MCU Fight: Surtur Prime Vs. Eson the Searcher with Infinity Stone

[Surfer]

Whoops, I was thinking of the power stone, but you're right obviously they would work if the time stone works..... duh, where was my brain today ?

But seriously, what about a "draw" option ?

I suppose creating a draw option is something to consider, but my previous thought on characters coming to a draw was if the number of votes for each character were exactly the same in the end, then it would be a true draw. It's just I would prefer true winners and losers in most cases to create a true hierarchy of their power levels. I mean how many Boxing matches end in a draw? Even if the characters are pretty evenly matched and make it to the last round without a knockout, the judges still make a technical decision with who was winning the battle. I also feel there are going to be many battles where the characters are close and I feel putting a draw option may result in several characters all sharing the same line because fans used the draw option as a crutch instead of digging a little deeper. Anyways, I will think on it and if jaqua99 or BigThor want to PM me with their thoughts, I would appreciate it.

Thanks!

Surfer

 

[jaqua99]

Finally I can return!

I don't know. Does the power gem enhance Eson's durability?

I think they are both cosmic. With the power gem, the Celestial has more raw power. But Surtur, with twlight can probably knock Eson around, and if he gets above him, I don't see Eson tanking Surtur's sword.

I think the reason I give this to Surtur is that he was magical in nature. He was "killed" by Odin... Except he survived, because, demon god magic.

"I cannot die, not until I destroy Asgard"

What either of them can "bust is irrelevant". Should Surtur know him down, he over powers him and probably destroy the giant Celestial's armor.

Should the Celestial land a hit on Surtur..who, evidentally is immune to death until he "destroys" Asgard, what happens? I would imagine Surtur gets continuosly knocked around for eternity.

Surtur's existence, in MCU canon is exclusively prophetic dependent.

I think this fight is a draw as well. They wear each other out, or fight until the landscape is destroyed.

No vote, but if I have to later on, I go with Surtur

 

[Surfer]

Finally I can return!

I don't know. Does the power gem enhance Eson's durability?

I think they are both cosmic. With the power gem, the Celestial has more raw power. But Surtur, with twlight can probably knock Eson around, and if he gets above him, I don't see Eson tanking Surtur's sword.

I think the reason I give this to Surtur is that he was magical in nature. He was "killed" by Odin... Except he survived, because, demon god magic.

"I cannot die, not until I destroy Asgard"

What either of them can "bust is irrelevant". Should Surtur know him down, he over powers him and probably destroy the giant Celestial's armor.

Should the Celestial land a hit on Surtur..who, evidentally is immune to death until he "destroys" Asgard, what happens? I would imagine Surtur gets continuosly knocked around for eternity.

Surtur's existence, in MCU canon is exclusively prophetic dependent.

I think this fight is a draw as well. They wear each other out, or fight until the landscape is destroyed.

No vote, but if I have to later on, I go with Surtur

The Power Stone may add to the characters durability. We saw Ronan with the Power Stone take a direct hit from a pretty big Rocket blast coming from Rocket Racoon and he walked away without a scratch. Also, again with Eson Destroying the planet you can see the blast come from the Power Stone and he seems unphased by it. I mean our minds tell us if he started the blast he must not be in danger of it, but the reality is if you lit a stick of dynamite you wouldn't want to sit there holding it, because the blast would not only destroy your target, but you as well. So, Eson must be extremely durable to take the blast he created and not be phased by it.

I understand what you are saying about predestination, but Odin stopped Surtur without killing him, and I would still consider stopping someone to be defeating them, and therefore it would be a win. I consider the power that Eson has to be sufficient to stop Surtur Prime as well. I know the comics don't count, but consider in them All of the Gods challenged the Celestials and lost badly.

As for the draw option, we can discuss it for future battles if you want to PM me, but this battle was not set up that way, so if you want to vote you will need to choose.

Also, welcome back and hope you were able to do well on the work you had to do.

Surfer

 

[Docker2.0]

The Celestial

 

[Chance Jackson]

Finally I can return!

I don't know. Does the power gem enhance Eson's durability?

Yes

I think the reason I give this to Surtur is that he was magical in nature. He was "killed" by Odin... Except he survived, because, demon god magic.

"I cannot die, not until I destroy Asgard"

I don't recall Odin killing him and He seemed pretty dead until Loki threw him into the eternal flame

What either of them can "bust is irrelevant".

I don't see how that is irrelevant

Should the Celestial land a hit on Surtur..who, evidentally is immune to death until he "destroys" Asgard, what happens? I would imagine Surtur gets continuosly knocked around for eternity.

Surtur's existence, in MCU canon is exclusively prophetic dependent.

I think you're taking that too literally

 

[Chance Jackson]

While I still think Eson wins, I agree that ( just like Yoda) you can't judge Asgard by it's size. Clearly it is imbued with immense mystical power (E.g. the Bifrost) and the regular laws of physics do not seem to apply. Is it even in normal space ?, Loki fell from the Bifrost and ended up on Earth- and it connects to other realms ( Svartalfheim, Jotunheim etc even without the Bifrost)

I don't think Surtur destroying Asgard is equivalent to him destroying a land mass or asteroid of similar size.

Loki did not fall to earth from the bifrost.

When loki fell from the bifrost in Thor he ended up somewhere and eventually with Thanos who sent him to earth through the doorway created by the Tesseract

 

[jaqua99]

The Power Stone may add to the characters durability. We saw Ronan with the Power Stone take a direct hit from a pretty big Rocket blast coming from Rocket Racoon and he walked away without a scratch. Also, again with Eson Destroying the planet you can see the blast come from the Power Stone and he seems unphased by it. I mean our minds tell us if he started the blast he must not be in danger of it, but the reality is if you lit a stick of dynamite you wouldn't want to sit there holding it, because the blast would not only destroy your target, but you as well. So, Eson must be extremely durable to take the blast he created and not be phased by it.

I understand what you are saying about predestination, but Odin stopped Surtur without killing him, and I would still consider stopping someone to be defeating them, and therefore it would be a win. I consider the power that Eson has to be sufficient to stop Surtur Prime as well. I know the comics don't count, but consider in them All of the Gods challenged the Celestials and lost badly.

As for the draw option, we can discuss it for future battles if you want to PM me, but this battle was not set up that way, so if you want to vote you will need to choose.

Also, welcome back and hope you were able to do well on the work you had to do.

Surfer

We don't know what Odin did, or if there was context or artifacts. It can't be used.

All that we have in canon is that Surtur was assumed "dead" when he wasn't. And that he said he can't die until he fulfills the prophecy.

As far as Eson taking the blast of the power gem. I would think the wearer is immune to any destructive output by the gem. That is, in theory, a nuke could possibly take out power gem Thor, while a blast with the power gem he wields doesn't.

Also, we don't know if Eson tanks the planet.. only the output of the gem.

Given the users dependency on the gem, Eson's only durability feat being tanking a blast from a weapon he is embued with, Surtur's magical nature.. I say a draw.


Instead of a draw option, we can do what I do.

Either add a vote for each if someone says a draw, or (like I assume others do), don't vote if one thinks it is a draw.

 

[Surfer]

We don't know what Odin did, or if there was context or artifacts. It can't be used.

All that we have in canon is that Surtur was assumed "dead" when he wasn't. And that he said he can't die until he fulfills the prophecy.

As far as Eson taking the blast of the power gem. I would think the wearer is immune to any destructive output by the gem. That is, in theory, a nuke could possibly take out power gem Thor, while a blast with the power gem he wields doesn't.

Also, we don't know if Eson tanks the planet.. only the output of the gem.

Given the users dependency on the gem, Eson's only durability feat being tanking a blast from a weapon he is embued with, Surtur's magical nature.. I say a draw.


Instead of a draw option, we can do what I do.

Either add a vote for each if someone says a draw, or (like I assume others do), don't vote if one thinks it is a draw.

Okay, so we are saying the draw option is essentially not to vote, because it would be the equivalent of casting a vote for each character and that would just cancel each other out, which is the same effect as no vote at all. Sounds right to me.

Surfer

 

[jaqua99]

I voted, Celestial wins

 

[Surfer]

I voted, Celestial wins

Okay, cool! If anyone else wants to vote there is only a few hours left before the poll will close. And don't forget to tell us in your comments which tier you think each character belongs in.

Thanks!

Surfer

 

[Surfer]

The battle of Surtur Prime Vs. Eson the Searcher with the Infinity Stone has ended and a new battle between Ronan with the Power Stone Vs. Hela has begun. Link below.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=537581

Surfer

 

[marvelart]

I will go with ESON THE SEARCHER WITH INFINITY STONE.