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The idea of Iceman being gay never bothered me that much. But didn't Jean Grey basically out him without his consent? Isn't that a really big taboo that she committed? I recall all the controversy over Iceman's orientation, but what about how Jean Grey treated Iceman? IMHO it makes Jean Grey look like a horrible person. That always put me off.

Also, no to cramming X-Men into Avengers 4.

No 1 wants to cram 16 X-Men in the first X-Men film. But they can definitely develop those 16 X-Men in a span of 5 X-Men movies and those sixteen being split into two teams.
 
CW has already proven that having a lot of characters can be managed well when you have good people in charge and sufficient prior build up for those characters. And there is a degree of confidence in IW and A4 where the whole kitchen sink is being thrown in.
 
Showing the journey of the O5 into superherodom as an adventure offers the same benefits that showing the individual superhero origins pre-Avengers instead of just starting up a popular team and including the heroes' adventures as backstory: it invests the audience in the characters. They don't need it at all, it's just an option. They can use economical storytelling to make the O5 great backstory-empowered supporting characters, like they did with Wong, Mordo, Starhawk, Hank Pym and yes, Obi-Wan, whose past adventures have no effect on the present, and are thus unimportant. And when someone tried to pretend anything other than Vader's betrayal was important and interesting for Obi-Wan we got three really pointless films with one very good climax.

I would be careful of thinking the audience cares about your supporting characters the same way they do main characters who they get to see become superheroes. No amount of economical storytelling can make Wong saving the day as satisfying as it is seeing Dr. Strange save the day.

I agree. I know many want to just skip the early founding days, but I think there is a definite danger of trying to blow your load in your first film. People want the Jim Lee/Animated Series team(s) in the first movie, but to me, it's the 3rd movie where you have them in all their glory. That's your billion dollar movie right there.

Sure, a variation of the O5 may seem "boring" to some people. But that's where plot, characterization, and visual effects come in. DisMarvel can make a solid film using these characters (with a couple changes perhaps). Maybe not an Avengers Level Event Film, but solid and good enough that by the 3rd, 4th, 5th films the groundwork would be laid.

Swap Storm for Angel for a more gender/racial balance. Original flavor Rogue as a villain. Introduce Wolverine in the second film and new and improved Rogue after a cameo in the Captain Marvel films. Have Beast turn hairy and have him join the Avengers at the end of film two. Then, when you have a mature team for film three, you have Cyclops, Jean, Storm, Iceman, Wolverine, Rogue and add a seventh (Gambit would be my choice). There. By the third film you have a close proximity of Jim Lee/Animated series X-Men. Collect your Billion Dollars.
 
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The idea of Iceman being gay never bothered me that much. But didn't Jean Grey basically out him without his consent? Isn't that a really big taboo that she committed? I recall all the controversy over Iceman's orientation, but what about how Jean Grey treated Iceman? IMHO it makes Jean Grey look like a horrible person. That always put me off.

Also, no to cramming X-Men into Avengers 4.
I never read the issue but remember seeing pages online so correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Jean take him to the side and told him she knew and encouraged him to be himself reassuring him that no would judge him if he did?

I remember Tom Holland a year ago taking about how he'd love the idea of Midtown becoming a place where a bunch of teen superheroes reside. Now, I can easily see this happening and being awesome with Johnny, Bobby, and other young mutants etc going to his school.

I'd even love the idea of Peter dating Kitty Prude for a bit like Ultimate. Ultimate Spider-Man was the only good (to GREAT at times) Ultimate series in my opinion.

I'm not fond of the idea of Peter's school becoming super hero high. I always prefer it as a sense of normalcy that he wants to hold on to, added a bunch of super humans would defeat that. But I'm not opposed to the idea of one showing up and the situations that could cause. The Kitty Pride thing was fun and I also liked the issue when Johnny Storm enrolled in his school, it could be fun to have something like that.
 
So, I've read the first three pages of this thread, and now I have my own ideas for a first MCU X-film:

Giant Size X-Men #1. Claremont's team, on a rescue mission to locate and retrieve the O5. Thunderbird dies, Wolverine is introduced at the end.

No, I don't think Krakoa should be the threat that the O5 are being rescued from; how about some combination of the Purifiers/Friends of Humanity/Trask Enterprises? Scary secret labs, pseudo-religious whack-jobs, and killer robots. Maybe throw in Sublime and his "U-Men", especially if you don't want Sentinels right now.

Absolutely need more accurate costumes than what Fox had.

Definitely hint at the idea that S.H.I.E.L.D. has known about mutants for a LOT longer than the general public. Maybe in an end credit scene; A4 perhaps?

Save Magneto/the Brotherhood's debut for the second film.

A TV/streaming series as a side or supporting project, similar to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., could focus on the younger students at the school. Jubilee could be the main character. The movies should focus on the veteran X-Men.

Wolverine could be established in a Hulk team-up/ Vs. movie.

On the villain side of things, I kind of want Sabertooth to show up in Iron Fist, but I don't think it's likely.

Best pitch I've seen on this thread. :up:
 
I agree. I know many want to just skip the early founding days, but I think there is a definite danger of trying to blow your load in your first film. People want the Jim Lee/Animated Series team(s) in the first movie, but to me, it's the 3rd movie where you have them in all their glory. That's your billion dollar movie right there.

Sure, a variation of the O5 may seem "boring" to some people. But that's where plot, characterization, and visual effects come in. DisMarvel can make a solid film using these characters (with a couple changes perhaps). Maybe not an Avengers Level Event Film, but solid and good enough that by the 3rd, 4th, 5th films the groundwork would be laid.

Swap Storm for Angel for a more gender/racial balance. Original flavor Rogue as a villain. Introduce Wolverine in the second film and new and improved Rogue after a cameo in the Captain Marvel films. Have Beast turn hairy and have him join the Avengers at the end of film two. Then, when you have a mature team for film three, you have Cyclops, Jean, Storm, Iceman, Wolverine, Rogue and add a seventh (Gambit would be my choice). There. By the third film you have a close proximity of Jim Lee/Animated series X-Men. Collect your Billion Dollars.

Why do we need to sit through X-Men Begins where Xavier builds everything from the ground up?

There have been 18 years of X-Men movies and three popular cartoons already. The public is already pretty familiar with the X-Men brand. There is nothing really to gain from retreading First Class and covering that ground when you can just say the Original Five's adventures took place in the past and start with the second team and go from there. That is where the meat of the story is.
 
Why do we need to sit through X-Men Begins where Xavier builds everything from the ground up?

There have been 18 years of X-Men movies and three popular cartoons already. The public is already pretty familiar with the X-Men brand. There is nothing really to gain from retreading First Class and covering that ground when you can just say the Original Five's adventures took place in the past and start with the second team and go from there. That is where the meat of the story is.
Many would also say the "meat" of the Spider-Man mythology is from his College years, as a matter of fact - that is absolutely true as most of the iconic stories and iconic characters (MJ, Harry, Gwen etc) that everybody knows came from the late 60s-70s and 80s run of Spider-Man but Marvel still went back to the beginning. The popularity of the 70s team will not be a factor for them considering what they've been able to accomplish with Marvel heroes who were B-List to the General Audience
 
I never read the issue but remember seeing pages online so correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Jean take him to the side and told him she knew and encouraged him to be himself reassuring him that no would judge him if he did?

The other team members were right there, so it wasn't like she was talking to him in private. I don't think she had any business giving him some "intervention" either telling him how he should or shouldn't act.

I don't see the point of doing an original five movie first. Those stories were never that popular.

I just find it highly unlikely any X-Men movie from the MCU would ever avoid using Wolverine in some capacity.
 
"A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular." I'm not going anywhere. Bobby Drake had been a heterosexual since 1963. Bendis CHANGED him. Those are facts. Incoming :sbr: rant:
As a side note, the whole thing would have made more sense if it had been Emma; trolling Bobby is one of her favorite pastimes. Also, it was revealed that the teen versions of the O5 aren't even from the same timeline, so there's no reason for adult Bobby to have the same orientation as teen Bobby. Which COULD have made for a more interesting dynamic between the two. But why would we want that? Let's just make a spectacle how "diverse" Marvel is! Or they could have given Northstar his own book. If they were really brave, they would make Wolverine gay, or Cyclops. Or Angel, that would have made a little more sense, and would require more bravery; while Warren has never been as much of a lady's man as Bobby, making a gay Angel would piss off conservatives SO much. This whole thing is just a virtue signaling, SJW publicity stunt. I won't be shocked to see the last 10-15 years of X-Men get retconed now that Axle Alonso is gone.
Does a free society mean making a thread off topic through baiting ramblings? Does SHH's policy of not derailing threads infringe on your free speech rights?

There is a long long LONG history of fans reading Bobby as gay. There are lots of little hints, whether intentional or not. Characters in comics change all the time. Why don't you focus your ramblings on something like Wanda and Pietro's parentage instead pushing your identity politics argument. Really look into why it bothers you so much that Iceman is gay. Might it be because an integral X-character who is entrenched in the mythos is gay instead of some fringe non-essential character like Northstar?

There is no clear answer to where the O5 are from. X-men Blue is exploring that right now in ways that will probably nullify ANX. At least get your facts right.

But you're fresh from youtube where people are using sjw marvel rants to get views and troll.
The idea of Iceman being gay never bothered me that much. But didn't Jean Grey basically out him without his consent? Isn't that a really big taboo that she committed? I recall all the controversy over Iceman's orientation, but what about how Jean Grey treated Iceman? IMHO it makes Jean Grey look like a horrible person. That always put me off.
Bendis' story with teen Jean was that her telepathy developed early and differently and had no one to guide her in terms of ethics. She did other shady things, but then character development happened and she grew from people calling her out. Yes, Bendis wrote teen Jean terribly in that moment. Not only did she out him, but she erased bisexuality as a possibility for him (how you identify and when you come out should be up to the person lol). Like it was pretty badly written.

Luckily Sina Grace is writing Iceman's solo and it's pretty fantastic and covers a lot of this stuff way better.
 
Why do we need to sit through X-Men Begins where Xavier builds everything from the ground up?

There have been 18 years of X-Men movies and three popular cartoons already. The public is already pretty familiar with the X-Men brand. There is nothing really to gain from retreading First Class and covering that ground when you can just say the Original Five's adventures took place in the past and start with the second team and go from there. That is where the meat of the story is.

We need X-Men Begins, the X-Knight and the X-Knight Rises.

Then X-Men vs Superman.
 
The other team members were right there, so it wasn't like she was talking to him in private. I don't think she had any business giving him some "intervention" either telling him how he should or shouldn't act.

I don't see the point of doing an original five movie first. Those stories were never that popular.

I just find it highly unlikely any X-Men movie from the MCU would ever avoid using Wolverine in some capacity.
The only argument for them not doing the 05 is popularity which probably isn't going to matter much to Feige anyway.
 
Why do we need to sit through X-Men Begins where Xavier builds everything from the ground up?

There have been 18 years of X-Men movies and three popular cartoons already. The public is already pretty familiar with the X-Men brand. There is nothing really to gain from retreading First Class and covering that ground when you can just say the Original Five's adventures took place in the past and start with the second team and go from there. That is where the meat of the story is.

And I'm saying, "why not?". For me, there's no downside really. If anything it makes for a richer universe, especially when they have to contend with "where have mutants been this whole time?" Starting with a second generation team means that it's harder to hand wave what the first generation was doing since.

And if they ever do want to go and do a proper Dark Phoenix, I think having the story of Jean and Scott from the very beginning would boost that story more.

Personally, I think if Feige is looking longterm, having the origin story is better than not. Saying we have to "sit through it" as if it was a chore is poisoning the well. It's DisMarvel. They can make a compelling X-Men origin story. Why even celebrate the X-Men homecoming when we can't even trust that they can do an X-Men Origin movie well?
 
Luckily Sina Grace is writing Iceman's solo and it's pretty fantastic and covers a lot of this stuff way better.
Cancelled. Along with America, Squirrel Girl, and Gwenpool. And I don't watch YouTube. But that's enough of that.

I thought it was interesting that it was Strucker who was raising/experimenting on the twins, seeing as Strucker has mutant twins of his own in the comics.
 
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And I'm saying, "why not?". For me, there's no downside really. If anything it makes for a richer universe, especially when they have to contend with "where have mutants been this whole time?" Starting with a second generation team means that it's harder to hand wave what the first generation was doing since.

And if they ever do want to go and do a proper Dark Phoenix, I think having the story of Jean and Scott from the very beginning would boost that story more.

Personally, I think if Feige is looking longterm, having the origin story is better than not. Saying we have to "sit through it" as if it was a chore is poisoning the well. It's DisMarvel. They can make a compelling X-Men origin story. Why even celebrate the X-Men homecoming when we can't even trust that they can do an X-Men Origin movie well?
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And I'm saying, "why not?". For me, there's no downside really. If anything it makes for a richer universe, especially when they have to contend with "where have mutants been this whole time?" Starting with a second generation team means that it's harder to hand wave what the first generation was doing since.

And if they ever do want to go and do a proper Dark Phoenix, I think having the story of Jean and Scott from the very beginning would boost that story more.

Personally, I think if Feige is looking longterm, having the origin story is better than not. Saying we have to "sit through it" as if it was a chore is poisoning the well. It's DisMarvel. They can make a compelling X-Men origin story. Why even celebrate the X-Men homecoming when we can't even trust that they can do an X-Men Origin movie well?

Its not that Marvel couldn't do the origin story well. Its that it would be a waste of time, and would only appeal to a small section of fans. Meanwhile, everyone else would be *****ing about it for a variety of different reasons (so there are plenty of downsides to taking that approach, with no real upside).

Its not worth doing. Just start with the second team and come in after the origin... like they did with MCU Spider-Man. We haven't seen him get bit by the spider or Uncle Ben dying yet, you'll notice.
 
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And I'm saying, "why not?". For me, there's no downside really. If anything it makes for a richer universe, especially when they have to contend with "where have mutants been this whole time?" Starting with a second generation team means that it's harder to hand wave what the first generation was doing since.

And if they ever do want to go and do a proper Dark Phoenix, I think having the story of Jean and Scott from the very beginning would boost that story more.

Personally, I think if Feige is looking longterm, having the origin story is better than not. Saying we have to "sit through it" as if it was a chore is poisoning the well. It's DisMarvel. They can make a compelling X-Men origin story. Why even celebrate the X-Men homecoming when we can't even trust that they can do an X-Men Origin movie well?
I don't think a 3rd Dark Phoenix should be attempted. What's the point of telling the same story 3 times in a medium where you only have one main team film every couple of years at most. It's ok doing something multiple times over many decades of comics and hundreds of issues. But in the course of say 15 films I don't want any story, no matter how great told 3 times.
 
I don't think a 3rd Dark Phoenix should be attempted. What's the point of telling the same story 3 times in a medium where you only have one main team film every couple of years at most. It's ok doing something multiple times over many decades of comics and hundreds of issues. But in the course of say 15 films I don't want any story, no matter how great told 3 times.

Just like we don't need the Fantastic Four's origin retold, as it has been in 3 out of 4 films already.
 
Marvel has made it quite clear with Spider-man and Black Panther that they aren't devoted to showing the origins of each and every one of their heroes. So I think it's more than likely that we won't get an X-Men origin story, and I'd honestly be shocked if they did. Most of what fans love about the X-Men comes from long, LONG after the O5 grew up.

If think the F4 is different. As a very public group, it would be hard to retroactively write their origin into the history of the MCU.
 
In my conception, the "mutant problem" wasn't a worldwide phenomena during the MCU Original Five's time. They faced big threats, had cool adventures, and kept the world safe. But it wasn't so wide spread enough that it gets talked about on the 24/7 cable news channels. It was easier for them to keep it contained and cover their tracks. But obviously that changes.

The other possibility is that you name drop Iceman, Angel, and maybe Beast in the first MCU X-Men movie, and set it up for them to appear later (this is what I would do). Either as supporting characters (there is nothing wrong with that) or they replace other team members (with a franchise as big as X-Men you are gonna have to cycle characters in and out, no getting around that) or maybe you spin them off onto another X-Men team (like the original X-Factor).

By making them "the original X-Men", you add more mystique and intrigue around them as characters, where the audience imagines the adventures in their minds as you seed them and name drop them or have them interact with Scott, Jean, and Xavier in the present like they are old friends. It conveys history and backstory without having to devote an entire trilogy to it.

You don't realize this but you are proving my point for me. The Star Wars prequels were better left to our imaginations. I think the original five's adventures would be the same way.

With a franchise as large as X-Men you need to have past history take place off screen. You need some characters to have past backstory and already know other characters. You need to make it "lived in". Building the entire thing from the ground up and showing everyone's origin story is not possible.

Angel sucked in X3 because he really didn't need to be in the movie at all (there was clearly no room for him). They would've been better off waiting for another movie. They tried to do an entire movie length arc with him from beginning to end, but didn't have the length of an entire movie to do with it.

Contrast that with how Beast was handled in X3. He fared much better as a character in that movie. Why? Because most of his backstory with Xavier took place off screen. They didn't try to tell a First Class type of origin story with him with the limited screen time he had. They had that origin take place in the past, off screen. He came off as a cooler character in the movie because of it. That is why I want to do that with the Original Five in the MCU.

Beast is the perfect example. They did what you'd like to do with the rest of the O5, and he was a supporting character, even when they made him part of the team, he had no story, his only story was to mentor Wolverine, because that's what supporting characters whose superhero stories occurred in the past do for the heroes of the current film. Since Beast was doing this there was no room for Angel, Scott or Xavier to do this role, and so they had to leave or get different roles, which won't work, because they aren't the heroes. Beast didn't have mystique (ha), or intrigue, he had no development, because we are told his development was unimportant and inconsequential beyond his advice. That's not economical storytelling, that's simply not ever telling a story about the O5, because by not staring with the O5, you turn the O5 into a prequel, even though you didn't have to, just like Star Wars didn't have to start with Episode 4 and make Obi-Wan a fundamentally supporting/undeveloped character.

Certainly some backstory has to happen before, namely: Xavier has to already be an established master of his abilities for the X-Men story to work, however, that is the only backstory that is necessary for the X-Men's story to work. Storm's story doesn't sound nonsensical just because Scott doesn't have years of experience. The rest of the MCU starts to sound nonsensical though...

The other lesson to learn from Singer's X-Men, other than that not starting with the O5 means that you can never develop the O5, and that they will be redundant to each other, is that not making the audience invest in the formation of the X-Men, like they did with the Avengers, means that the audience will be more attached to the main character, and that that character will be, from their perspective, what makes the X-Men worth watching, because for the filmmaker, that's what made the X-Men worth telling a story about.

EDIT: Again, making the O5 stock/static characters is a legitimate option, but I would love to see the audience actually be able to invest in the X-Men from the beginning, the way they have with the Avengers, and if the MCU wants the same, they'll start with the O5, even if they fundamentally change what/who the O5 is.

I think one of the more challenging things about the X-Men Universe is that they mainly have always been part of team movies. They do not have the advantage of each X-Men member having their own movie like most of the avengers. Guardians of the Galaxy is a good comparison since none of the Guardian members had their own movie before their first or second movie. Also it get harder when the X-Men members have many fan favorites and given that X-Men is mainly a team movie then it gets hard for everyone to get a chance to be developed equally. I honestly wouldn't mind if Marvel takes the comic approach and created 2 teams of X-Men each team with their own movie. That way more characters have a chance to be developed.

That would be interesting, launching two film franchises at once. There's a couple of cool ways they could do it too. Maybe a film to introduce/create the X-Men and then from there, split the team in half and then add new characters as expansions for each.

I agree. I know many want to just skip the early founding days, but I think there is a definite danger of trying to blow your load in your first film. People want the Jim Lee/Animated Series team(s) in the first movie, but to me, it's the 3rd movie where you have them in all their glory. That's your billion dollar movie right there.

Sure, a variation of the O5 may seem "boring" to some people. But that's where plot, characterization, and visual effects come in. DisMarvel can make a solid film using these characters (with a couple changes perhaps). Maybe not an Avengers Level Event Film, but solid and good enough that by the 3rd, 4th, 5th films the groundwork would be laid.

Swap Storm for Angel for a more gender/racial balance. Original flavor Rogue as a villain. Introduce Wolverine in the second film and new and improved Rogue after a cameo in the Captain Marvel films. Have Beast turn hairy and have him join the Avengers at the end of film two. Then, when you have a mature team for film three, you have Cyclops, Jean, Storm, Iceman, Wolverine, Rogue and add a seventh (Gambit would be my choice). There. By the third film you have a close proximity of Jim Lee/Animated series X-Men. Collect your Billion Dollars.

Interesting! I too think there are ways to make the O5 not boring. Changing out one or two members isn't the worst idea either. I don't know why they couldn't do the Jim Lee lineup (minus Jubilee perhaps) for the second film though, and then for the third film start to add in outliers who are almost-classics like Psylocke and Dazzler.
 
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Its not that Marvel couldn't do the origin story well. Its that it would be a waste of time, and would only appeal to a small section of fans. Meanwhile, everyone else would be *****ing about it for a variety of different reasons (so there are plenty of downsides to taking that approach, with no real upside).

Its not worth doing. Just start with the second team and come in after the origin... like they did with MCU Spider-Man. We haven't seen him get bit by the spider or Uncle Ben dying yet, you'll notice.

This is where we disagree. A good film is a good film, IMO. You're under the impression that a good Origin film (again it doesn't have to be the O5 proper, just a few X-Men with Scott and Jean at least when it was just X, the mansion, and those theoretical "O5") is gonna sink the ship or something. What I've learned watching the MCU play out is that the General Public themselves will not complain. 90% of them probably couldn't name the O5. 95% probably couldn't name the entire second gen roster. If DisMarvel or Feige think that an origin film is the way to go, the public will follow. As long as plot, characterization, action, and special effect are up to par the film will be successful regardless. With the added bonus of boosting future films by laying the groundwork.

Whether it's "necessary" or not is besides the point. It's just a viable alternative to "let's get everyone's favorite animated series character in as soon as possible". It smacks of DC's Justice League rush job.
 
I need less Charles vs Magneto, Wolverine/Weapon X and less Phoenix storylines. They’ve been done to death by Fox. Explore other aspects/groups of the X-Men. Do justice to the smaller things that were ruined. Rogue being an example.
 
Beast is the perfect example. They did what you'd like to do with the rest of the O5, and he was a supporting character, even when they made him part of the team, he had no story, his only story was to mentor Wolverine, because that's what supporting characters whose superhero stories occurred in the past do for the heroes of the current film. Since Beast was doing this there was no room for Angel, Scott or Xavier to do this role, and so they had to leave or get different roles, which won't work, because they aren't the heroes. Beast didn't have mystique (ha), or intrigue, he had no development, because we are told his development was unimportant and inconsequential beyond his advice. That's not economical storytelling, that's simply not ever telling a story about the O5, because by not staring with the O5, you turn the O5 into a prequel, even though you didn't have to, just like Star Wars didn't have to start with Episode 4 and make Obi-Wan a fundamentally supporting/undeveloped character.

Certainly some backstory has to happen before, namely: Xavier has to already be an established master of his abilities for the X-Men story to work, however, that is the only backstory that is necessary for the X-Men's story to work. Storm's story doesn't sound nonsensical just because Scott doesn't have years of experience. The rest of the MCU starts to sound nonsensical though...

The other lesson to learn from Singer's X-Men, other than that not starting with the O5 means that you can never develop the O5, and that they will be redundant to each other, is that not making the audience invest in the formation of the X-Men, like they did with the Avengers, means that the audience will be more attached to the main character, and that that character will be, from their perspective, what makes the X-Men worth watching, because for the filmmaker, that's what made the X-Men worth telling a story about.

EDIT: Again, making the O5 stock/static characters is a legitimate option, but I would love to see the audience actually be able to invest in the X-Men from the beginning, the way they have with the Avengers, and if the MCU wants the same, they'll start with the O5, even if they fundamentally change what/who the O5 is.

Thank you. Beast going hairy, for example, is a legitimate part of his character arc. Do you start him hairy already with a second gen team already in place? How does that work? You have to be invested in him when he wasn't hairy. Same with Jean/Scott. Are they already in a relationship if you start with the second gen team? Do we get to see their courtship? The O5 as a whole may not be as exciting, but the individual characters themselves are very important to the X-Men mythos. Even boring ass Angel. Becoming Archangel needs to have some groundwork. All this could be assuaged with just one Origin film.

I feel like X-Men has more potential as a longer running franchise within a franchise because they have so many dynamic characters to pull from. It's not the case of GOTG or Antman who will top out at 3 films. X-Men actually have time to breathe. When they retire the first/second generation they have a mountain of mutants to carry the legacy. There is no time limit where it's necessary to condense their history, IMO.
 
I really don't want another X-Men origin story. I want them to be established and the core X-Men are already veterans. Like do you really want to see how Rogue, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Storm joined the team? I don't. It could be better than Fox's version but I want to see them as pros in their first film. While Havok, Polaris, Psylocke, Banshee, Dazzler, Bishop, Angel are already veteran X-Men that could be living somewhere or operating under a different group (X-Factor, X-Force, Strike, Gen X).
 
Another thing is, in the original X-Men movies Jean Grey and Cyclops are presented as a couple and that's it, you don't get an idea as to why they are a couple, and their status as a couple merely provides an obstacle for Wolverine. If we get X-Men as beginners at least there's a chance to develop that relationship, it's what I wanted from the current prequels but they went from planting the seeds in Apocalypse to... Phoenix inmediatly, so I already feel there's a better job to be done.

I'm not head over heels over an origin X-Men film either but I can see the pros.
 
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