MCU Fight: Ego the Living Planet Vs. Eson The Searcher

[jaqua99]

While I agree with you regarding something needing to be Canon, I don't necessarily agree with you regarding the confirmed part. There are many things we can't confirm in these battles and I don't think we should require an official confirmation for all things before we can make a decision on a subject. Unfortunately, this allows things to pass a little bit into a grey area of peoples perceptions, but it is absolutely required in order for these battles to work on a fundamental level.

Take for example the Hulkbuster Iron Man Vs. Abomination battle. Unless sometime later they are actually doing battle on screen in the MCU we have no way of knowing for sure what would happen in such a battle. Should we be required to wait for them to face off on screen to get some kind of official confirmation of their standings? No, it just doesn't make sense. So, instead we draw upon other details available like the Hulk Vs. Abomination fight and the Hulkbuster Vs. Hulk fight for us to come to a decision. Those things we draw upon are in the MCU movies and television so they are Canon and they help us to come to the best decision we can make based on our perceptions of that information.

The Ego / Knowhere thing is very much the same thing. Everything that appeared on screen is Canon and part of the MCU, but some people might perceive that Ego is part of Knowhere based on the evidence I presented and others may not. It is the same perception used when deciding on who wins the battles. The fans use the information provided on screen to come to a conclusion, will everyone see things the same all the time. No, which is the reason why the Killian Vs. Drax fight only had 2 votes separating them. Also, if everything was always an obvious answer then we would not need to have these battles to determine the outcome of their power levels. I would just make a list and tell everyone here is the official list.

So, Ultimately the battles are about the evidence on screen and how everyone digests that information differently and they come to what is hopefully a very informed but somewhat speculative answer in the end. Once again though the hope is that while the answers are speculative with enough people answering the same that it becomes more justified and more correct. The chances of one person having the wrong answer is much greater than 30 people having the wrong answer.

Anyways, if you disagree with me on this we can see what BigThor thinks on the subject as well.

Thanks!

Surfer

Well, if we do run with Ego once being Knowwhere, does it change the outcome of this fight?

I get what you are saying, but I think we may be talking about different things. My point is that, it's hard to make a direct correlation between Knowwhere once being a body of ego, and him being able to defeat Eson.

I tried to create a logic that would support using Ego's once existence as the Celestial of Knowwhere to demonstrate his superiority to Eson as a sort of rhetoric, but IEquinox explained why the logic isn't sound.

My stance is essentially rooted from this sentiment: Can we prove that Ego once being Knowwhere tips the battle in his favor?

Based on your evidence, I do believe he could have been knowwhere. And in terms of speculating and providing evidence, heck ya! We can use that. I just don't think it can be used to say he beats Eson. So I think we may be missunderstanding each other.

Hope I'm more clear.

 

[Surfer]

Well, if we do run with Ego once being Knowwhere, does it change the outcome of this fight?

I get what you are saying, but I think we may be talking about different things. My point is that, it's hard to make a direct correlation between Knowwhere once being a body of ego, and him being able to defeat Eson.

I tried to create a logic that would support using Ego's once existence as the Celestial of Knowwhere to demonstrate his superiority to Eson as a sort of rhetoric, but IEquinox explained why the logic isn't sound.

My stance is essentially rooted from this sentiment: Can we prove that Ego once being Knowwhere tips the battle in his favor?

Based on your evidence, I do believe he could have been knowwhere. And in terms of speculating and providing evidence, heck ya! We can use that. I just don't think it can be used to say he beats Eson. So I think we may be missunderstanding each other.

Hope I'm more clear.

I am just saying that Ego's feats have been greater due to the amount of screen time he has had. However, if one could connect Ego to Knowhere which I feel it's evident (but I understand others may not) than one could say we know Knowhere and Eson are from the same race of Celestials which is known through the comics, which in turn suggests their powers should be rudimentary the same. Therefore, by understanding Ego is Knowhere we have now increased the Feats in which Eson is capable of by understanding that him and Ego are the same. At least before the decapitation. So, what is left to consider is Ego's planetary form Vs. Eson's Humanoid form.

At least that is how I see it.

Surfer

 

[jaqua99]

I am just saying that Ego's feats have been greater due to the amount of screen time he has had. However, if one could connect Ego to Knowhere which I feel it's evident (but I understand others may not) than one could say we know Knowhere and Eson are from the same race of Celestials which is known through the comics, which in turn suggests their powers should be rudimentary the same. Therefore, by understanding Ego is Knowhere we have now increased the Feats in which Eson is capable of by understanding that him and Ego are the same. At least before the decapitation. So, what is left to consider is Ego's planetary form Vs. Eson's Humanoid form.

At least that is how I see it.

Surfer

Oh okay, so you were speculating to give Eson power levels without the gem, speculatively. Gotcha.

I think for this battle though we should use the power gem, since it is the only feat we have seen with him.

 

[Surfer]

Oh okay, so you were speculating to give Eson power levels without the gem, speculatively. Gotcha.

I think for this battle though we should use the power gem, since it is the only feat we have seen with him.

Okay, well BigThor agrees with you that Eson should have the use of the Infinity Stone since that was the only feat that he produced during his on screen presence, as a result your 2 votes beat out my 1 and we will include the Infinity Stone as part of what Eson can use to battle Ego.

So for anyone reading this to clarify, the battle is.....

EGO THE LIVING PLANET Vs. ESON THE SEARCHER WITH THE INFINITY STONE.

So, please include the idea that Eson has the use of the Infinity Stone when placing your vote. Sorry for any confusion.

Surfer

 

[iEquinox]

Okay, well BigThor agrees with you that Eson should have the use of the Infinity Stone since that was the only feat that he produced during his on screen presence, as a result your 2 votes beat out my 1 and we will include the Infinity Stone as part of what Eson can use to battle Ego.

So for anyone reading this to clarify, the battle is.....

EGO THE LIVING PLANET Vs. ESON THE SEARCHER WITH THE INFINITY STONE.

So, please include the idea that Eson has the use of the Infinity Stone when placing your vote. Sorry for any confusion.

Surfer

In that case I'm voting for Eson. They should be 2 very similar beings, but the infinity stone gives Eson a big advantage and should definitely tip the scales in his favour. Even if I assume Eson doesn't have his brain stored away like Ego has(which we of course know nothing about).

This scene gave us some information about how using the Power Stone works:

Gamora: "The Stone reacts to anything organic. The bigger the target, the bigger the power surge."
Star-Lord: "All Ronan's got to do is touch the stone to the planet's surface and zap. All plants, animals, Nova Corps."
Gamora: "Everything will die."

So, all Eson would have to do is touch his staff on Ego's planet, and Ego would be done for. While there may be certain situations/circumstances in which Ego might be able to prevent this, I think it's much more likely that Eson succeeds, and this is all about who would win the majority of the time. And imo, if he has the stone, that should be Eson.

I think both should be Cosmic tier.

 

[jolldan]

We never get any concrete evidence as far as I know that Ego was originally Knowwhere so I have to go with Epson.

Anybody with an inifitny stone is pretty OP in the MCU but thinking off a Celstetial with an inifitny stone is sure to be pretty tough to beat.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Had to go with Ego. Eson needed an Infinity Stone to destroy that planet, it was implied Ego would have no problem handling an Infinity Stone. So I imagine the energy’s from the Stone wouldn’t have the same effect on him as a normal planet.

Then he can consume Eson within the planet.

 

[iEquinox]

Had to go with Ego. Eson needed an Infinity Stone to destroy that planet, it was implied Ego would have no problem handling an Infinity Stone. So I imagine the energy’s from the Stone wouldn’t have the same effect on him as a normal planet.

Then he can consume Eson within the planet.

Hmm. Ronan could also wield the Power Stone. Yet he could not defend himself at all when the Guardians used it against him. Learning how to shoot a gun doesn't make a man bulletproof.. I still think Eson with the Power Stone would take out Ego in one hit.

 

[Mjölnir]

Eson with the Power Stone should win. Eson is quite likely to be able to draw on the stone's full power and would just be too much in my view.

 

[BigThor]

Nice Eson is getting some love finally.

 

[Surfer]

Eson with the Power Stone should win. Eson is quite likely to be able to draw on the stone's full power and would just be too much in my view.

Yeah, I agree without the Power Stone it would be a difficult fight for me to call, but with the Power Stone I feel Eson has the clear advantage.

Surfer

 

[Batmannerism]

Hmmm........ I guess I feel that Eson would take this one - mostly because the comic book celestials dwarf even the power of Odin and other god-like characters.

While Ego has immense power relating to the manipulation of his own form (and the expansion) a comic book celestial would still obliterate him.

I would want to see more of Eson's power in order to really give a definitive answer but my gut tells me Eson .....and Eson with an infinity stone, well that' s a no brainer, he easily vaporizes Ego.

Now, what if Ego had completed the expansion....maybe a different story.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Hmm. Ronan could also wield the Power Stone. Yet he could not defend himself at all when the Guardians used it against him. Learning how to shoot a gun doesn't make a man bulletproof.. I still think Eson with the Power Stone would take out Ego in one hit.

Ronan wasn't a celestial. Not to mention unless you destroy Ego's brain, you can't kill him. Eson only seemed to destroy that planets surface unless I am remembering wrong.

Also, that planet had no way to fight against Eson so couldn't defend itself. Ego would defend himself and so Eson might not even get the chance to use the stone.

 

[BigThor]

Ronan wasn't a celestial. Not to mention unless you destroy Ego's brain, you can't kill him. Eson only seemed to destroy that planets surface unless I am remembering wrong.

Also, that planet had no way to fight against Eson so couldn't defend itself. Ego would defend himself and so Eson might not even get the chance to use the stone.

Eson actually destroyed the entire planet, it showed the planet exploding.

Ronan was only going to destroy the LIFE on Xandar, you know people, plants, animals. People should understand this when trying to compare Eson's feat to what Ronan was capable of doing.

 

[jolldan]

Good match this week man, not sure if it was meant but I like match up of a character with planet busting capabilities against a literal planet.

Looking forward to next week.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Eson actuLly destroyed the entire planet, it showed the planet exploding.

Ronan was only going to destroy the LIFE on Xandar, you know people, plants, animals. People should understand this when trying to compare Eson's feat to what Ronan was capable of doing.

Ah okay fair enough.

But even so, that planet couldn’t fight back against Eson, Ego certainly could and would. Not to mention he may be able to contain the power of the Infinity Stone.

 

[BigThor]

Ah okay fair enough.

But even so, that planet couldn’t fight back against Eson, Ego certainly could and would. Not to mention he may be able to contain the power of the Infinity Stone.

I think Eson would destroy the planet before he has a chance to fight back, it's not like destroying the planet was a long draw out process.

He literally just tapped his staff against the ground, it took time for Ego to use his planetary body to attack if the Guardians can survive it so can Eson except much easier.

 

[jaqua99]

I wonder how fast Ego can manipulate his environment on the scale of Eson's size. We hadn't seen if he could against the Guardians. If Ego can someone mattet manipulate and grab hold of Esons legs, or his arms, then Eson dies and Ego ends up with the power gem.

He definitely has the power to take down Eson. But it depends on, like BT said, if Ego can do that before Eson can slam his staff down.

I'd imagine he can, even though it was slower against the Guardians. I'd imagine Eson raises his staff, and the planet launches itself at Eson's arms or staff or legs quickly.

Still dont know who to vote for

 

[Surfer]

Good match this week man, not sure if it was meant but I like match up of a character with planet busting capabilities against a literal planet.

Looking forward to next week.

It was intentional, plus it gave me a chance to share a fan theory about Ego that is not too well known regarding the connection between Ego and Knowhere, which if believed essentially equates also to a connection between Ego and Eson. It just becomes an interesting dynamic all the way around. Glad you enjoyed it.

Surfer

 

[metaphysician]

*cough* Why assume Eson has planetbusting capacity? Sure, the *Power Stone* does, but the Power Stone does not belong to Eson anymore than the Tesseract belongs to Loki.

 

[iEquinox]

*cough* Why assume Eson has planetbusting capacity? Sure, the *Power Stone* does, but the Power Stone does not belong to Eson anymore than the Tesseract belongs to Loki.

Because of this:

Okay, well BigThor agrees with you that Eson should have the use of the Infinity Stone since that was the only feat that he produced during his on screen presence, as a result your 2 votes beat out my 1 and we will include the Infinity Stone as part of what Eson can use to battle Ego.

So for anyone reading this to clarify, the battle is.....

EGO THE LIVING PLANET Vs. ESON THE SEARCHER WITH THE INFINITY STONE.

So, please include the idea that Eson has the use of the Infinity Stone when placing your vote. Sorry for any confusion.

Surfer

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think Eson would destroy the planet before he has a chance to fight back, it's not like destroying the planet was a long draw out process.

He literally just tapped his staff against the ground, it took time for Ego to use his planetary body to attack if the Guardians can survive it so can Eson except much easier.

It took time as the Guardians and burrowed to his Core. If someone like Eson lands on his surface, I imagine Ego would know straight away and would staff measures.

 

[jaqua99]

Hmmm. I'm gonna have to go with Eson.

I truly think Ego can win and is more powerful but I ultimately see Eson being faster