MCU X-Men

[psylockolussus]

That's the part that I'm mostly looking toward to.

 

[LaughterLives]

You know who would be fun for storm? Aisha Tyler. But I get they might want someone who is actually from Africa maybe

I usually love your ideas but this one is awful.
I love her and she is fun. I don't know how good of an actress she is but all I see is another whitewashed version of Storm with her.
It'd just be a stronger version of Halle Berry. Which in my opinion is exactly the wrong direction to go.

 

[Iceman]

I usually love your ideas but this one is awful.
I love her and she is fun. I don't know how good of an actress she is but all I see is another whitewashed version of Storm with her.
It'd just be a stronger version of Halle Berry. Which in my opinion is exactly the wrong direction to go.

You'd rather have a weaker version of Halle Berry?

 

[LaughterLives]

You'd rather have a weaker version of Halle Berry?

I'd rather have a strong actress who can play vulnerable instead of a weak actress who looks like She-Hulk.

better?

 

[Iceman]

I'd rather have a strong actress who can play vulnerable instead of a weak actress who looks like She-Hulk.

better?

Nope. It was a joke. LaughterisDead.

 

[LaughterLives]

ah! I see.

Laughter Never Dies hahaha! That part was funny.

 

[Mad Ones]

This deal makes Marvel Comics look so stupid for retconning Quicksilver and Scarlet Witches' parentage. That story reeked of misguided, petty, editorial bs. Thanks, Ike.

 

[LaughterLives]

I just hope this means they cancel The Gifted.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I think of all of the fox men properties that deserve to live and can exist in the mcu would be legion. All the rest can get scrapped.

 

[psylockolussus]

I just hope this means they cancel The Gifted.

If the second season gets really low ratings, that would be a big possibility.

 

[Mad Ones]

I love the Gifted. It feels more X-meny than some of the Fox films.

 

[psylockolussus]

Not really. When half of the regular characters didn't even come from the comics.

 

[CaptainWagner]

This deal makes Marvel Comics look so stupid for retconning Quicksilver and Scarlet Witches' parentage. That story reeked of misguided, petty, editorial bs. Thanks, Ike.

That said, retconning them to be mutants really wouldn't have made much sense in the MCU anyway...

 

[psylockolussus]

That said, retconning them to be mutants really wouldn't have made much sense in the MCU anyway...

They are not even that essential to the X-Men mythos. If they want Magneto to have a daughter, there's Polaris who wasn't even used utilized in any of Fox films.

Decimation was cool, though I give Wanda's role to another mutant with the same mutant ability.

 

[Iceman]

I just hope this means they cancel The Gifted.

I'm not up to date, and it might not have been amazing but I was still getting something out of it. If they cancel I hope they do other X-Men shows.

ah! I see.

Laughter Never Dies hahaha! That part was funny.

 

[fan4stic]

I don't see him as that either, because he's a character who has only seen the genocides of his people, not of others. That's part of his character. And the humans didn't save 616 Magneto, his powers saved him. The humans who tried to help him were too late, his family killed, and he would too if not for mutant powers. That's the character.

I said that he didn't have to be rescued. It just would've been fun to me.

Every adaptation does create a new character. Every adaptation changes things. The goal is to change as little as possible and still work in the new medium or time. I agree that his heritage and situation are part of his character, but I'm advocating the same situation, which includes him aging normally and not being elderly in experience or perspective, and you're advocating changing major parts of his situation and motivation just so that he can have the same heritage, which isn't actually a huge part of his character. In fact, a huge part of his character is leaving his human heritage behind in favor of mutant supremacy, and encouraging others to do the same.

How you do that is simply retain his backstory and give a natural reasoning for his age. I'm liking the magnetism reasons more and more. I'm not advocating for changing main parts. I just thought it would be fun to do. It doesn't have to be a huge part of his character. It's kinda offensive to change his heritage.

The reason it's more complicated to use a real life situation from 70 years ago as opposed to one from 20 years ago is that you have 50 years of adult mutant life, and everything that comes with it, to explain.

The reason we change this small detail is because it makes the least changes to the character. We keep everything that makes Magneto the kind of person he is by changing his skin color, if that.

You don't have that much to explain. You have a simple approach of a man seeing society turn on those who are different to fuel his perception that mutants will suffer the same fate. Changing the structure of his situation is grander than making it so he ages slowly.

The reason that we don't do this for Cap, is because a huge part of Cap's character, his situation, is being a man out of time, is being old-fashioned, out of place. We are not adding or twisting Cap's story by saying that he was frozen for decades, because that is Cap's story. The smallest change we can make to Cap to keep his character in a new deacade is simply to add a decade to the time he was frozen, so that's the simple answer. Since being out of time isn't part of Magneto's storyline, keeping his WWII origin is much more complicated than for Cap.

Cap is out of time currently. He wasn't always. The out of time aspect was added when he was brought into the Avengers, wasn't it? Just like any reasoning for Magneto has been given in comics or could be given in the MCU. But how out of time he is has been changed multiple times in comics. Yet that was still maintained for the MCU. Magneto aging slower doesn't make him out of time. It makes him a seasoned man. It's different from Cap. Cap didn't live the 70 years he was frozen. There's no reason to not give Magneto the same benefit Cap is given in the MCU.

The reason we don't make new characters for every adaptation just because we have to change things is because these characters. The image of a man who saw his family ripped away as a boy over their ethnicity and is now seeing that happen again and has the power to do something about it using incredible magnetic powers and Malcolm X-style rhetoric is a powerful one. If we use a different ethnicity, and call him a new character, we'll be quickly corrected that that's just "Rwandan Magneto." If we keep his heritage, and add a bunch of things to the character to ignore the changes our adaptation calls for, we'll have a character who people say "That's my Magneto" but him doing the things Magneto does will no longer make as much sense or is as compelling, because we have a Magneto designed for a 1963 audience and we refuse to address all of the challenges that creates.

In short, if we are willing to compromise who Magneto is, internally, in order to preserve all surface details, we may get someone who is only Magneto on the surface, whom only has surface similarities.

Changing the name or changing the background, it makes no difference. It's all but creating a new character for no reason. There's no adding a bunch of things. Just the slowing of his age. It doesn't change anything.

We have 17 years of audience investment in Singer's X-Men. You have to start over and build your own. That's what TASM franchise, as Superman Returns messed up with, thinking they had Raimi Spider-Man's popularity just because the name was the same.

And we have Spider-Man: Homecoming and The Incredible Hulk showing that the audience doesn't need the same story retold in a different way. X-Men will be coming off of 18 years, 9 movies (12 counting Deadpool 1&2/The New Mutants) and 3 movies of an origin story for the X-Men. You can build a new world and have it be lived in. You don't have to completely be at 0. The audience knows what this is. It doesn't need to be over-explained.

 

[Dark Raven]

I say they just have Magneto show up in the future and don't address his background. He doesn't need to keep harping on about him being the victim of the Holocaust. If audiences want to associate him with that, they can. But maybe the general audience won't remember. It might be only the fans who do.

Spider-Man Homecoming didn't mention Uncle Ben, who is seen as vital to the mythos. They just kept it vague and got on with the story. They can do the same with Magneto.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I'd still go with the the idea of mutants naturally having a longer life span than humans. The idea that they're the next evolution and could naturally outlive us by 50 to 70 years would be an easy explanation for Xavier and Magnus. It would also be a fear factor for mutant haters, instant fear that homosapiens are being replaced by freaks that are more powerful and could out live us.

 

[LaughterLives]

I love the Gifted. It feels more X-meny than some of the Fox films.

It feels like Prison Break and Heroes mixed into one show and not as good as either.

At least I can finally hope for something better with Bryan Singer gone.

 

[psylockolussus]

Its a very average show. Heroes and Prison Break were so much better especially during their first season.

I say they just have Magneto show up in the future and don't address his background. He doesn't need to keep harping on about him being the victim of the Holocaust. If audiences want to associate him with that, they can. But maybe the general audience won't remember. It might be only the fans who do.

Spider-Man Homecoming didn't mention Uncle Ben, who is seen as vital to the mythos. They just kept it vague and got on with the story. They can do the same with Magneto.

I for one wouldn't complain.

 

[Captain Marvel]

I'd still go with the the idea of mutants naturally having a longer life span than humans. The idea that they're the next evolution and could naturally outlive us by 50 to 70 years would be an easy explanation for Xavier and Magnus. It would also be a fear factor for mutant haters, instant fear that homosapiens are being replaced by freaks that are more powerful and could out live us.

No need for all that. Just make Magneto the outlier. Say that something about his powers slows his aging process, and that's it. Or hell, maybe a member of the Brotherhood is a mutant with healing abilities which also restores youth (Something similar happened to Magneto in the comics. He was old when he started, but then a mutant named Alpha turned him into a baby, and when he was changed back into an adult, he was restored to his prime rather than his original age). There's no need to make EVERY mutant a near immortal. And unlike Magneto, Xavier isn't tied into any specific historical event, so there's no reason he can't be much younger than Magneto.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I gotta say... While Claremont was brilliant in tying Magneto into the real world history of the Holocaust, and I am not one for changing too much of a character's history congenitally speaking, I think that like with Iron Man and the Punisher that it's perhaps time to rethink Magneto's origin in light of the temporal distance between today and WWII.

Sadly, I don't think it takes a lot of effort to search for similar circumstances that you could place him in to achieve the same effect.

I hope that doesn't come off as disrespectful to the real life survivors and family of Eurpoean Jews, but similar to Frank Castle it I don't think it's disrespectful to Vietnam veterans to adjust that character to being a Marine from the more recent military conflicts. So too with Magneto. He could be someone that was from Bosnia or any of the break away Yugoslavian territories that experienced terrible ethnic cleansing. Hell... Cast a Black actor in the role and you could use the Rwandan conflict as the basis of Magneto's origin in the MCU.

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

if you change magneto to a black actor you will def come off as disrespectful to jews

unless feige goes full reboot like homecoming/high school peter again. i suspect they won't even touch magneto since fox has used him a lot. and they'll just avoid it just like osborn, since he was used so much by sony. there are still a ton of x-stories and villains they could use

 

[psylockolussus]

Mr. sinister, Cassandra Nova, Shadow King, Bastion, Mastermold, Arcade, Selene, Omega Red, the Marauders, Exodus, Mojo... So many villains that we Haven't seen in a film!

I hope that doesn't come off as disrespectful to the real life survivors and family of Eurpoean Jews, but similar to Frank Castle it I don't think it's disrespectful to Vietnam veterans to adjust that character to being a Marine from the more recent military conflicts. So too with Magneto. He could be someone that was from Bosnia or any of the break away Yugoslavian territories that experienced terrible ethnic cleansing. Hell... Cast a Black actor in the role and you could use the Rwandan conflict as the basis of Magneto's origin in the MCU

Oh dear. Just remove Magneto entirely if you are going to do that!

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

My question then is what makes Magneto being Jewish and a Holocaust survivor absolutely necessary? Because keeping that requires then adding the convolution of exposition about extended life expectancy or some macguffin or other character extending his life.

While the Holocaust being in his past gives great resonance to the character there have been people ethnically cleansed and through organized mass murder since. And THAT is what gives the struggle between Magneto and Charles it's dramatic fire. Charles has a dream and Magneto has his experience of reality. And again, the reality is one of being a member of an "out" group terribley vicitimized by the dominant group. To that end he could be from any number of peoples that have experienced systematic slaughter, and as stated, unfortunately the Jews of Europe were not the last to experience that in the 20th Century.