Comics Marvel's November 2007 Solicit Preview

[Spydernorbs]

I'm not buying it...

I was on board (hoping for the best with a wait and see attitude) for Sins Past, House of M, the Other, New Avengers, Civil War, etc... and I'm not doing it again. Quite frankly, THIS time the stakes are too high.

Since Sins Past I've been running on fumes with ASM... I really loved the Hydra arc, and the recent issues of Back in Black have been good... but all indications say that this upcoming story is going to be the WORST betrayal yet. And after you've given them money for it, they don't care what you think.

Seriously. This isn't just another dumb story that will pass... It's major, and it's effects will be long lasting. And for me, it means current Spider-Man no more...

If you do NOT want to SUPPORT Joey Qs destruction of the marriage, DO NOT BUY One More Day.

If you don't want years of crap being added to continuity, DO NOT BUY One More Day.

Because if we are RIGHT, we have just rewarded him for forcing his wrongheaded agenda down our throats.

But, if we are all wrong... the issues (and I'm sure hardcover) will still be there, and I'll happily reward them...

Agreed.

DO NOT BUY ONE MORE DAY EVERYONE!!!! MAKE JOEY Q SUFFER, HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE'S DOING!!!

I KNOW THERE ARE FANS OUT THERE THAT BUY IT BECAUSE THEY FEEL THE NEED TO, BECAUSE THEY ARE COLLECTORS. Don't!!!! Joey Q has gone too far and he needs to realize that and his bosses NEED TO SEE THAT!!

 

[Norman Osborn]

Agreed.

DO NOT BUY ONE MORE DAY EVERYONE!!!! MAKE JOEY Q SUFFER, HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE'S DOING!!!

I KNOW THERE ARE FANS OUT THERE THAT BUY IT BECAUSE THEY FEEL THE NEED TO, BECAUSE THEY ARE COLLECTORS. Don't!!!! Joey Q has gone too far and he needs to realize that and his bosses NEED TO SEE THAT!!

This way of thinking has me confused?....you want to "not" pick up "OMD" to show JQ that you won't tolerate MJ/Pete splitting. That's fine, there's nothing wrong with voting with your pocketbooks....but doesn't the timing seem a bit askew?

For example...let's say everyone who believes the marriage is central leaves the book right before OMD. Sales plummet before OMD. OMD comes and goes and lo and behold, the marriage "is" ended. Haven't you the consumer, given JOE Q the out, by dropping the sales before the marriage is actually nullified?....Hey Joe, the ASM numbers are in the s$itter....it's because of that damn insistance of yours to end the marriage....No no Mr. Marvel executive....twas not the dissolution of the marriage that caused the drop....look at the sales charts....that downward trend started before OMD even began......the drop in sales has to be from something else....look at the sales since I dissolved the marriage.....they've been hanging on steady....the marriage didn't bother anyone...

......an obviously ridiculous example....but you get my point don't you?......if you want to show JoeQ your disdain for ending the marriage...doesn't it make more sense to draw a cleaner line between cause and effect...doesn't it make more sense, to ensure your 2.99 vote matters, that you tell Joe to shove his mag..after the marriage is dissolved?

...just a thought

 

[Spydernorbs]

This way of thinking has me confused?....you want to "not" pick up "OMD" to show JQ that you won't tolerate MJ/Pete splitting. That's fine, there's nothing wrong with voting with your pocketbooks....but doesn't the timing seem a bit askew?

For example...let's say everyone who believes the marriage is central leaves the book right before OMD. Sales plummet before OMD. OMD comes and goes and lo and behold, the marriage "is" ended. Haven't you the consumer, given JOE Q the out, by dropping the sales before the marriage is actually nullified?....Hey Joe, the ASM numbers are in the s$itter....it's because of that damn insistance of yours to end the marriage....No no Mr. Marvel executive....twas not the dissolution of the marriage that caused the drop....look at the sales charts....that downward trend started before OMD even began......the drop in sales has to be from something else....look at the sales since I dissolved the marriage.....they've been hanging on steady....the marriage didn't bother anyone...

......an obviously ridiculous example....but you get my point don't you?......if you want to show JoeQ your disdain for ending the marriage...doesn't it make more sense to draw a cleaner line between cause and effect...doesn't it make more sense, to ensure your 2.99 vote matters, that you tell Joe to shove his mag..after the marriage is dissolved?

...just a thought

You make a lot of sense with the cause and effect, let's apply that rule to this example.

OMD comes out, I'm sure it'll suck, people buy it and most likely will hate it, Joey doesn't care and see's the sales figs and that's all he worries about, so he see's the sales figs and is happy because everyone bought his POC book. So now the damage is done, but he's happy and doesn't care because the sale figs are in and marvel has $$$! So, I'm trying to say, make him aware right were it counts...the sale figs. Sorry for not being that clear. I met Joe at WWC and told him not to break up the spidey marriage, he just rolled his eyes and shook his head. I wanted to deck him.

 

[Norman Osborn]

You make a lot of sense with the cause and effect, let's apply that rule to this example.

OMD comes out, I'm sure it'll suck, people buy it and most likely will hate it, Joey doesn't care and see's the sales figs and that's all he worries about, so he see's the sales figs and is happy because everyone bought his POC book. So now the damage is done, but he's happy and doesn't care because the sale figs are in and marvel has $$$! So, I'm trying to say, make him aware right were it counts...the sale figs. Sorry for not being that clear. I met Joe at WWC and told him not to break up the spidey marriage, he just rolled his eyes and shook his head. I wanted to deck him.

Yeah but that example assumes Joe stops looking at the sales once the numbers from OMD come in.......

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

I wanted to deck him.

You would have instantly become a GOD. Shrines would have been erected to you around the land.

 

[Norman Osborn]

You would have instantly become a GOD. Shrines would have been erected to you around the land.

He would have been arrested

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

I'll bet that isn't really that bad an experiance when an entire dealer's room is applauding you.

 

[Spydernorbs]

Yeah but that example assumes Joe stops looking at the sales once the numbers from OMD come in.......

I don't think so....in the past he's known for one POC after another.

He would have been arrested

I would of, there was a huge security guard walking right next to him on the way to the marvel pannel. I was RIGHT behind Joe when I commented. When he gave me that gester and IF i did deck him, I bet I have more fans then Joe, that's for sure. Then I would of been kicked out of the con...that would of sucked.

 

[Captivated]

The only reason I'm NOT going to buy it is because we do have a good idea of what is coming.

I've read all of Joey Q's comments about the marriage. Disgusting. He has clearly stated that Peter's marriage to MJ is the PROBLEM with Spider-Man, and that he wants to end it. He has said of ending the marriage, "just don't mention it and it's forgotten..."

Nothing I have read makes me hopeful... And I want to make sure that if he trys to end the marriage here, I in no way support it.


No, we don't know for sure that the marriage end here... but if sales FALL, I am very sure there will be NO DOUBT in Joey Qs little mind that it was caused by all the negative reaction to his "marriage controversy."

 

[Mara Jane]

The only reason I'm NOT going to buy it is because we do have a good idea of what is coming.

I've read all of Joey Q's comments about the marriage. Disgusting. He has clearly stated that Peter's marriage to MJ is the PROBLEM with Spider-Man, and that he wants to end it. He has said of ending the marriage, "just don't mention it and it's forgotten..."

Nothing I have read makes me hopeful... And I want to make sure that if he trys to end the marriage here, I in no way support it.


No, we don't know for sure that the marriage end here... but if sales FALL, I am very sure there will be NO DOUBT in Joey Qs little mind that it was caused by all the negative reaction to his "marriage controversy."

The thing is, Cap that we really don't know for sure. How many times have we seen issue covers that show one thing and the inside has something else? Just because JQ says one thing, doesn't mean it's definite. His job does involve teasing people to get them to read. While the evidence strongly suggests you're right, and I have no interest in defending JQ, I'll still wait till the end of OMD. To me, I want to own the last comic of Pete & MJ as a married couple. My last Marvel dollar will go to that.

When the whole clone mess happened, Marvel woke up pretty fast when everybody dropped it after Pete and MJ walked off into the sunset. From one month to the next it was a staggering number of issues that went unpurchased (in the hundreds of thousands, I believe). We can do that again, and show a clear cut-off point: the end of the marriage.

 

[farmernudie]

While it is true we don't know what is gonna happen for 100% SURE in OMD.....i however do not think all of JQ's anti-marriage tirades in the past 2 years were just a well orchestrated 2 year in advance ploy to throw the fans off before OMD came out 2 years later.

The evidence leads one to believe, if they look at it logically, that SOMETHING WILL happen to the marriage.

I hope it doesn't, but there is no evidence to lead me to believe otherwise, tho I try hard to remain hopeful.

 

[CConn]

I don't recall any debates or problems with the marriage before Joe Q started b****in' about it. I guess being EIC of Marvel means that you get whatever the hell you want...no matter how bent the fans are against it.

You GUESS?

 

[The Caped Knight]

i dig this Back In Black cover...but won't be getting it though

That's a kick ass cover

 

[dan1]

I haven't bought a Spider-Man 'current' newstand comic since Sin's Past.

From what I have read here and there since (from excerpts online, and posters here and Spider-Fan.org) I haven't missed anything. It's a freaking joke.

Spider-Man should be the easiest Superhero to write fun interesting fan-tastic stories about, but when you take the soap-opera approach too far, Spider-Man becomes "one lame read."

Continuity is king, and Spider-Man jumped the Shark with JoeyQ and JMS and Alonzo (who is the anti-editor) and we have already discussed this to death, I know, I know. Just want you to know I'm still around occasionally, waiting , hoping for someone with power in Marvel Comics to start caring about a continuity rich , kick ass Spider-Man.

Is it so hard? I never thought so, not if you actually read the back issues and respect them.

Now the back issues are starting to build up as all this JMS sins past-spider-iron-bitttch-other-cocoon, drivel. So when I talk back issues, its hard now, ya know?? 'Cause I mean back issue pre-JMS/Alonzo

-Dan

 

[CConn]

PAD's written continuity rich, comedy-laced, slightly emotional, and highly fun Spider-Man stories that embrace Spider-Man's supporting cast and distant and recent past (good and bad) to craft fun, well written, well characterized Spider-Man stories.

 

[USMC]

Joe Q must think we're stupid as hell.

...

 

[hulkamania85]

Ugh...sounds horrible.

That's what I don't get: Marvel characters have always gorwn and changed. Reed & Sue got married, and had kids. Peter and MJ got married. Daredevil got married. The entire cast of the X-Men grows and changes all the time. Each character on the Avengers has a rich istory with multiple marriages, divorces, kids, etc.

Conversely, DC doesn't allow much room for growth with their characters. Batman will NEVER be married. He will never raise a child (yes, I know he has a son that was raised in secret by Talia...lame). Superman married Lois Lane. Wow. We didn't see that coming. He will never have a kid, though....unless it's in a bad movie or something. Green Lantern was replaced by another Green Lantern, and they just brought the old one back.

Now, I know, these characters are ICONS....that isn't being debated. However, it does make for some damned boring comics. Superman will always win...he'll always come home to Lois Lane, and he'll always work at the Daily Planet. Batman will always be rich, he will always operate out of Gotham, and he will never be married, because he is Batman. This is just the way it is, and, every once in awhile, we get some kickass stories about these characters, and then the writer leaves, and the same stuff happens again...and then, after 10 years, there will be a crisis, and anything that has changed will be undone.

You don't read much DC do you? You don't have to have Batman in the poorhouse or Superman having 5 kids with Lois to make them interesting. Just like Marvel, you just need to get the right creative team in there to come up with good stories. Plus things in DC do change. There was the Identity Crisis and Infinite Crisis. Batgirl became Oracle. Robin grew up and became Nightwing. There have been just as many classic DC stories have there have been Marvel.

Also, Superman Returns was better than a good deal of the last few Marvel movies, although it isn't too tough to be better than Ghost Rider.

Also, to people badmouthing Ultimate Marvel, if you don't like it, why don't you just ignore it? Is it really necessarily to write "oh man Ultimate Marvel is teh suck". It doesn't really add much to the discussion. Anyway, IMO, Ultimate Marvel despite its flaws has been better than 616 lately. At least it doesn't rely on gimmicky change after gimmicky change, which is why it's refreshing compared to 616 Marvel.

 

[Dangerous]

I can't believe people still buy Ultimate crap...

Hheheheh, that's what I wanna know.

I'm just waiting on Marvel.com to update to include Decembers comics so I can- a)see the cover to ASM#546 and- b)see if they are going to continue using the classic logo on the covers.

 

[Gideon2K1]

I haven't read a comic book in a while. What's the deal with Pete and MJ's marriage? Are they still together or not? If not, then I think whoever is doing the book right now is a complete moron. How is Spider-Man's marriage hurting the book? He's f'ing Spider-Man!!! He doesn't need to be revamped, he doesn't need to be edgier. The only characters that warrant being edgier are characters like Wolverine or Batman. Spider-Man has always been, in my opinion, a character who breaks the stereotype of the grim and brooding superhero. Not every hero has to have a dark presence about them. This whole end the marriage/back in black thing is stupid if you ask me.

 

[SpideyInATree]

To answer your question Gideon the marriage in the book, as of right now, seems to be fine. It's merely just speculation and hype that people are believing the marriage to be over. It's not over until it's over. And the plans to do away with the marriage could happen and it could just stay the same and be one giant tease. You don't know. Hence why you read the story.

But November looks like an all right month for Spider-Man. By the cover of ASM # 545 it SEEMS that the marriage is the focus but my real question is who's red gloved hand is that holding the piece of broken glass?

And Ultimate Spider-Man definitely sounds like it's going to be all kinds of awesome. Bendis writes two things VERY well when it comes to USM. That's the street level heroes. And, of course, the Green Goblin stories. And this one sounds like it's going to be pretty intense. Now why couldn't they make the Marvel Universe Goblin this bad ass and intense? Pft.