MCU X-Men

[Dark Raven]

Who would you guys like to tackle MCU's X-Men? I'd task the Duffer Brothers.

Who are the Duffer Brothers? Do they make this?

 

[FunkMiller]

Who would you guys like to tackle MCU's X-Men? I'd task the Duffer Brothers.

If the X-Men were headed for the streaming service instead of the cinema... I’d be in full agreement with you on that one.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Who would you guys like to tackle MCU's X-Men? I'd task the Duffer Brothers.

I fancasting the Captain Marvel directors before they were announced for that. I gotta think hard about it.


Personally I hope Kevin Feige make his debut on this. MCU got great 2nd & 3rd unit directors for the action anyways.

Who are the Duffer Brothers? Do they make this?

Stranger Things... They put X-MEN Easter eggs in the show. Mentioning Professor Xavier or Dark Phoenix comic

 

[Moridin]

Personally I hope Kevin Feige make his debut on this. MCU got great 2nd & 3rd unit directors for the action anyways.

That's a bad idea on multiple fronts.
Assuming he'd even be interested, which I don't think he is, making your directorial debut on a blockbuster is not the way to go about it.

Directing is a full time job that would take a minimum of 2 years out of his schedule. Who is going to oversee the MCU while he's away?

Producing is not the same as directing, they are different skill sets. Feige's talent is in producing. In the time it takes for him find out if he's actually any good at directing the MCU could fall apart. And then he finds out he isn't a good director and delivers a bad X-Men film.

 

[Iceman]

Who would you guys like to tackle MCU's X-Men? I'd task the Duffer Brothers.

Could be interesting if they can handle the action side of it. Nice to get fans in.

 

[DrCosmic]

Thanks all.

Leo, I don't hold anything against you or think ill of your character. You look like nothing worse than a passionate X-Men fan caught in the dichotomy of the X-Men, perhaps without really understanding the issues at play.

Fans always gotta make things more complicated than they have to be.

Agreed.

Which is simpler? Xavier and Magneto have been actively using their powers in secret in the past ten years OR Xavier, and the O5 have been battling Magneto and perhaps others in secret for the past ten years?

Which is simpler? Magneto is a WWII survivor who as cryogenically frozen, or has a secondary mutation that slows his aging OR that he's a survivor of the Cambodian Genoicde?

The fact is that some of us have been immersed in comic book storytelling so long, that we consider ham fisted retcons and random genre mashing to be simple, when they certainly are not, we're just so used to them, it's second nature to us, and we associate it with characters that are only that way out of a necessity that the films don't have, and can be so for an audience that the franchise has yet to build.

 

[Boy Scout]

Modernizing it is one thing. However, one of the suggestions was no explanation for his motivations and the other was a general act of racism. I think it should be connected to something from reality, because that is the only way it has impact. I agree it cannot be the Holocaust if they reboot. But if that is the case, they'd probably have to think of something with direct real world implications that make people uncomfortable. I don't think it should be vague. Some suggestions like making him be from Afghanistan or something that stirs a reaction for people is necessary. Otherwise, a large part of the complexity of the character is lost. As is the irony of a victim of genocide increasingly becoming intolerant or bigoted as time passes.

I agree, but...Disney.

If they use Magneto at all (and they most likely won’t for a long, long time), they’ll most likely leave his history vague. Now that I think about it, I wouldn’t be surprised if they just had him be descended from a Holocaust victim and portray Magneto himself as an inheritor of his father’s (or grandfather’s) hatred.

 

[Dark Raven]

Thanks all.

Leo, I don't hold anything against you or think ill of your character. You look like nothing worse than a passionate X-Men fan caught in the dichotomy of the X-Men, perhaps without really understanding the issues at play.



Agreed.

Which is simpler? Xavier and Magneto have been actively using their powers in secret in the past ten years OR Xavier, and the O5 have been battling Magneto and perhaps others in secret for the past ten years?

Which is simpler? Magneto is a WWII survivor who as cryogenically frozen, or has a secondary mutation that slows his aging OR that he's a survivor of the Cambodian Genoicde?

The fact is that we've been immersed in crazy storylines so long, that we consider question begging retcons and insertions of random genres to be simple, when they are not, we're just used to them.

I don't think it has to be a secondary mutation, but it could be a side effect of using electromagnetic forces. Maybe something to do with the iron in his body and how it affects his blood cells, which then slows down the ageing.

I agree, but...Disney.

If they use Magneto at all (and they most likely won’t for a long, long time), they’ll most likely leave his history vague. Now that I think about it, I wouldn’t be surprised if they just had him be descended from a Holocaust victim and portray Magneto himself as an inheritor of his father’s (or grandfather’s) hatred.

Yes, they could always make it that it was his father who was the boy during the Holocaust and all the events we saw happen to Magneto in those Fox films happened to his father instead. Maybe his father was affected with a mutation or Nazi experimentation, which then was passed down genetically to Erik himself.

 

[JP]

Been thinking about the first MCU X-Men film and how it can be diverse and different then what we've gotten before. The last 3 X-Men films in particular have been uncomfortably focused on white males...

Xavier's School/X-Men
Charles Xavier (Doesn't have to be white, but SHOULD be American)

Instructors (I like the Evolution approach):
Storm, Beast, Logan, maybe Forge...

Students:
Scott, Jean, Jubilee, Iceman, Nightcrawler

^trying to keep the characters interesting and the interactions dynamic. Nightcrawler adds a fun visual, and cultural diversity, Jubilee is a bit of a checked box, but her personality would add a lot of fun. Iceman should be gay and maybe even Latino/black.
Scott and Jean can be a little mayonnaise-y tho. Hahaha...


Haven't thought about the villains, but knowing Feige it would be something we haven't gotten before. So, no Magneto (yet) probably no brotherhood, and no politics/human villains.

 

[FVD]

How about older brother Hemsworth Luke as either Cyclops - or Reed?

 

[Dark Raven]

How about older brother Hemsworth Luke as either Cyclops - or Reed?

Cyclops maybe. Definitely not Reed.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Luke Hemsworth is kinda bland. He wasn’t even that good on Westworld. They can do better.

 

[DACrowe]

This article is win https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/14/16776452/disney-princesses-alien-queen

Best take I have seen on this deal.

 

[fan4stic]

Agreed.

Which is simpler? Xavier and Magneto have been actively using their powers in secret in the past ten years OR Xavier, and the O5 have been battling Magneto and perhaps others in secret for the past ten years?

Xavier's powers make it an easy secret to keep.

Which is simpler? Magneto is a WWII survivor who as cryogenically frozen, or has a secondary mutation that slows his aging OR that he's a survivor of the Cambodian Genoicde?

It doesn't matter if it's simpler. It's the character. Keep it or don't use the character. This whole idea of stripping Magneto of his holocaust origin just makes no sense. This isn't some vague war backstory that could be re-issued for any era. It's the holocaust. The age explanation is simple. Someone posted an idea about it having something to do with the magnetism aspect of his powers. My personal idea is making Magneto one of the many people experimented on with various versions of the super-soldier serum, like Bucky, except it was a failure and only altered his body chemistry to slow his aging rate. It adds a layer to the universe and you could even have a flashback of Captain America rescuing a child Magneto.

The fact is that some of us have been immersed in comic book storytelling so long, that we consider ham fisted retcons and random genre mashing to be simple, when they certainly are not, we're just so used to them, it's second nature to us, and we associate it with characters that are only that way out of a necessity that the films don't have, and can be so for an audience that the franchise has yet to build.

The audience isn't stupid. It'd be easy to understand for them that Magneto has altered body chemistry or his magnetism powers make him age slower than any other normal mutant.

 

[Dark Raven]

I wouldn't mind seeing a flashback of Captain America rescuing a young Magneto during the war.

 

[fan4stic]

way to stubbornly avoid the point lol

And you're ignoring that who the terrorists are have no bearing on him building the suit. It doesn't change anything about him. Not the same for Magneto.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I'd say magneto and Xavier have a mutation slowing their age. Or we're affected by something together resulting in their longer life. Or maybe theoretically as mutants are the next evolution of man they All have longer lives. Maybe average life expectancy is around 120 if they they survive that long or 150 if they're really healthy.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

That's a bad idea on multiple fronts.

I can hope for what I wanna hope for.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Comic Storylines FOX hasn't used or hasn't used the actual name for. I think Marvel could do most of these in their own way adapting what they see necessary. They mostly just copy the name like Age if Ultron or Civil War and then do whatever they like.

Age of Apocalypse

Avenger's vs X-MEN

AXIS

Battle of the Atom

The Black Vortex

Bloodties

Curse of the Mutants

Days of Future Present

Death of X

Decimation

Deadly Genesis

Divided We Stand

E Is for Extinction

Eve of Destruction

The Fall of the Mutants

Fantastic Four vs X-MEN

Fatal Attractions

Gifted

God Loves, Man Kills (Name never used)

Here Comes Tomorrow

House of M

The Hunt for Xavier

Inferno

Inhumans vs. X-Men

Legacy Virus

Legion Quest

The Magneto War

Manifest Destiny

Messiah Complex

Messiah War

Muir Island Saga

Mutant Massacre

Necrosha

Onslaught Saga

Operation: Zero Tolerance

Phalanx Covenant

The Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire

Schism

Second Coming

Utopia

X-Cutioner's Song

X-Tinction Agenda

 

[Chesterfield]

Been thinking about the first MCU X-Men film and how it can be diverse and different then what we've gotten before. The last 3 X-Men films in particular have been uncomfortably focused on white males...

Xavier's School/X-Men
Charles Xavier (Doesn't have to be white, but SHOULD be American)

Instructors (I like the Evolution approach):
Storm, Beast, Logan, maybe Forge...

Students:
Scott, Jean, Jubilee, Iceman, Nightcrawler

^trying to keep the characters interesting and the interactions dynamic. Nightcrawler adds a fun visual, and cultural diversity, Jubilee is a bit of a checked box, but her personality would add a lot of fun. Iceman should be gay and maybe even Latino/black.
Scott and Jean can be a little mayonnaise-y tho. Hahaha...


Haven't thought about the villains, but knowing Feige it would be something we haven't gotten before. So, no Magneto (yet) probably no brotherhood, and no politics/human villains.

That's just the crappy X-Men universe in general. For a comic based on a group of people forever oppressed and whatnot the notable lack of poc characters is a joke and their treatment of their already notable lack of Black characters is beyond pathetic.

 

[Iceman]

I'd say magneto and Xavier have a mutation slowing their age. Or we're affected by something together resulting in their longer life. Or maybe theoretically as mutants are the next evolution of man they All have longer lives. Maybe average life expectancy is around 120 if they they survive that long or 150 if they're really healthy.

Would work for me. Otherwise things that are based on past events will gradually get dated and very difficult to make put together.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Picking a roster to pitch was SO hard, there's so many X-Men to choose from. You have to take into account visuals, diversity, uniqueness of power-set, character-type, etc... The team I've settled on for now is along the lines of this:

School Staff
Professor Xavier (Denzel Washington) --- Obviously the "top dog", Kind and inspirational but morally ambiguous
Forge (Adam Beach) --- Tech support, no-nonsense, won't wear a uniform
Dr. Henry McCoy (Leslie Odom Jr.) --- Science team, Charming and witty
Jubilee (Kelly Marie Tran) --- Head of Students, Overly-excited, Wants to be your friend
Alex Summers (Dacre Montgomery) --- Graduated but grounded, Impulsive, Can't control power

Mansion Field Team
Cyclops (Chris Pine) --- Team leader, Confident and strategic, Stresses a lot
Jean Grey (Blake Lively) --- Scott's second half, empathizes where he is stiff, sees the humanity behind the mission
Storm (Emayatzy Corinealdi) --- Straight-forward, powerful, does her own thing
Iceman: (Chris Colfer) --- Jokester, fun-loving, well-adjusted, openly gay
Blink: (Alia Shawkat) --- Impulsive, sarcastic, Scott's biggest headache
Rictor: (Carlos PenaVega) --- Introverted, Nervous, In a relationship with Iceman

Main Students
Quentin Quire (Finn Wolfhard) --- Rebel without a cause, Hates the school, Doesn't want to hide
Oya (Sennia Nanua) --- Faithful, Afraid of her power, Believes what the world has told her, Would rather just be cured
Armor (Piper Corda) --- Future leader, Looking for a mentor that understands her
Anole (Levi Miller) --- Bright student, Short fuse
Mercury (Sophia Lillis) --- Quiet, Doesn't want to cause any trouble
Gentle (Dante Brown) --- Struggles to control his inner rage, Not used to world outside Wakanda

 

[Fincher]

Blink: (Alia Shawkat) --- Impulsive, sarcastic, Scott's biggest headache

I don't know that they'll want to do Blink any time soon with her on The Gifted, but if and when they do I suspect she'll stay (East/Southeast) Asian.

1. Marvel's under pressure to have diversity, but racebending can draw criticism as well. Blink comes pre-racebent, like Nick Fury.

2. Fairly or not, if they make her Caucasian, they'll be criticized for whitewashing.

3. She wasn't a big comic book character before Days of Future Past, and Guardians of the Galaxy showed they're willing to take liberties with lesser known characters and that fans by and large won't care.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I don't know that they'll want to do Blink any time soon with her on The Gifted, but if and when they do I suspect she'll stay (East/Southeast) Asian.

1. Marvel's under pressure to have diversity, but racebending can draw criticism as well. Blink comes pre-racebent, like Nick Fury.

2. Fairly or not, if they make her Caucasian, they'll be criticized for whitewashing.

3. She wasn't a big comic book character before Days of Future Past, and Guardians of the Galaxy showed they're willing to take liberties with lesser known characters and that fans by and large won't care.

If Marvel does her right this time, though, she'll have pink skin, so I don't know how big of a deal it would be. I don't expect there will be much of a backlash if they make Johnny Storm white again. It's about casting people who fit the part. And (I haven't seen much of The Gifted, but does she even act like Blink on that show? Fox is kind of notorious for ignoring character's personalities.)

 

[Fincher]

If Marvel does her right this time, though, she'll have pink skin, so I don't know how big of a deal it would be. I don't expect there will be much of a backlash if they make Johnny Storm white again. It's about casting people who fit the part. And (I haven't seen much of The Gifted, but does she even act like Blink on that show? Fox is kind of notorious for ignoring character's personalities.)

Johnny Storm was originally white in the movies, though.

I don't know Blink from the comics, but sarcastic fits her well. She has an attitude, has no problem telling people what she thinks.