MCU X-Men

[Leo Zelinsky]

I think he'd make a good Black Bishop or Black Rook

 

[Chesterfield]

The casting suggestions for Storm are typically wack and often champion a "certain type" of looking actress and the last 2 suggestions pretty much prove my point. If we're casting Storm look to actresses like Nicole Beharie and Teyonah Parris or even actresses from the continent of Africa.

 

[Iceman]

What I love about the Avengers and Guardians movies is that every main character gets a moment to shine or a character moment and that they feel like true assembles.

Too many characters in the X-Men movies have been under-developed or used just for F/X scenes and action scenes while standing in the background the rest of the time.

Maybe one reason why they go down so well with the GA.

 

[DrCosmic]

Arcade: Andrew Scott
Running some sort of elaborate super-powered gladiatorial arena with mutants as the "entertainment. Perhaps his arena could be Krakoa...

All three of those are good, but this is particularly brilliant.

The casting suggestions for Storm are typically wack and often champion a "certain type" of looking actress and the last 2 suggestions pretty much prove my point. If we're casting Storm look to actresses like Nicole Beharie and Teyonah Parris or even actresses from the continent of Africa.

Arrindel and Richardson-Whitfield are also pushing 50. Even if we throw out that this is supposed to be a story early in the career of someone who got their powers at puberty, you want someone who can still be playing the part ten years from now, not someone who's going to retire shortly after RDJ.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

The casting suggestions for Storm are typically wack and often champion a "certain type" of looking actress

I'm not even gonna get into it anymore. Hopefully Feige picks someone who looks..... nvm

 

[kevork89]

Nicole Beharie is a great choice.

My suggestion earlier was Sonequa Martin Green. I also think that Gugu Mbatha Raw would be wonderful. Sydelle Noelle who just got her start in GLOW and I also really like Vicky Jeudy who’s in Orange is the New Black.

 

[Obsidian Idea]

I def wouldn't mind Sonequa.

 

[Herofan]

BTW, I've long thought that the uniforms of the bad guys Captain America fought in the beginning of The Winter Soldier looked quite a bit like the X-Men First Class uniforms, I think that was a dig rather than coincidence.

 

[Iceman]

I guess it depends on what you call an ensemble film. Civil War was all right, thanks in part to better content/execution and in part to having more to build off of. I still thought it could have done with fewer characters, though, and I still would have much preferred another solo Captain America film.

People badmouth the Fox movies for lead characters, but I consider that a good thing. It doesn't have to be Wolverine every time, but focusing on a smaller number of characters means there's time to give those characters/interactions weight instead of spreading everything thin. I didn't care that Coulson died, or that Hawkeye was brainwashed, or that Steve and Tony argued over whatever. I liked Hawkeye in Age of Ultron, so there's that, but it wasn't enough to carry the film. As far as I'm concerned, X-Men 1 was more or less pitch perfect.

Now on a TV show like The Gifted, you can spread the love around more and still have time to do everyone justice. Ideally, the mainline X-Men would be a TV show, but...

I don't think it would be such a big deal if they focused on other X-Men one at a time as well as Wolverine rather than 2 villains taking up a lot of the focus over a number of films. Having even one film each where Cyclops and Storm had led the line and come off really well would have made a lot of difference to how these films had been received by a part of the fanbase.

 

[Boom]

Gonna throw a name out there for Magneto that you're all going to hate.

Spoiler

 

[psylockolussus]

I would be fine if we don't see Magneto until the third film.

 

[Marvel united]

The casting suggestions for Storm are typically wack and often champion a "certain type" of looking actress and the last 2 suggestions pretty much prove my point. If we're casting Storm look to actresses like Nicole Beharie and Teyonah Parris or even actresses from the continent of Africa.

To be fair, Storm was originally drawn to be somewhat ethnically ambiguous. This was even pointed out in the earlier comics ("Cat eyes" etc) by a few characters. She's been drawn a myriad of different ways by different artists mucy like Peter Parker & Logan.

That being said; Jade Eshete is my choice for Storm if they go older for the X-Men

 

[Iceman]

I've got no idea about who would be best as Storm but really hope this is her time to shine. Both Cyclops (especially in the first film) and Storm will hopefully show real leadership qualities and call out attack plans for the X-Men.

 

[psylockolussus]

Blink's power set looked great on screen in DofP and works really well with other X-Men. I don't know if/when they would plan to use her in the MCU but DofP already gave a good baseline template for the visuals to build of if they ever do choose to use her.

To me, she's not even a top twenty member of the X-Men. She's more of an eXiles staple. Maybe for X-Men 10, when the likes of Scott, Ororo, Jean, Rogue, Betsy, Hank, Bobby, Piotr, Logan, Warren, Kurt, Remy, Emma, Lorna, Alison, Jubilation, Kitty, Sean, Alex, Bishop and Forge are all already well developed and they could start utilizing the third tier characters as a member of the X-Men.

 

[Iceman]

To me, she's not even a top twenty member of the X-Men. She's more of an eXiles staple. Maybe for X-Men 10, when the likes of Scott, Ororo, Jean, Rogue, Betsy, Hank, Bobby, Piotr, Logan, Warren, Kurt, Remy, Emma, Lorna, Alison, Jubilation, Kitty, Sean, Alex, Bishop and Forge are all already well developed and they could start utilizing the third tier characters as a member of the X-Men.

Yeah she is outside the top 20. She could be great in a spinoff team film eventually. But they really showcased her powers well in DofP while some of the core members who have appeared in multiple films still haven't really been able to show their powers off. Would be nice if we could get main team films more often than every 3 years so that we could get through all the core characters at some point.

 

[psylockolussus]

Yeah she is outside the top 20. She could be great in a spinoff team film eventually. But they really showcased her powers well in DofP while some of the core members who have appeared in multiple films still haven't really been able to show their powers off. Would be nice if we could get main team films more often than every 3 years so that we could get through all the core characters at some point.

That's if Mcu's plan is to make X-Men team movies as many as the Avengers team films and not just a trilogy. what I hated about Foxverse was they limited the main X-Men, then started just doing spin offs and prequels after X3. We didn't see the X-Men evolve like it did in the comics.

 

[CaptainWagner]

To me, she's not even a top twenty member of the X-Men. She's more of an eXiles staple. Maybe for X-Men 10, when the likes of Scott, Ororo, Jean, Rogue, Betsy, Hank, Bobby, Piotr, Logan, Warren, Kurt, Remy, Emma, Lorna, Alison, Jubilation, Kitty, Sean, Alex, Bishop and Forge are all already well developed and they could start utilizing the third tier characters as a member of the X-Men.

I really want to see at least a few surprising "deep pulls". We've seen two of each of most of the big stars already, and diversity & uniqueness of power set and personality is important too.

I would be fine if we don't see Magneto until the third film.

Second this. Allude to him, maybe a cameo or two, but not as a major antagonist for a good amount of time.

 

[Iceman]

That's if Mcu's plan is to make X-Men team movies as many as the Avengers team films and not just a trilogy. what I hated about Foxverse was they limited the main X-Men, then started just doing spin offs and prequels after X3. We didn't see the X-Men evolve like it did in the comics.

Trilogies were probably seen as a natural limit for a lot of solo characters but team films, particularly those with huge rosters that can be rotated, should be able to keep continuing as new characters can be written in and out to always keep things fresh. Plus when certain actors are done you can just focus on other characters. My hope is that they start a main team X-film series that becomes a long term regular franchise, and they are free to do spinoffs around it like Fox were planning to do.

 

[fan4stic]

It's not Magneto. He's not a character who benefited from the Nazis. He's not a character who owes his life to Captain America, and has concrete evidence from his youth that humans will help him out and not fear him. You're literally building a character with very different childhood experiences, and thus different values. This kind of stuff is what happens when you complicate the character, to say nothing of how, if he's 85, he's a character who has been able to stop any genoicide in recent history and just chose not to.

All versions would have had that, right? Human soldiers fought against the nazis. So all versions would know of humans helping. They wouldn't know he's a mutant, if that's what you mean. Cap doesn't have to rescue him. It would just be fun to do. But I've never seen Magneto as a prevent all genocides kinda character.

All genocides have strong relevance to this day. WWII survivors have no affect on my daily life, but I work with a guy who is only here because he had to flee Cambodia as a child. The pain and consequences of that genocide is now something that is affecting your internet conversation. How does the evil of Nazi concentration camps affect your daily life? If it doesn't, do you believe that the Cambodian genocide has a more direct affect on your life and conversation?

I believe that all genocides have that effect. But it doesn't have to be talked about to be relevant. I don't think the relevance dissipates with age or the passings of those effected.

This is the part of this argument for 85 y.o. Magneto that is so amazing to me. If a child lives through the Rwandan Genocide, are they any less upset or motivated than a child who lives through Nazi Genocides? What aspect of his character: his nature, personality, perspective, and anger, has changed exactly?

His heritage and that specific situation are apart of that character. Acts of genocide in humanity is horrific. But I could ask you the same question: Why is it anymore complicated to use what happened in the nazi camps in real life to build on the universe than to use another genocidal situation? Why is it this what we should change and not any other thing? Why not make Cap a vietnam vet? Or a Gulf War vet? Or any other war? Why does this structure of simplification benefit those characters but not others? Why shouldn't we just create a new character altogether if we're changing things?

Why have mutants exist for decades? Why have the school exist for years? How does that help the story of X-Men: Homecoming? How does that help the MCU? Why do you want to rob the audience of investing in the growth of the X-Men the way they saw with the Avengers, and even with the Guardians of the Galaxy? Why aren't the audience allowed to see the first students learn and grow? Why break the rule of 'show don't tell' when you don't have to?

The X-Men aren't like those groups, are they? We have 17 years of audience investment them, right? Having a lived in world makes the universe bigger from the start, I think. It's why in my version of the situation in the entire first movie would be dedicated to the exposure of mutants. The discovery of that world that's been just under their noses.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Trilogies were probably seen as a natural limit for a lot of solo characters but team films, particularly those with huge rosters that can be rotated, should be able to keep continuing as new characters can be written in and out to always keep things fresh. Plus when certain actors are done you can just focus on other characters. My hope is that they start a main team X-film series that becomes a long term regular franchise, and they are free to do spinoffs around it like Fox were planning to do.

^^^ This, this a hundred times.

 

[Silvermoth]

You know who would be fun for storm? Aisha Tyler. But I get they might want someone who is actually from Africa maybe

 

[DrCosmic]

All versions would have had that, right? Human soldiers fought against the nazis. So all versions would know of humans helping. They wouldn't know he's a mutant, if that's what you mean. Cap doesn't have to rescue him. It would just be fun to do. But I've never seen Magneto as a prevent all genocides kinda character.

I don't see him as that either, because he's a character who has only seen the genocides of his people, not of others. That's part of his character. And the humans didn't save 616 Magneto, his powers saved him. The humans who tried to help him were too late, his family killed, and he would too if not for mutant powers. That's the character.

I believe that all genocides have that effect. But it doesn't have to be talked about to be relevant. I don't think the relevance dissipates with age or the passings of those effected.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on what the word relevance means.

His heritage and that specific situation are apart of that character. Acts of genocide in humanity is horrific. But I could ask you the same question: Why is it anymore complicated to use what happened in the nazi camps in real life to build on the universe than to use another genocidal situation? Why is it this what we should change and not any other thing? Why not make Cap a vietnam vet? Or a Gulf War vet? Or any other war? Why does this structure of simplification benefit those characters but not others? Why shouldn't we just create a new character altogether if we're changing things?

Every adaptation does create a new character. Every adaptation changes things. The goal is to change as little as possible and still work in the new medium or time. I agree that his heritage and situation are part of his character, but I'm advocating the same situation, which includes him aging normally and not being elderly in experience or perspective, and you're advocating changing major parts of his situation and motivation just so that he can have the same heritage, which isn't actually a huge part of his character. In fact, a huge part of his character is leaving his human heritage behind in favor of mutant supremacy, and encouraging others to do the same.

The reason it's more complicated to use a real life situation from 70 years ago as opposed to one from 20 years ago is that you have 50 years of adult mutant life, and everything that comes with it, to explain.

The reason we change this small detail is because it makes the least changes to the character. We keep everything that makes Magneto the kind of person he is by changing his skin color, if that.

The reason that we don't do this for Cap, is because a huge part of Cap's character, his situation, is being a man out of time, is being old-fashioned, out of place. We are not adding or twisting Cap's story by saying that he was frozen for decades, because that is Cap's story. The smallest change we can make to Cap to keep his character in a new deacade is simply to add a decade to the time he was frozen, so that's the simple answer. Since being out of time isn't part of Magneto's storyline, keeping his WWII origin is much more complicated than for Cap.

The reason we don't make new characters for every adaptation just because we have to change things is because these characters. The image of a man who saw his family ripped away as a boy over their ethnicity and is now seeing that happen again and has the power to do something about it using incredible magnetic powers and Malcolm X-style rhetoric is a powerful one. If we use a different ethnicity, and call him a new character, we'll be quickly corrected that that's just "Rwandan Magneto." If we keep his heritage, and add a bunch of things to the character to ignore the changes our adaptation calls for, we'll have a character who people say "That's my Magneto" but him doing the things Magneto does will no longer make as much sense or is as compelling, because we have a Magneto designed for a 1963 audience and we refuse to address all of the challenges that creates.

In short, if we are willing to compromise who Magneto is, internally, in order to preserve all surface details, we may get someone who is only Magneto on the surface, whom only has surface similarities.

The X-Men aren't like those groups, are they? We have 17 years of audience investment them, right? Having a lived in world makes the universe bigger from the start, I think. It's why in my version of the situation in the entire first movie would be dedicated to the exposure of mutants. The discovery of that world that's been just under their noses.

We have 17 years of audience investment in Singer's X-Men. You have to start over and build your own. That's what TASM franchise, as Superman Returns messed up with, thinking they had Raimi Spider-Man's popularity just because the name was the same.

 

[Chance Jackson]

I'd replace Beast with Bishop and Jubilee with Psylocke and that would be the perfect roster for me.

I wouldn't complain

Magneto: Navid Negahban or Ken Watanabe

Updating his story is a must, in my opinion. It separates from what came before and avoid any convoluted "delayed aging" excuses. I'd either have him a survivor of the Cambodian genocide (Watanabe) or the political unrest and Kurdish genocide in the Middle East (Negahban).

I've seen some people claim those atrocities wouldn't have the same impact as the Holocaust because they aren't as well known. In my opinion, that ADDS to Magneto's character even more. His story was never about THE HOLOCAUST, it was about him being a victim of the cycle of fear, hate, and violence, that didn't stop when the Nazis fell and continues to this day. I think making him a victim of crimes that most of the world DIDN'T CARE ABOUT and have nearly forgotten speaks volumes into what drives him and his cynical ideology.

That said, I really don't want to see him as a primary antagonist at first. We've seen him in that role in nearly every X-Men film, when they have SO MANY great villains left unused. Like Doom, he should be built up. Once mutants are revealed to the public eye, have him as a rival leader to Xavier with his own movement. And keep the details of his past with Charles a secret to be revealed later on.

Bravo these ideas are great

^ I really like your ideas.

I think adapting Magneto with his Acolytes, Fabian Cortez, and Asteroid M would be good, and it would keep Magneto in that more ambiguous place rather than a full out antagonist.

Sinister or Shadow King would make good first film villains.

Isn't shadow king the antagonist on legion?

Holocaust-survivor Magneto would be pushing 90. I don't think ANYONE wants him to be a geriatric, and I really don't like the "some mutants age slower for convenient plot reasons" thing.

This

 

[psylockolussus]

Trilogies were probably seen as a natural limit for a lot of solo characters but team films, particularly those with huge rosters that can be rotated, should be able to keep continuing as new characters can be written in and out to always keep things fresh. Plus when certain actors are done you can just focus on other characters. My hope is that they start a main team X-film series that becomes a long term regular franchise, and they are free to do spinoffs around it like Fox were planning to do.

I would love it if they can make X-Men 1 to 6.

 

[Iceman]

I would love it if they can make X-Men 1 to 6.

I hope they can just keep going.

If a bunch of actors need to move on they can start using different X-Men plus whoever wants to stay. And they could do spinoff teams which also do the same. So much potential here.