Comics Marvel's November 2007 Solicit Preview

[Blader5489]

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.1441.First_Look:_Spider-Man_in_November
Spidey in November

Premiere edition of Ultimate Venom? Isn't it kinda too late?

This is probably just a promo thing to build hype for Venom's return in The Ultimates 3, which is the month after.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I'm not buying it...

I was on board (hoping for the best with a wait and see attitude) for Sins Past, House of M, the Other, New Avengers, Civil War, etc... and I'm not doing it again. Quite frankly, THIS time the stakes are too high.

Since Sins Past I've been running on fumes with ASM... I really loved the Hydra arc, and the recent issues of Back in Black have been good... but all indications say that this upcoming story is going to be the WORST betrayal yet. And after you've given them money for it, they don't care what you think.

Seriously. This isn't just another dumb story that will pass... It's major, and it's effects will be long lasting. And for me, it means current Spider-Man no more...

If you do NOT want to SUPPORT Joey Qs destruction of the marriage, DO NOT BUY One More Day.

If you don't want years of crap being added to continuity, DO NOT BUY One More Day.

Because if we are RIGHT, we have just rewarded him for forcing his wrongheaded agenda down our throats.

But, if we are all wrong... the issues (and I'm sure hardcover) will still be there, and I'll happily reward them...

Well, hold the phone there a minute...we dont actually know for a fact that One More Day will do...ANYTHING to the marriage yet....do we?

(or have i missed something?)

 

[Captivated]

If it were up to me, i'd leave them married...however, I have no problem whatsoever with MJ being written out of the book. MJ has been written out twice before (since i've been a fan), and i didnt miss her in the least either time. As i often say, the book is called The Amazing Spider-Man...not The Amazing Spider-Man and Mary Jane.


That said; i think we may actually end up with the death of Aunt May instead of an MJ revamp....

I guess you could say the "romance" has more weight with me because I'm a girl, but that would be too simple. From what I have seen (and from being involved with a "manly man" who LOVES the relationship stuff too) girls aren't the only ones who care about this issue.

I respect you Cap, so don't take it personally when I say, that argument -- "the book is not called The Amazing Spider-Man and Mary Jane" -- is missing the point.

This is bigger than MJ leaving. For one, she isn't going to be gone, it just looks like her character is going to be screwed up. And Peter, with this direction, is going to be doomed to a redundant (boring) cycle... NEVER finding a meaningful relationship that will last. UGG.

As I've said... for me, it's like coffee. I LOVE coffee. I get [SIZE=-1]cappuccino[/SIZE]s from Starbucks on a regular basis. The expresso/coffee is the star, but without the cream it's not the same... and leave out the sugar... it's a deal killer. It's pizza without cheese... pasta without sauce... Cheerios without milk... you get my drift.

 

[Captivated]

Well, hold the phone there a minute...we dont actually know for a fact that One More Day will do...ANYTHING to the marriage yet....do we?

(or have i missed something?)

No... there's hope that all the rumors, anti-marriage statements and "writing on the wall" is just misdirection. I personally doubt it, but there's always hope before the issues are shipped.

But my point is... if you look at the signs and play the odds, the waters are going to tested in a MAJOR way here... we KNOW Joey Q wants the marriage gone. If you WANT the marriage to stay intact, don't BUY the story till you KNOW the rumors are misdirection. You can always buy... it's hard to "unbuy."

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I guess you could say the "romance" has more weight with me because I'm a girl, but that would too simple. From what I have seen (and from being involved with a "manly man" who LOVES the relationship stuff too) girls aren't the only ones who care about this issue.

I respect you Cap, so don't take it personally when I say, that argument -- "the book is not called The Amazing Spider-Man and Mary Jane" -- is missing the point.

This is bigger than MJ leaving. For one, she isn't going to be gone, it just looks like her character is going to be screwed up. And Peter, with this direction, is going to be doomed to a redundant (boring) cycle... NEVER finding a meaningful relationship that will last. UGG.

As I've said... for me, it's like coffee. I LOVE coffee. I get [SIZE=-1]cappuccino[/SIZE]s from Starbucks on a regular basis. The expresso/coffee is the star, but without the cream it's not the same... and leave out the sugar... it's a deal killer. It's pizza without cheese... pasta without sauce... Cheerios without milk... you get my drift.

Cheerios without milk is my daily breakfast! (keeps my cholesterol level below 200 )

 

[farmernudie]

I'm with Captivated on this totally.

You can check out the books (or the internet for those that did BUY) without BUYING them yourself. (to find out on the marriage situation) And can always go back and buy the issues or the hardcover if it turns out that JQ has been stringing us all along in a grand lark for two years. (i don't think JQ has been saying all his quotes for years as a grand scheme to fool us all though!!) It is harder to believe THAT his quotes are a giant long scheme then to read his anti-marriage statements for just what they are.

If you buy them, JQ is gonna hoot up a storm about how his agenda to (presumably) end the marriage was/is a big hit after all.

And with calling every Spidey Title Amazing (3X) as is...they are gonna have some increased sales regardless of what their storyline is...because of increased issues being sent out of "amazing" from now on. And even more, Marvel is drumming up lots of excitement with new creative teams that the fans have clamored for...i believe, all in an attempt that the fans will buy WHATEVER JQ pumps out...because the book is titled AMAZING and because he is giving a few good creative teams. I think he hopes this will make up for taking away the marriage in hopes some fans won't notice or won't care.

 

[ragingdemon155]

Its weird. I hardly ever go into a storyline with a negative attitude, because that usually cheapens the story. However, I have a feeling that I'm going to hate OMD with passion. It's almost as if Joey Q is making sure that fans will hate this story. Every little comment and jab he's made has been nothing but insults to the fans.

Well whatever..USM sounds really good.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Well, hold the phone there a minute...we dont actually know for a fact that One More Day will do...ANYTHING to the marriage yet....do we?

(or have i missed something?)

Cap, I honestly think that JQ talked crap on the marriage at ComicCon (again) simply to boost sales for the latest "event."

Lil' Joey is like the "heel" characters that people play in professional wrestling.
He knows he's gonna get booed and picked apart, so he just plays up that role and really gives the fans what they want. I personally love it when he comes off sounding like an idiot. Ya know what that means? It means that EVERY time he talks... he makes me happy.t:

 

[Norman Osborn]

...Let's all not forget that JQ's the same guy who swore a member of the FF was going to die in "The Fantastic Four A Death in the Family"....no alternate reality bull****...really die and stay dead!!.....Joey lied to stir the pot and sell comics.....there's no reason to believe he aint doing it again

Edited cause I had to go hunt this down..

NRAMA: Now let’s get to probably the subject of the week – the FF. First of all, can you tell us about the just-solicited Death in the Family one-shot, promising the death of Sue Richards?

In reads, and we quote, “Not a dream, not a hoax”...So this is truly “in continuity” and she really buys it?

JQ - Karl Kesel has created one of the best told in one FF stories in a very long time, and yes, unfortunately, there will be a death in the FF family and it is all in continuity. But here’s some Joe Fridays breaking news that the solicits don’t tell ya, and remember, you heard it here first: two of the FF die, not just one. Gone, goodbye, nevermore.

JQ is full of crap and is not above stirring the pot and out and out lying to sell mags....this thing smells way too much like a swerve not to be a swerve......I'll be absolutely shocked if MJ and Pete aren't still a couple after OMD

 

[Captivated]

...Let's all not forget that JQ's the same guy who swore a member of the FF was going to die in "The Fantastic Four A Death in the Family"....no alternate reality bull****...really die and stay dead!!.....Joey lied to stir the pot and sell comics.....there's no reason to believe he aint doing it again

I hope y'all are right... and if this IS a good story (as in, Peter emerges still married to MJ and nothing really ridiculous happens) I'll be more than happy to add it to my collection.

I'm just looking before I leap with this one...

 

[Norman Osborn]

I hope y'all are right... and if this IS a good story (as in, Peter emerges still married to MJ and nothing really ridiculous happens) I'll be more than happy to add it to my collection.

I'm just looking before I leap with this one...

Listen I don't blame you one bit.....I was also the genuis who proclaimed half way through the "Other"..."The big reveal at the end will be Mysterio, these people can't possibly be stupid enough to mess with an icon on this freaking level "

...but seriously I think I'm right this time

 

[shinlyle]

Honestly, if this turns out to be a great story, I'll be the first one to man-up and say that I was wrong. However, if I saw a kid trying to fly with cardboard wings from the roof of his house, and he had already jumped 3 or 4 times and broken his arm and leg, then I have no reason to believe that he will fly the next time. Joey Q is "that kid".

 

[kguillou]

Originally posted by WhatifTales

...Let's all not forget that JQ's the same guy who swore a member of the FF was going to die in "The Fantastic Four A Death in the Family"....no alternate reality bull****...really die and stay dead!!.....Joey lied to stir the pot and sell comics.....there's no reason to believe he aint doing it again

Edited cause I had to go hunt this down..

NRAMA: Now let’s get to probably the subject of the week – the FF. First of all, can you tell us about the just-solicited Death in the Family one-shot, promising the death of Sue Richards?

In reads, and we quote, “Not a dream, not a hoax”...So this is truly “in continuity” and she really buys it?

JQ - Karl Kesel has created one of the best told in one FF stories in a very long time, and yes, unfortunately, there will be a death in the FF family and it is all in continuity. But here’s some Joe Fridays breaking news that the solicits don’t tell ya, and remember, you heard it here first: two of the FF die, not just one. Gone, goodbye, nevermore.

JQ is full of crap and is not above stirring the pot and out and out lying to sell mags....this thing smells way too much like a swerve not to be a swerve......I'll be absolutely shocked if MJ and Pete aren't still a couple after OMD

HAHAHA, WHAT?! You mean to tell me Joey Q actually tried to make us believe that TWO FF members were going to die, FOR GOOD?? WOW, killing TWO FF members would almost be like killing off Spider-man from his own book. They would NEVER kill off any fantastic four members, Joe Q must think we're stupid as hell.

 

[shinlyle]

Originally posted by WhatifTales



HAHAHA, WHAT?! You mean to tell me Joey Q actually tried to make us believe that TWO FF members were going to die, FOR GOOD?? WOW, killing TWO FF members would almost be like killing off Spider-man from his own book. They would NEVER kill off any fantastic four members, Joe Q must think we're stupid as hell.

Yep> I bought the issue, which wasn't bad, but I knew they were full of it. Basically Johnny inadverdantly causes Sue's death, so Johnny goes back in tiem to correct it. Johhny bascally takes the hit, and dies, meaning that the Sue Richards from our reality died, and then Johnny saved her, and it created a parallel universe. So, while they died, it didn't matter. What a crappy way to hype a self-contained, out of continuity story.

 

[Norman Osborn]

Originally posted by WhatifTales



HAHAHA, WHAT?! You mean to tell me Joey Q actually tried to make us believe that TWO FF members were going to die, FOR GOOD?? WOW, killing TWO FF members would almost be like killing off Spider-man from his own book. They would NEVER kill off any fantastic four members, Joe Q must think we're stupid as hell.

yup...read Shin's description above.......

as for thinking we're stupid, I think he realizes that we can be played.....he's hyping the OMD event...anything he says pertaining to that event has to be taken with an enormous grain of salt given this guy's history......

...I mean Joe's always talking about "one" person in Pete's life dying....does it really make sense that he'd keep Aunt May alive to be Pete's conscience and the person he can confide to and allow MJ to die?...it doesn't make sense ....I love Aunt May as a charcater but if we're measuring the usefullness of a character, Aunt May's existance is redundant....MJ takes the place of everything Aunt May was to the character and then some.....

I truly believe that Joe's going out of his way to hint about MJ dying because he doesn't want the death of Aunt May to be the obvious ending to OMD because without the constant snide remarks about the marriage, the ending of OMD would be fairly obvious given May's in a freaking coma.

Like everyone else I'm speculating

 

[Norman Osborn]

....oh for the love of pete will someone hurry up and post the last page from SSM #40!!...I only sifted through it on the rack, didn't buy it...can't scan it..(well I'm pretty technologically obsolete so even if I did buy it I probably cou....never mind)....

...anyway I'm dying to hear people's impressions of the last page.....another red herring?...JQ really screwing with our emotions?

 

[The Joker]

....oh for the love of pete will someone hurry up and post the last page from SSM #40!!...I only sifted through it on the rack, didn't buy it...can't scan it..(well I'm pretty technologically obsolete so even if I did buy it I probably cou....never mind)....

...anyway I'm dying to hear people's impressions of the last page.....another red herring?...JQ really screwing with our emotions?

Why, what was on the last page?

 

[Norman Osborn]

Why, what was on the last page?

Spoiler

The issue was Pete talking to God.....at the end the narrator (who I believe we're to believe is God, although I may have misconstrued that, I read it petty quickly)asks how does this story end...the answer shows an aging Pete and MJ with two children...Mary and Ben

Like I said Doc I flipped through this pretty quickly so I may have missed something

 

[The Joker]

Spoiler

The issue was Pete talking to God.....at the end the narrator (who I believe we're to believe is God, although I may have misconstrued that, I read it petty quickly)asks how does this story end...the answer shows an aging Pete and MJ with two children...Mary and Ben

Like I said Doc I flipped through this pretty quickly so I may have missed something

Bleh

More cheap shock gimmicks.

 

[Norman Osborn]

Bleh

More cheap shock gimmicks.

probably ...little surprised they didn't

Spoiler

use Baby May's name instead

 

[Blader5489]

probably ...little surprised they didn't

Spoiler

use Baby May's name instead

They already had

Spoiler

a baby named May. She died. It wouldn't have been right to use the name again. No couple would ever give another child the same name as a miscarried one.

 

[Mara Jane]

Ugh...sounds horrible.

That's what I don't get: Marvel characters have always gorwn and changed. Reed & Sue got married, and had kids. Peter and MJ got married. Daredevil got married. The entire cast of the X-Men grows and changes all the time. Each character on the Avengers has a rich istory with multiple marriages, divorces, kids, etc.

Conversely, DC doesn't allow much room for growth with their characters. Batman will NEVER be married. He will never raise a child (yes, I know he has a son that was raised in secret by Talia...lame). Superman married Lois Lane. Wow. We didn't see that coming. He will never have a kid, though....unless it's in a bad movie or something. Green Lantern was replaced by another Green Lantern, and they just brought the old one back.

Now, I know, these characters are ICONS....that isn't being debated. However, it does make for some damned boring comics. Superman will always win...he'll always come home to Lois Lane, and he'll always work at the Daily Planet. Batman will always be rich, he will always operate out of Gotham, and he will never be married, because he is Batman. This is just the way it is, and, every once in awhile, we get some kickass stories about these characters, and then the writer leaves, and the same stuff happens again...and then, after 10 years, there will be a crisis, and anything that has changed will be undone.

The last part is my problem. I don't want Marvel to resort to a "crisis" everytime they do something stupid. The unmasking....the "Other"....Sins Past...all these things can be undone within continuity. Hell, Marvel coudl ask about 30 people from this board alone, and they could have everything fixed.

Unfortunately, that won't sell books. They need the gimmicks, the big "shock" events. I guess it's the state of the industry, now. The 90's revolved around gimmicky covers and killing characters, and now, the 00's revolves around gimmicky crossovers and killing characters. Superman and Captain America are just collateral damage for the decades in which they were killed. Looks like Spider-man's marriage, which has stood for almost 20 years, will now fall victim to the same killer.

Yeah, I know, this may all be some "in-house" problem. The writers may be able to tell stories more easily with a single Peter Parker than with a married one. Great. How many disposable love interests are we going to have to endure. "I can't think of any ideas....let's bring in a new love interest!" It will soon come to pass. We'll get rid of Mary Jane as his wife, and then we'll watch Peter Parker shuffle through dead-end relationship after dead-end relationship....because we KNOW he'll never be allowed to have anything more than a semi-serious relationship. Ugh.

I really WANT to like One More Day. I WANT to LOVE Brand New Day. I just don't think I'll be able to do it. I honestly feel that all the talent has been put on the books as an attempt to keep the longtime fans who will leave when the marriage ends. "Hey....all the longtime fans want Dan Slott and a 'hot' artist on Amazing Spider-Man....how about we give it to them as an incentive to stay on a book that we've intentionally ruined? GO TEAM MARVEL!"

I hope I'm wrong. I hope this is all misdirection, and JMS finally gives us a storyarc that reminds us of how great the Spider-Man titles can be....unfortunately, I hoped that with "The Other", as well. Fool me once, shame on you...

This sums it up for me. I'll buy OMD, just to be sure it doesn't turn out bad, and drop ASM right after if the marriage is over. As much as I love Slott, I don't love him this much.

This is a dark time for me... First Mara Jade from SW, and now MJ from Spidey comics. Apparently heroes are not allowed to be happy. And women get treated like crap. Again.

Oh, and the Spidey marriage hasn't been "almost" 20 years. It's BEEN 20 years.

 

[Redwoods Wolf]

Why IS the marriage so hard to write, exactly? Marriage is just a more intense version of any other relationship: same problems, same joys, with a few different wrinkles. If the writers have a hard time writing the marriage, I've got a suggestion: don't write it. At least, not all the time. Have a Spidey story that's completely Spidey doing his own thing w/o checking in with MJ. Or vice versa. Or an arc of such stories. Or, if it's the whole "MJ does not affect Peter's superhero life," have her reconsider acting, go back to school, and get a more public/dangerous job. Have Pete become a biochemist. (what he was majoring for back in the day) Have them fight, make up, do mundane things, try (and fail, and succeed) to work out romantic moments, have conversations, discuss the future, hopes, aspirations...

I mean, if they found all that too limiting, how did they write stories before? "I met you, I love you, I got killed?" Do DC writers complain Lois/Supes is hard to write?

 

[wolvie2020]

Do DC writers complain Lois/Supes is hard to write?

I'm not defending the break up here, but Lois and Clark are really not a good comparison to MJ/Pete.

Clark BY DEFINITION, was/is really boring, castrated, and quite sad/2D. Clark Kent is the disguise, he's really Superman. Clark marrying Lois made the 'out of costume,' moments a HELL of a lot more interesting than before. (IMHO, Supes books are generally still quite boring though.)

Spider-Man is defined by Peter Parker, we all know that. Trying to change it to Ben, created a mishap that's been talked about over a decade now.

My point is, Clark getting married added to storylines. Peter getting married changed a lot of things for Peter... By tradition that Stan created, Pete went around with a fair amount of girls. Not because he was really horny or anything, it just happens in life.

NOW, it seems like a lot of writers got attached to that, (we're finding out now.) Although it was Mr. Lee's decision himself to marry them, a lot of people are scared that 'actually being married and having consensual sex,' is far too conservative. Apprently there's not enough sexiness in that, and to keep thinking of new stories to make marriage fun is just too much bloody hard work

I can't completley blame the comic industry though... Look at ANY mainstream media in the Western world since the Elvis 1st got big A list stars HIDE their marriages in fear of losing sex appeal. I'm not saying that it's EXACTLY the same. But there is a trend here.

Personally, I think it's BS though. I've been in a longest relationship I've ever been at the moment, and honestly, I find it waaaaaaaaaay more interesting.

Me and the missus do a lot of fun things I've NEVER done in shorter relationships, we talk about more interesting things, and quite frankly, (I know a lot of the long termers will agree with me here,) being with the same person for a while, you try more and unique fun things sexually.

I know McFarlane is a d**k, but at least he showed that being married to Spider-Man can be fun. How many women can say 'last night my husband webbed me to the ceiling and had his way with me!'

 

[Miss Webb]

Your soo ABSOLUTELY right Shinlyle. I mean come on, if Peter starts dating again, how the heck does Marvel expect us to take any of those relationships seriously?? If they get rid of MJ, thats it. Thats it for Peter's love life. How can there be anyone who compares to MJ? The only slightly possible person i can think of is Black Cat, and they've been hinting lately that she STILL loves him. But does Peter feel the same way? Doubt it. How could anybody replace a character thats been around since the 70's??

Like I said.

Joey Q = Evil Incarnate (JQEI).

Black Cat and half of Peter's old girlfriends still carry a torch. Betty Brandt recently said so in FNSM, too. Now all we need is a retro punch to bring back blondie, Gwen. She too will want Peter, thusly setting up a TRILOGY OF LOVE. Why worry about the marriage when you can have four-way porn? It's sure to bring in new readers! This will be a sequel series to the new SPIDERMAN BLUE : PART TWO! and don't forget that once again PETER WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AFTER A SHOCKING LIFE CHANGE!!

Stay tuned, and be prepared for plenty of skin and pink shag rugs.