MCU Fight: Doctor Strange (without Time Stone) Vs. Ghost Rider

[Iceman]

Yeah I wasn’t expecting expecting Strange [BLACKOUT]to win[/BLACKOUT]. He gave a good showing. But against Maw, once his help went missing, he was taken out pretty easily.

True. And he had help even in that scene. Shows that these fights can go multiple ways depending on circumstance, tactics and anticipation of the opponent's strategy which won't be right every time.

 

[Batmannerism]

People forget about the clear cut lost to Ebony Maw, one on one nobody helped Maw.

This is almost a "rock paper scissors " scenario. Kind of like how Scarlet Witch has easily taken out Vision ( although after IW she's more powerful in general) because he is particularly vulnerable to her powers.

Strange tried to open up the time stone against Maw, but that requires physical gestures - and Maw could easily immobilize him from a distance. Had Strange used some of the spells he pulled out on Thanos, it might have gone a different way.

Also, Ebony Maw was easily the most powerful dangerous of Thanos' henchmen ( although I think Thor would have taken him out with a lightning bolt - had he not had to fight Thanos as well). The only way Iron Man and Spidey took him out was with a surpise attack.

Maw is one of those characters who is lethal against most opponents, but a specific power set will take him out ( eg Iron Man vs Magneto, shortest battle ever) - Strange is similar.

If GR got a surprise attack in, then he probably would defeat Strange, but in a straight up duel IMO Strange sends him straight back to Hell, express service.

 

[Solaire]

After seeing IW 3 times I will say Strange. I haven't watched much Shield and have only seen scenes and clips involving Ghost Rider so maybe don't know him well but I have a hard time thinking he could beat Strange who was on another level.

 

[BigThor]

This is almost a "rock paper scissors " scenario. Kind of like how Scarlet Witch has easily taken out Vision ( although after IW she's more powerful in general) because he is particularly vulnerable to her powers.

Strange tried to open up the time stone against Maw, but that requires physical gestures - and Maw could easily immobilize him from a distance. Had Strange used some of the spells he pulled out on Thanos, it might have gone a different way.

Also, Ebony Maw was easily the most powerful dangerous of Thanos' henchmen ( although I think Thor would have taken him out with a lightning bolt - had he not had to fight Thanos as well). The only way Iron Man and Spidey took him out was with a surpise attack.

Maw is one of those characters who is lethal against most opponents, but a specific power set will take him out ( eg Iron Man vs Magneto, shortest battle ever) - Strange is similar.

If GR got a surprise attack in, then he probably would defeat Strange, but in a straight up duel IMO Strange sends him straight back to Hell, express service.

We're thinking about doing Ebony Maw vs Hela this week.

Yep, Maw beat Strange without much effort in the end. Strange later did well against Thanos, but still ultimately lost. I actually think GR would give Thanos decent fight. So I finally voted GR.

Yeah Ebony Maw bodied him, it was pretty one-sided once it became a one on one battle.

[BLACKOUT]
Noone was going to not lose to 4 stone Thanos 1 on 1 lol. Hulk, Thor, Loki, Valkyrie, Korg and all the Asgardians didn't put up much of a fight against Thanos, Maw, Obsidian and 2 very nerfed BO members who lost to 3 much weaker characters.[/BLACKOUT]

They probably ganged up on Thor and took him down first, then the rest were easy pickings. Besides Thanos needed armor to take on the big boys unlike when he fought Stark and Strange in a muscle shirt lmao, but no ones talks about that.

 

[CoherentChaos]

They probably ganged up on Thor and took him down first, then the rest were easy pickings. Besides Thanos needed armor to take on the big boys unlike when he fought Stark and Strange in a muscle shirt lmao, but no ones talks about that.

So basically what you're saying is that if Hulk had Thanos's armor he would have fared better? :P

(and yeah I think Thor's biggest weakness is being in interior spaces he doesn't want to annihilate. Thor in an open field vs Thanos, stones or no stones, armor or no armor probably wins every time due to lightning).

 

[Batmannerism]

So basically what you're saying is that if Hulk had Thanos's armor he would have fared better? :P

(and yeah I think Thor's biggest weakness is being in interior spaces he doesn't want to annihilate. Thor in an open field vs Thanos, stones or no stones, armor or no armor probably wins every time due to lightning).

Disagree.

Thor (with Stormbreaker) v Thanos ( no stones), Thor wins.

Thor ( with Stormbreaker) v Thanos (with power stone) a lot more even but possibly Thor.

vs Thanos with all the stones, Thanos wins.....against anybody.

Thor could have used Lightning in Wakanda, as they were outdoors, but the way Thanos shrugged off attacks from Iron Man , Star Lord and Dr Strange....no way, lightning wasnt going to hurt him ( it didnt do much to Hela), Thor went with Stormbreaker because it was specifically forged to kill Thanos, it was right option and if he'd landed a head shot or cut off Thanos ' arm, the film would have a different ending.

However, despite serious injury Thanos was able to kill off half the universe in a second - with all 6 stones he's virtually God. Its going to take an epic plan for our heroes
to beat him in the sequel.

As for Hela v Ebony Maw....... Hela, based on durability, strength and speed. Also that she creates her weapons out of thin air and can throw many at once.
She took Thor's best shots and barely slowed down. In hand to hand she appeared to be slightly stronger than Thor. She gets impaled by an asgardian sword and doesnt even flinch. Maw is powerful, but he's no match for Hela. If a single blade of hers gets through, he's dead.

Why not Maw vs Scarlet Witch, as they have similar powers ?

Why not Spider Man with his IW suit vs Black Panther ?

Vulture vs Falcon , a battle of the fliers ?

Dude, I realise this is for your power tiers and you've put a lot of respectable effort into it....but when you're done with the tiers, why not team up battles ( as many heroes pair up) ?

E.G. Cap and Bucky vs Black Panther and Okoye.

Iron Man and War Machine vs Vision and Scarlet Witch

Spider Man and somebody vs Luke Cage and Iron Fist


And the list goes on....

 

[BigThor]

Disagree.

Thor (with Stormbreaker) v Thanos ( no stones), Thor wins.

Thor ( with Stormbreaker) v Thanos (with power stone) a lot more even but possibly Thor.

vs Thanos with all the stones, Thanos wins.....against anybody.

Thor could have used Lightning in Wakanda, as they were outdoors, but the way Thanos shrugged off attacks from Iron Man , Star Lord and Dr Strange....no way, lightning wasnt going to hurt him ( it didnt do much to Hela), Thor went with Stormbreaker because it was specifically forged to kill Thanos, it was right option and if he'd landed a head shot or cut off Thanos ' arm, the film would have a different ending.

Nothing Strange, Iron Man, Star Lord, Spider-Man. Drax, or Mantis did on Titan was anywhere NEAR as potent as Thor's lightning. I'm not saying it would defeat Thanos or seriously injure him, but that GIGANTIC lightning bolt he summoned from Hela would suely do more than all of their combined damage output.

However, despite serious injury Thanos was able to kill off half the universe in a second - with all 6 stones he's virtually God. Its going to take an epic plan for our heroes
to beat him in the sequel.

As for Hela v Ebony Maw....... Hela, based on durability, strength and speed. Also that she creates her weapons out of thin air and can throw many at once.
She took Thor's best shots and barely slowed down. In hand to hand she appeared to be slightly stronger than Thor. She gets impaled by an asgardian sword and doesnt even flinch. Maw is powerful, but he's no match for Hela. If a single blade of hers gets through, he's dead.

Why not Maw vs Scarlet Witch, as they have similar powers ?

Why not Spider Man with his IW suit vs Black Panther ?

Vulture vs Falcon , a battle of the fliers ?

Dude, I realise this is for your power tiers and you've put a lot of respectable effort into it....but when you're done with the tiers, why not team up battles ( as many heroes pair up) ?

E.G. Cap and Bucky vs Black Panther and Okoye.

Iron Man and War Machine vs Vision and Scarlet Witch

Spider Man and somebody vs Luke Cage and Iron Fist


And the list goes on....

Instead of this battle I originally wanted to do Doctor Strange vs Scarlett Witch, but Scarlett still has to battle to even Strange's tier same for Ebony Maw vs Scarlett.

I do like the sound of Ebony Maw vs Scarlett though, let me discuss with Jaqua and Surfer.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Is there a reason the poll closed so early? I actually can't vote now due to waiting.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

True. And he had help even in that scene. Shows that these fights can go multiple ways depending on circumstance, tactics and anticipation of the opponent's strategy which won't be right every time.

Oh yeah more often than not fights go as they should. But there are always surprise factors based on strategy, etc.

I think GR would annihilate Maw though personally, were as Strange was clearly outmatched onece he was alone.

 

[Iceman]

They probably ganged up on Thor and took him down first, then the rest were easy pickings. Besides Thanos needed armor to take on the big boys unlike when he fought Stark and Strange in a muscle shirt lmao, but no ones talks about that.

That's true. You should just mention it rather than saying no one talks about it. It's a valid point. Who knows how strong that armour is. Would he have been as confident taking on Hulk in a boxing match without it? Maybe, maybe not.

But as for what probably happened, a Thor guy will always speculate that something like the above happened while a user like BigStrange might come into this thread and speculate the opposite. He may have already been battered, but he was certainly taken out easily when he lunged for Thanos later and Maw instantly tied him up in a way he couldn't get out of like he did with Strange.

 

[Iceman]

This is almost a "rock paper scissors " scenario. Kind of like how Scarlet Witch has easily taken out Vision ( although after IW she's more powerful in general) because he is particularly vulnerable to her powers.

Strange tried to open up the time stone against Maw, but that requires physical gestures - and Maw could easily immobilize him from a distance. Had Strange used some of the spells he pulled out on Thanos, it might have gone a different way.

Also, Ebony Maw was easily the most powerful dangerous of Thanos' henchmen ( although I think Thor would have taken him out with a lightning bolt - had he not had to fight Thanos as well). The only way Iron Man and Spidey took him out was with a surpise attack.

Maw is one of those characters who is lethal against most opponents, but a specific power set will take him out ( eg Iron Man vs Magneto, shortest battle ever) - Strange is similar.

If GR got a surprise attack in, then he probably would defeat Strange, but in a straight up duel IMO Strange sends him straight back to Hell, express service.

Oh yeah more often than not fights go as they should. But there are always surprise factors based on strategy, etc.

I think GR would annihilate Maw though personally, were as Strange was clearly outmatched onece he was alone.

I think it's as BatMannerism says. Rock, paper, scissors in a lot of matchups with characters with different power types and different durability. And whatever happens, if you reran the match again you might get a different outcome.

 

[BigThor]

That's true. You should just mention it rather than saying no one talks about it. It's a valid point. Who knows how strong that armour is. Would he have been as confident taking on Hulk in a boxing match without it? Maybe, maybe not.

But as for what probably happened, a Thor guy will always speculate that something like the above happened while a user like BigStrange might come into this thread and speculate the opposite. He may have already been battered, but he was certainly taken out easily when he lunged for Thanos later and Maw instantly tied him up in a way he couldn't get out of like he did with Strange.

Lol you really brought that up, lol Thor was clearly weakened when he hit Thanks with the wimpy attack and was heavily damaged at the start of the scene already.

Maw restraining Thor holds no way due to the face that he was clearly injured and much weaker than normal at the time.

 

[Iceman]

Lol you really brought that up, lol Thor was clearly weakened when he hit Thanks with the wimpy attack and was heavily damaged at the start of the scene already.

Maw restraining Thor holds no way due to the face that he was clearly injured and much weaker than normal at the time.

That's why I said he may have already been battered. My post takes account of what you've just said with those words acknowledging his state so it's not an effective counter.

We aren't talking about a regular superhero here (or are we?). If the GoT can stand and then lunge for Thanos he should have the strength to burst out of Maw's binds that are the result of just a quick throwaway spell, especially with his [BLACKOUT]brother dying before him[/BLACKOUT]. It's not exactly all that much later that this same guy is taking on the full might of a neutron star that even Eitri, who knows Thor's abilities, declares is a suicidal thing to do.

It's really hard to stay on topic in threads about other powerful MCU characters as as soon as Thor gets mentioned anywhere it instead turns into a back and forth about Thor.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Honestly, I think each tier should have its own match up each week. Would be way more efficient than 1 per week.

 

[BigThor]

Dude, I realise this is for your power tiers and you've put a lot of respectable effort into it....but when you're done with the tiers, why not team up battles ( as many heroes pair up) ?

E.G. Cap and Bucky vs Black Panther and Okoye.

Iron Man and War Machine vs Vision and Scarlet Witch

Spider Man and somebody vs Luke Cage and Iron Fist


And the list goes on....

I'm with it, let's do it!

Honestly, I think each tier should have its own match up each week. Would be way more efficient than 1 per week.

I'm down