MCU X-Men

[Dark Raven]

Imagine how good MCU Iceman’s powers could look, staying in iced up form for good parts of the film and ice sliding all over the place with other characters using his slide and all kinds of offensive ice attacks.

I get some find him a bit boring but every team needs an Everyman through which to learn about the team. That said, I would definitely support your lineup above! I’m more a comics than Animated Series guy but it would be a great nod for them to go with that.

Killer Frost did the ice slide well in the Flash. That's the kind of action I want to see. It was like she was riding a roller coaster. The X-Men films never gave us any of the kind of thrills that we got with Killer Frost.

Also, I don't want to see Iceman in a uniform again with just his head or hands iced up. I hated him wearing the black leather uniforms in the Singer films. What I want to see is Iceman how he looked fully iced up like in Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends. That whole blocky ice covering look.

Also, have it look like solid white ice, not like transparent ice that looks like it's melting, or like an ice sculpture. He should never look like he's melting. He should be able to maintain freezing temperature at all times.

 

[Frankeh]

We've never gotten a great looking Iceman. The best we got was the ice slides in DOFP and they were short lived.

 

[Iceman]

Killer Frost did the ice slide well in the Flash. That's the kind of action I want to see. It was like she was riding a roller coaster. The X-Men films never gave us any of the kind of thrills that we got with Killer Frost.

Also, I don't want to see Iceman in a uniform again with just his head or hands iced up. I hated him wearing the black leather uniforms in the Singer films. What I want to see is Iceman how he looked fully iced up like in Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends. That whole blocky ice covering look.

Also, have it look like solid white ice, not like transparent ice that looks like it's melting, or like an ice sculpture. He should never look like he's melting. He should be able to maintain freezing temperature at all times.

Absolutely agreed with everything above

If they can do Killer Frost that well in a CW TV show I can only imagine how Iceman's powers could look in a big budget MCU production.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

We've never gotten a great looking Iceman. The best we got was the ice slides in DOFP and they were short lived.

Well he wasn't a main character of that film as the meat was in the past. Juggling huge casts are an inherent issue with the X-Men. Everyone wants to see their faves get a spotlight and that is just gonna come up against the logistical and time limits of a film required to be a certain length among other issues.

 

[Dark Raven]

If they don't have Iceman in an X-Men movie, then have him in Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends, together with Firestar. That would be more of a showcase for Iceman than just stuck in a big X-Men team movie.

Besides, we need to see some different things than just all X-Men together like in the Fox universe. I want to see team ups or clashes with other heroes. Don't make them isolated like they were with Fox.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Absolutely agreed with everything above

If they can do Killer Frost that well in a CW TV show I can only imagine how Iceman's powers could look in a big budget MCU production.

 

[Dark Raven]

Absolutely agreed with everything above

If they can do Killer Frost that well in a CW TV show I can only imagine how Iceman's powers could look in a big budget MCU production.

This is how to do the ice slide

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Look how they film it from up above, dipping up and down and tracking Killer Frost's every movement as she rides it high and low. It looks thrilling and completely gives the feeling of being on a roller coaster.

It also films it from other angles too. It's much more interesting than anything that was done for Iceman in the X-Men films.

 

[Darepool]

Taking cues from the Crap W, no thanks.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

This is how to do the ice slide

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Look how they film it from up above, dipping up and down and tracking Killer Frost's every movement as she rides it high and low. It looks thrilling and completely gives the feeling of being on a roller coaster.

It also films it from other angles too. It's much more interesting than anything that was done for Iceman in the X-Men films.

It was also done in a cityscape background that allowed for it to be that way. In ensemble films not every character is going to get a huge (expensive) spotlight moment.

In any case many here are positing that doing the original five is a mistake so... If they follow that route there's going to be little to no Iceman anyway.

 

[LaughterLives]

Nothing looked great in Singer's X films. Minus 2 scenes in the entirety of his reign.

 

[Iceman]

That was great. Just a shame it was about as good as it got in 17 years and didn't last long at all.

 

[Iceman]

It was also done in a cityscape background that allowed for it to be that way. In ensemble films not every character is going to get a huge (expensive) spotlight moment.

In any case many here are positing that doing the original five is a mistake so... If they follow that route there's going to be little to no Iceman anyway.

In CW we saw good stuff from a large amount of characters.

I think people are objecting to having only the original 5 for a whole film and then a gap of years before seeing any more X-Men. I don't think people would mind if you got other recruits like Storm and a couple of others during the film after starting with those 5 as the original students.

Edit: Also the objection to O5 are also more about Angel than Iceman or any of the other big 3 IMO. t:

 

[Iceman]

This is how to do the ice slide

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Look how they film it from up above, dipping up and down and tracking Killer Frost's every movement as she rides it high and low. It looks thrilling and completely gives the feeling of being on a roller coaster.

It also films it from other angles too. It's much more interesting than anything that was done for Iceman in the X-Men films.

I was a bit shocked at how good it was for CW and a bit pissed too when I first saw it thinking what could have been for Iceman.

 

[Frankeh]

It was also done in a cityscape background that allowed for it to be that way.

DOFP couldn't have started with Sentinels raiding a city? It was a choice to make it start in a warehouse. The X-Franchise has a precedent of action taking place in closed spaces. That visual totally could've been accomplished. Now, I don't hold it against DOFP but it's a weird excuse.

 

[Iceman]

If they don't have Iceman in an X-Men movie, then have him in Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends, together with Firestar. That would be more of a showcase for Iceman than just stuck in a big X-Men team movie.

Besides, we need to see some different things than just all X-Men together like in the Fox universe. I want to see team ups or clashes with other heroes. Don't make them isolated like they were with Fox.

If Iceman appeared in a SahAF, it would be a great place to show him off fully with a big chunk of the spotlight on him. I wouldn't mind if he didn't debut in X-Men so much, although I'd still appreciate a mention.

 

[Marvel united]

In CW we saw good stuff from a large amount of characters.

I think people are objecting to having only the original 5 for a whole film and then a gap of years before seeing any more X-Men. I don't think people would mind if you got other recruits like Storm and a couple of others during the film after starting with those 5 as the original students.

Edit: Also the objection to O5 are also more about Angel than Iceman or any of the other big 3 IMO. t:

I wouldn't object to Storm being a student (since she's around the same age group as Scott and Jean) But I want to see the beginning of the X-Men like we've seen with every MCU hero. With no Wolverine In the first movie. Let him cool off a bit and focus on the whole team instead of just him and Charles.

I think I want Storm in the Uncanny X-Men because she's been handled terribly in the Singer films. Ororo needs redemption

 

[Iceman]

Well he wasn't a main character of that film as the meat was in the past. Juggling huge casts are an inherent issue with the X-Men.

I'd at least like to see someone try. Most of the X-Men haven't been given a proper go so far. Magneto, Mystique, Xavier and the only real X-Man to be given much, Wolverine, have of course.

Everyone wants to see their faves get a spotlight and that is just gonna come up against the logistical and time limits of a film required to be a certain length among other issues.

My faves are nearly the whole team lol. I would like them to get focus as appropriate. Time limits don't matter as you can have team scenes, and many of my favourite action scenes from comics are team moves with characters combining both simultaneously and setting up other character's moves.

 

[Iceman]

I wouldn't object to Storm being a student (since she's around the same age group as Scott and Jean) But I want to see the beginning of the X-Men like we've seen with every MCU hero. With no Wolverine In the first movie. Let him cool off a bit and focus on the whole team instead of just him and Charles.

I think I want Storm in the Uncanny X-Men because she's been handled terribly in the Singer films. Ororo needs redemption

I don't mind seeing the film start like that and have the first act be about the original 5. It would also be nice if they can create an amazing film without needing Wolverine as it would show the GA that the X-Men are a great team and Wolverine is just another great character rather than the only X-Man that matters. It's also definitely time for us to see the real Cyclops, Storm and Rogue.

 

[Dark Raven]

DOFP couldn't have started with Sentinels raiding a city? It was a choice to make it start in a warehouse. The X-Franchise has a precedent of action taking place in closed spaces. That visual totally could've been accomplished. Now, I don't hold it against DOFP but it's a weird excuse.

DOFP didn't have to take place in a city for Iceman to use an ice slide.

If you look at this clip:

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Although it does take place in a city here, Killer Frost simply takes her ice slide high into the sky to reach that ship. She's overshooting all those buildings to get up there, not using them. That could easily have been done even in a non-city setting. Surely Iceman could've done something like that even in a large open space.

And in that Crisis episode, there were plenty of characters in there, but even in the few minutes that KF was in there, she still got to shine and looked very distinct with her ice powers. I think Iceman could do that even in a big ensemble movie if they use him the right way.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

DOFP couldn't have started with Sentinels raiding a city? It was a choice to make it start in a warehouse. The X-Franchise has a precedent of action taking place in closed spaces. That visual totally could've been accomplished. Now, I don't hold it against DOFP but it's a weird excuse.

Really? Weird because a character doesn't do something, looping around like he's got the room of a city when the setting doesn't allow for it... cuz it's not a city? So the scene should have catered to one character? They should adjust their story to accommodate one character's visuals?

Again... This is just fan expectations bumping up against the time constraints of an ensemble film with tons of characters.

 

[Iceman]

DOFP didn't have to take place in a city for Iceman to use an ice slide.

If you look at this clip:

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Although it does take place in a city here, Killer Frost simply takes her ice slide high into the sky to reach that ship. She's overshooting all those buildings to get up there, not using them. That could easily have been done even in a non-city setting. Surely Iceman could've done something like that even in a large open space.

And in that Crisis episode, there were plenty of characters in there, but even in the few minutes that KF was in there, she still got to shine and looked very distinct with her ice powers. I think Iceman could do that even in a big ensemble movie if they use him the right way.

And this also shows another aspect I mentioned. You can have other characters use Iceman's ice slide to get around too. All these continuous team moves really enhances the X-Men. It doesn't work as well in the likes of Avengers and JL as you have too many all rounders with multiple abilities while there are many more single powered or limited mutants.

 

[Marvel united]

I don't mind seeing the film start like that and have the first act be about the original 5. It would also be nice if they can create an amazing film without needing Wolverine as it would show the GA that the X-Men are a great team and Wolverine is just another great character rather than the only X-Man that matters. It's also definitely time for us to see the real Cyclops, Storm and Rogue.

Oh man, I really want to see Rouge done right. Colossus and Gambit too

 

[Frankeh]

Really? Weird because a character doesn't do something, looping around like he's got the room of a city when the setting doesn't allow for it... cuz it's not a city? So the scene should have catered to one character? They should adjust their story to accommodate one character's visuals?

Again... This is just fan expectations bumping up against the time constraints of an ensemble film with tons of characters.

Who says it would've been just for him? It woud've been a better visual than a warehouse, period.

Let's not make this about the ensemble which Fox has never truly juggled well since X2. DOFP has more than a couple unnecessary additions to show off cool powers and nothing more. They bring it upon themselves.

 

[Iceman]

Oh man, I really want to see Rouge done right. Colossus and Gambit too

I hope this series is super-successful for Marvel so that we can get most of the main X-Men featuring in some capacity by the 3rd or 4th film. I don't mind limited screen time for a bunch of them as long as they all do memorable things in the time they get.

 

[Dark Raven]

And this also shows another aspect I mentioned. You can have other characters use Iceman's ice slide to get around too. All these continuous team moves really enhances the X-Men. It doesn't work as well in the likes of Avengers and JL as you have too many all rounders with multiple abilities while there are many more single powered or limited mutants.

Definitely. It's kind of like the Iceman version of the fastball special or Hawkeye shooting Ant-Man from his arrow: getting people quickly to another place so they can cut loose with their own powers.

Iceman could easily have taken the slide all the way up to a Sentinel. Or imagine if the X-Men had their own version of the battle of New York. He could get up there to those aliens overhead.

Or if we take him to a non-city setting like the airport in Civil War, he still could've used the slide against Giant Man or against other flying characters.

I'd really like to see him in Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends though. Imagine the visual of Spidey swinging through the city, alongside Firestar flying and Iceman using his ice slides. That would look fantastic and memorable.