MCU Fight: Hulk vs Vision

[BigThor]

Wow, I thought this thread ended Sunday that's why I posted the new one.

Oh well, I'll still keep it up to get us back on schedule.

 

[CoherentChaos]

I still think it's a stalemate, despite the teasing. If Thor can tank the Reality Stone's energy output, why can't Hulk tank the Mind Stone's? Plus Hulk has withstood Thor's lightning, which I think holds more visceral "BOOM" than Vision's beams and I think Thor's damage output far outclasses any other Avenger so far with perhaps the exception of an enraged Wanda. So while Thor would eventually beat Hulk, Hulk not simply blowing up like an NPC in Fallout with the Bloody Mess perk from two of Thor's lightning strikes puts Hulk's durability waaaaay up there.

And yes, there's the fact that Vision has similar physical stopping power to the Leviathan punch.

Seems Vision will win this poll regardless of how I vote (and for many, perhaps even me in the end, this will be the correct outcome) so I'll give Hulk a point simply for even being conceivably able to render this fight a stalemate. He'd be the underdog of this fight for sure but I think he's incredibly hardy and would make Vision really work for it.

 

[jaqua99]

Wow, I thought this thread ended Sunday that's why I posted the new one.

Oh well, I'll still keep it up to get us back on scbedule.

Yeah sorry man, I didnt get to post it till Tuesday

 

[Chance Jackson]

Stalemate unless Vision can pull out Hulks Heart and or Brain

 

[Spider-Fan]

People with these fights always look for ways the heroes kill the other, but that's never what they strive for. Vision is never going to try and remove the Hulk's heart, but that doesn't mean he cannot hurt him.

 

[Surfer]

Wow, I thought this thread ended Sunday that's why I posted the new one.

Oh well, I'll still keep it up to get us back on scbedule.

I think some people were waiting because they didn't know how they wanted to vote.

Surfer

 

[Surfer]

Vision's feat is nowhere as impressive. He hits Giant Man by surprise and knocks him off balance.

Hulk stops the Leviathan, which is slightly bigger, made of alien alloys and has plenty of forward momentum. Hell even Spider Man made Giant Man flinch.

Just watched Age of Ultron - Vision is not "made of Vibranium" he has vibranium infused into whatever weird artificial tissue chamber was making ( probably the same tech they used to fix Hawkeye when he was wounded ).
Anyway ,as BigThor pointed out MCU vibranium is far from indestructible - although Cap's shield, which is solid vibranium seems pretty close.

I think folks are overestimating Vision's durability, skill and his feats ( which arent that impressive when you think about them) and underestimating Hulk's destructive power. Sure Vision took out Hawkeye, mostly by standing still and letting Hawkeye hit him. He goes toe to toe with Ultron Prime, which is more impressive......but then again Cap was pretty good against Ultron semi-prime.

Vision's mind gem is awesome at blasting inanimate objects, badly damaged Ultron bots and nearly killing unsuspecting allies ( from behind) but otherwise it only gets used against one really tough target - Ultron Prime, (and lets face it, he wasnt all that) although Thor and Iron Man help out a lot.

While Vision is highly effective against less powerful enemies, we dont really see him take on someone of his own power level and do much more than hold his own.

By comparison Thor and Hulk deal each other some massive blows, and Thor ( with a power surge), nearly takes Hulk out - although Hulk recovers very quickly. Hulk is able to KO a weakened Thor. Hulk is able to fight an immortal asgardian wolf and smack it around.

That's all a lot more impressive than tanking tons of Ultron bots, because so did Hawkeye.

Scarlet Witch has used her mind powers on both Hulk amf Vision - Hulk nearly destroyed Cape Town, while Vision....fell through the floors.

I'm far from a Hulk fan but I feel he's been a bit undersold in this poll. Also, in the big smackdown in Civil War, Vision does bugger all except stagger Giant Man, blast the tower and almost kill War Machine, by accident. I mean wtf was he doing most of that fight ? Floating around looking multi coloured and thoughtful ?

What does that have to do with whether Vision could beat Hulk ? Not much really, but I thought I'd put it out there to remind everyone how overrated MCU Vision is.

I do agree with some of the things your saying, but Vision has not had as many feats displayed as Hulk, and the feats that have been displayed to me seem to show a character that is in the range of Hulk and Thor for power.

I mean Vision hit Ultron with Mjolnir as hard and as far as any of the hits from Hulk hitting Thor or Thor hitting Hulk we have seen. Now some might say it was because of Mjolnir, but I would contend that Visions body could become super dense and given he is part Vibranium I believe an impact with his fist would not be that different of a result.

Also, Hulk when punching the Leviathan, gets pushed back. Where as Vision when punching the bus is immovable. This is not to suggest that the Leviathan doesn't weigh more, but could Vision have done the same feat as Hulk with the Leviathan. Possibly. We also know Vision propelled Giant man back with an impact that he did not seem to put much momentum into. If he had come from a distance flying as fast as he could it would have knocked back Giant Man a considerable amount more.

At least thats how I see it.

Surfer

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah but Hulk also hit Ultron Prime a couple of times, and sent him just as far as Vision did without the help of Mjolnir.

 

[Batmannerism]

I do agree with some of the things your saying, but Vision has not had as many feats displayed as Hulk, and the feats that have been displayed to me seem to show a character that is in the range of Hulk and Thor for power.

I mean Vision hit Ultron with Mjolnir as hard and as far as any of the hits from Hulk hitting Thor or Thor hitting Hulk we have seen. Now some might say it was because of Mjolnir, but I would contend that Visions body could become super dense and given he is part Vibranium I believe an impact with his fist would not be that different of a result.

Also, Hulk when punching the Leviathan, gets pushed back. Where as Vision when punching the bus is immovable. This is not to suggest that the Leviathan doesn't weigh more, but could Vision have done the same feat as Hulk with the Leviathan. Possibly. We also know Vision propelled Giant man back with an impact that he did not seem to put much momentum into. If he had come from a distance flying as fast as he could it would have knocked back Giant Man a considerable amount more.

At least thats how I see it.

Surfer

Agree to disagree.

Hulk crumples a giant armoured alien war machine which is flying at reasonable speed ( other leviathans werw smashing through buildings) and made of tough alien alloys.

Vision braces himself and lets a bus ( which is made of whatever the cheapest steel going is) crumple around him ( side on).

The two arent remotely close in either awesomeness or effort required.

Hell, Spider Man made Giant Man flinch, if Hulk hit him hed be flat , not stumbling.

Hulk has taken hits from Mjolnir and staggered but not dropped or gone flying.

I feel like people are giving Vision a level of strength that he just does not have - based on the paltry feats we've seen.

If he arm wrestles Thanos and wins in IW or does anything impressive enough to make me think he could beat Hulk I will come back here and post it. Until then I think Hulk would tear him apart.

 

[BigThor]

Hulk has taken hits from Mjolnir and staggered but not dropped or gone flying.

Lol no, Mjolnir took Hulk off his feet and he flew into the side of a jet.

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[Surfer]

Agree to disagree.

Hulk crumples a giant armoured alien war machine which is flying at reasonable speed ( other leviathans werw smashing through buildings) and made of tough alien alloys.

Vision braces himself and lets a bus ( which is made of whatever the cheapest steel going is) crumple around him ( side on).

The two arent remotely close in either awesomeness or effort required.

Hell, Spider Man made Giant Man flinch, if Hulk hit him hed be flat , not stumbling.

Hulk has taken hits from Mjolnir and staggered but not dropped or gone flying.

I feel like people are giving Vision a level of strength that he just does not have - based on the paltry feats we've seen.

If he arm wrestles Thanos and wins in IW or does anything impressive enough to make me think he could beat Hulk I will come back here and post it. Until then I think Hulk would tear him apart.

And it's okay you have your opinion. However, the point of using polls to create a tier system is to understand that an individuals opinion is subsidiary to the whole of the group and that the majority has the higher likelyhood of coming up with the correct answer. In this case it seems the group or pool of people felt Vision was more powerful than Hulk given all factors involved. But this will always be somewhat speculative and there can never be any true right or wrong answer for any of this as it truley is up to the writers and directors to decide who wins in a battle.

Surfer

 

[Batmannerism]

Lol no, Mjolnir took Hulk off his feet and he flew into the side of a jet.

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That's fair, I forgot about that hit - although Hulk doesnt fly too far ( granted the jet was in the way) and is back on his feet in no time.

Thor's gotten stronger since then, because without Mjlonir he was losing that fight - whereas in Ragnarok he does a lot better ( especially after his power up !)

How heavy is Mjolnir ? In TDW Thor hangs it on a coat-rack.

I always thought it wasnt that heavy, just the magic "worthiness " requirement means that people cant lift it.

 

[BigThor]

That's fair, I forgot about that hit - although Hulk doesnt fly too far ( granted the jet was in the way) and is back on his feet in no time.

Thor's gotten stronger since then, because without Mjlonir he was losing that fight - whereas in Ragnarok he does a lot better ( especially after his power up !)

How heavy is Mjolnir ? In TDW Thor hangs it on a coat-rack.

I always thought it wasnt that heavy, just the magic "worthiness " requirement means that people cant lift it.

He still flew.

 

[jolldan]

Got to be Vision for me for the sheer fact he can phase.

Can't be much the green goliath could do against someone literally ripping him apart from the inside.

Plus I don't think we have ever seen mcu Hulk destroy Vibranium so it's not like he could rip Vision apart like he did the Hulkbuster suit.

 

[ernesth100]

After seeing Thanos fold Hulk like that I'm wondering if he could do the same to Vision. with just one stone.

 

[Bach]

The problem here is that we've never seen Vision fighting at full strenght, at least that's what I think. I don't think he was that serious against Ultron nor in Civil War. Aaaand he got pierced through the chest in IW, which greatly suppressed his powers.

For all we know, the limits of his density manipulator could be very high, which means he could possess a great amount of strength.

I personally think this poll was made too soon. Hulk is very strong, but I haven't yet seen what Vision is capable of.

 

[BigThor]

The problem here is that we've never seen Vision fighting at full strenght, at least that's what I think. I don't think he was that serious against Ultron nor in Civil War. Aaaand he got pierced through the chest in IW, which greatly suppressed his powers.

For all we know, the limits of his density manipulator could be very high, which means he could possess a great amount of strength.

I personally think this poll was made too soon. Hulk is very strong, but I haven't yet seen what Vision is capable of.

It was made at the right time actually, if it was made after IW it would've been a landslide victory for Hulk

 

[Batmannerism]

I suspect that if this poll had come out after Infinity War, then the numbers might have been different.

In Infinity war Vision is mostly a liability, although he does save Cap by back-stabbing Glaive.

Meanwhile Hulk gets beat down by Thanos, and then punks out for the rest of the film.

I suppose being KO'd by Thanos is more impressive than being Ko'd by his flunkies.

 

[BigThor]

I suspect that if this poll had come out after Infinity War, then the numbers might have been different.

In Infinity war Vision is mostly a liability, although he does save Cap by back-stabbing Glaive.

Meanwhile Hulk gets beat down by Thanos, and then punks out for the rest of the film.

I suppose being KO'd by Thanos is more impressive than being Ko'd by his flunkies.

Yeah getting beat by Thanos is a lot more impressive than having to be saved from a character who isn't even Powerhouse Tier.

But to be fair, Vision was heavily injured from a sneak attack.

 

[ernesth100]

Vision on a regular basis is Superman. The only reason he was getting bullied in IW is because the weapons he was being attacked with were designed with the power to take him down. Also they kept sneak attacking while he was off guard or down.

 

[Thör-El]

I suspect that if this poll had come out after Infinity War, then the numbers might have been different.

In Infinity war Vision is mostly a liability, although he does save Cap by back-stabbing Glaive.

Meanwhile Hulk gets beat down by Thanos, and then punks out for the rest of the film.

They both came out of Infinity War looking weaker really.

Hulk got beaten down by Thanos so easily/overwhelmingly he was afraid to come out for the rest of the film despite end of the world level stakes.

Vision got backstabbed by a top tier superhuman (not a powerhouse but above Cap) wielding a high powerhouse level weapon that can cut through vibranium (i.e. Ultron Prime/Cap's shield/the Black Panther suit) and block his phasing ability. And credit where it's due despite serious pain he got back up and kept fighting; unlike a certain green goliath.

 

[HammerDown]

IW was filled with sneak attacks from plenty of characters and Vision suffered a severe one which put him on the ropes... He still came back from it and kept fighting but things didn't look that bright after that initial ambush.

Taking the sneak attack out of the equation and putting a fair "Vision vs Corvus Glaive" and i believe we would have a much stronger showing from Vision. In a fair fight i have little doubt that Vision would win the encounter without that much of a problem.

 

[KangConquers]

That's true - although Thor's powers have waxed and waned a lot over the years - I remember when he was truly immortal but had brittle bones due to Hela's curse.

I would say that MCU Thor is less nerfed than MCU Hulk.

Comic book Hulk has fought the strongest beings the Marvel universe has and won ( including Thor) - mostly because his strength and durability are nearly limitless.

I feel like MCU Thor is closer to the comic version than MCU Hulk.

Comic Thor has one shotted Hulk. The problem is Thor is usually morals on, and Hulk is blood lusted. If Thor was trying to kill Hulk, Hulk would not survive. Too many powers.

 

[BigThor]

Comic Thor has one shotted Hulk. The problem is Thor is usually morals on, and Hulk is blood lusted. If Thor was trying to kill Hulk, Hulk would not survive. Too many powers.

I don't know why people don't know this, when he said that I was like "lol what".

Comic Book Thor is so OP it's ridiculous, it's pretty much PIS anytime he loses to anyone below Skyfather level.