend, (who before meeting me, didn't hold much of an interest in comics,) noticed it too. She told me that compared to so many other characters, Peter Parker feels a lot more 'real,' to her.

I dunno, don't want to yell before anything has been published, but I've already heard some stuff from inside sources. I've been told some guys who hold a major comic con, that it's going to be one of the biggest piles of crap ever, and Spidey sales will reach a major low. :csad: He basically said it going to be a VERY BAD new status quo. With bad plot ideas.

When I asked why, seeing as the fans don't want it, (bear in mind, these guys OBVIOUSLY have spent time a lot of time talking with JQ,) the only response I got was, 'he's a dick.'

Now, the guy may have been yanking my chain on Marvel's behalf to hold back on a a great story, but I got the feeling he was telling the truth.

:csad:
 
All very good points, which makes me all the more worried.

It seems like JQ doesn't mind being yelled at, (as we all know,) so being the 1st major creator stating his point of view, more and more creators are crawling out of the woodwork agreeing with 'no marriage,' sentiment. Sadly.

Once again, saying all that, Stant the man has NO PROBLEM writing a married MJ and Pete very well, in his Spidey strip, why can't all the 'contemporary,' writers do that?:huh:

What I find most ironic, is that JQ has stated PLENTY of times, that compared to DC, the difference with Marvel and their characters, is Marvel treat their characters more as 'characters,' and less like 'icons.'

But funilly enough, he OPENLY says that Spidey needs to be treated as an 'icon,' :huh: :huh:

It'd be really tough for me personally, as whenever I'm asked by someone what's been so special about Spidey, I've said again and again, that I LOVE the development Spidey has had over the years.

NO OTHER MAJOR COMIC CHARACTER IN HISTORY has ever developed like Spidey has. IMO, that's EXACTLY why people are so attached to him. My own girlfriend, (who before meeting me, didn't hold much of an interest in comics,) noticed it too. She told me that compared to so many other characters, Peter Parker feels a lot more 'real,' to her.

I dunno, don't want to yell before anything has been published, but I've already heard some stuff from inside sources. I've been told some guys who hold a major comic con, that it's going to be one of the biggest piles of crap ever, and Spidey sales will reach a major low. :csad: He basically said it going to be a VERY BAD new status quo. With bad plot ideas.

When I asked why, seeing as the fans don't want it, (bear in mind, these guys OBVIOUSLY have spent time a lot of time talking with JQ,) the only response I got was, 'he's a dick.'

Now, the guy may have been yanking my chain on Marvel's behalf to hold back on a a great story, but I got the feeling he was telling the truth.

:csad:

Ugh...sounds horrible.

That's what I don't get: Marvel characters have always gorwn and changed. Reed & Sue got married, and had kids. Peter and MJ got married. Daredevil got married. The entire cast of the X-Men grows and changes all the time. Each character on the Avengers has a rich istory with multiple marriages, divorces, kids, etc.

Conversely, DC doesn't allow much room for growth with their characters. Batman will NEVER be married. He will never raise a child (yes, I know he has a son that was raised in secret by Talia...lame). Superman married Lois Lane. Wow. We didn't see that coming. He will never have a kid, though....unless it's in a bad movie or something. Green Lantern was replaced by another Green Lantern, and they just brought the old one back.

Now, I know, these characters are ICONS....that isn't being debated. However, it does make for some damned boring comics. Superman will always win...he'll always come home to Lois Lane, and he'll always work at the Daily Planet. Batman will always be rich, he will always operate out of Gotham, and he will never be married, because he is Batman. This is just the way it is, and, every once in awhile, we get some kickass stories about these characters, and then the writer leaves, and the same stuff happens again...and then, after 10 years, there will be a crisis, and anything that has changed will be undone.

The last part is my problem. I don't want Marvel to resort to a "crisis" everytime they do something stupid. The unmasking....the "Other"....Sins Past...all these things can be undone within continuity. Hell, Marvel coudl ask about 30 people from this board alone, and they could have everything fixed.

Unfortunately, that won't sell books. They need the gimmicks, the big "shock" events. I guess it's the state of the industry, now. The 90's revolved around gimmicky covers and killing characters, and now, the 00's revolves around gimmicky crossovers and killing characters. Superman and Captain America are just collateral damage for the decades in which they were killed. Looks like Spider-man's marriage, which has stood for almost 20 years, will now fall victim to the same killer.

Yeah, I know, this may all be some "in-house" problem. The writers may be able to tell stories more easily with a single Peter Parker than with a married one. Great. How many disposable love interests are we going to have to endure. "I can't think of any ideas....let's bring in a new love interest!" It will soon come to pass. We'll get rid of Mary Jane as his wife, and then we'll watch Peter Parker shuffle through dead-end relationship after dead-end relationship....because we KNOW he'll never be allowed to have anything more than a semi-serious relationship. Ugh.

I really WANT to like One More Day. I WANT to LOVE Brand New Day. I just don't think I'll be able to do it. I honestly feel that all the talent has been put on the books as an attempt to keep the longtime fans who will leave when the marriage ends. "Hey....all the longtime fans want Dan Slott and a 'hot' artist on Amazing Spider-Man....how about we give it to them as an incentive to stay on a book that we've intentionally ruined? GO TEAM MARVEL!"

I hope I'm wrong. I hope this is all misdirection, and JMS finally gives us a storyarc that reminds us of how great the Spider-Man titles can be....unfortunately, I hoped that with "The Other", as well. Fool me once, shame on you...
 
Your soo ABSOLUTELY right Shinlyle. I mean come on, if Peter starts dating again, how the heck does Marvel expect us to take any of those relationships seriously?? If they get rid of MJ, thats it. Thats it for Peter's love life. How can there be anyone who compares to MJ? The only slightly possible person i can think of is Black Cat, and they've been hinting lately that she STILL loves him. But does Peter feel the same way? Doubt it. How could anybody replace a character thats been around since the 70's??
 
Before we all have JQ's head on the chopping block, let's not forget that MANY WRITERS have complained over the last 20 years about taking on Spider-Man writing assignments because they feel that they can't write the stories they want to tell with a married Spider-Man, including Roger Stern & Marv Wolfman, who have had the BEST runs on Amazing Spider-Man not including Stan Lee.

So perhaps this "controversy" is more an "in-house" problem than an actual fanboy problem.

Having said that, I want to be entertained with excellent storytelling, so I'll have to wait and read OMD before passing judgement. While I may not like the outcome, if it's a plausible explanation and within Peter's character (taking into account of how his life is pretty much destroyed), then I'll go along with it.

Remember, if the internet had existed in 1973, Gwen's death would have been retconned within 6 months... :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

:csad:


If it were up to me, i'd leave them married...however, I have no problem whatsoever with MJ being written out of the book. MJ has been written out twice before (since i've been a fan), and i didnt miss her in the least either time. As i often say, the book is called The Amazing Spider-Man...not The Amazing Spider-Man and Mary Jane. :yay:


That said; i think we may actually end up with the death of Aunt May instead of an MJ revamp....
 
I'm seriously contemplating not even giving this a shot, and reading it all in the shop. We all KNOW what they are going to do. MJ will be gone as Peter's wife. We've all read "Swing Shift", and everyone here noticed that Peter DOES NOT have on a wedding band, doesn't mention MJ, and we say a VERY horribly designed character in the form of "Jackpot", which is clearly the "New MJ".

I think I'm just going to drop all the Spider-titles...including Ultimate. I love Immomen's art, but the story in USM has just started to interest me less and less...and now ASM will follow an older single Peter Parker.

Great, I guess we'll just see how far Joey Q will go to alienate the long-time fans...:cmad:
I'm not buying it...

I was on board (hoping for the best with a wait and see attitude) for Sins Past, House of M, the Other, New Avengers, Civil War, etc... and I'm not doing it again. Quite frankly, THIS time the stakes are too high.

Since Sins Past I've been running on fumes with ASM... I really loved the Hydra arc, and the recent issues of Back in Black have been good... but all indications say that this upcoming story is going to be the WORST betrayal yet. And after you've given them money for it, they don't care what you think. :mad:

Seriously. This isn't just another dumb story that will pass... It's major, and it's effects will be long lasting. And for me, it means current Spider-Man no more...

If you do NOT want to SUPPORT Joey Qs destruction of the marriage, DO NOT BUY One More Day.

If you don't want years of crap being added to continuity
, DO NOT BUY One More Day.

Because if we are RIGHT, we have just rewarded him for forcing his wrongheaded agenda down our throats. :mad:

But, if we are all wrong... the issues (and I'm sure hardcover) will still be there, and I'll happily reward them... :)
 

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