Justice League Members of the first justice league movie

[Rorschach2012]

I'm not sure who is more "deserving", or how you choose to assess that. I would say that Vixen is certainly more interesting than, for instance, Hal Jordan.

This... i can't ... i don't even... what... i just.... no

 

[Azrael24]

From a movie-audience standpoint, you need Barry Allen and John Stewart. Not Wally West and Hal Jordan

Look, it's very simple. Barry Allen is a scientist, super smart guy. Besides Batman, everyone else is average (and please no one start that superman's super-intellect crap with me). Barry's not bravado like Supes' and Bats. Brings a different element.

You need John because besides the obvious diversity it brings (along with Cyborg..YES he should be in the film..for all those comic-uninitiated, him running with the big dogs is NOT new..circa Super Power Team: Galactic Guardians, where the show was based around him and Firestorm) he also brings a totally different character (we are back on JS everyone) than Hal. Hal is either very much like superman or a pompous wise @$$ (new 52). While fans may love him..kind of boring on screen.

At the end of the day..diversity of look and character will make the film FAR more accessible to everyone. Honestly, if I were doing a JL movie..it would be

Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Flash (Barry Allen)
Aquaman (thinking Jason Momoa..and more rugged, less pretty boy)
Green Lantern (J. Stewart)
Cyborg

Yup..round 2 would be Martian Manhunter, Canary or Hawkgirl, etc.

You cannot see the movie as a comic faithful film. None of them are...Wolverine was in the X-Men from the get go..we know he was not a founding member. I mean if we are being THAT technical, then by all means, Superman should never have flown in MOS. Gotta loosen the grip on the comic continuity..films are based on the characters from comics not full on adaptations of stories and timelines in comics.

 

[Lantern Venom]

From a movie-audience standpoint, you need Barry Allen and John Stewart. Not Wally West and Hal Jordan

Look, it's very simple. Barry Allen is a scientist, super smart guy. Besides Batman, everyone else is average (and please no one start that superman's super-intellect crap with me). Barry's not bravado like Supes' and Bats. Brings a different element.

You need John because besides the obvious diversity it brings (along with Cyborg..YES he should be in the film..for all those comic-uninitiated, him running with the big dogs is NOT new..circa Super Power Team: Galactic Guardians, where the show was based around him and Firestorm) he also brings a totally different character (we are back on JS everyone) than Hal. Hal is either very much like superman or a pompous wise @$$ (new 52). While fans may love him..kind of boring on screen.

At the end of the day..diversity of look and character will make the film FAR more accessible to everyone. Honestly, if I were doing a JL movie..it would be

Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Flash (Barry Allen)
Aquaman (thinking Jason Momoa..and more rugged, less pretty boy)
Green Lantern (J. Stewart)
Cyborg

Yup..round 2 would be Martian Manhunter, Canary or Hawkgirl, etc.

You cannot see the movie as a comic faithful film. None of them are.

The CB adaptations that try to make as few changes as possible to the mythos in question are the ones that usually work. This movie will fail if it takes too many liberties, which is always possible in the hands of Warner Bumbles.

I'm all for diversity, but not tokenism. My concern is that Bats, Supes, and Wondy will be center stage while the others are window dressing. I'm fine with someone like Dwayne Johnson portraying John Stewart because that would ensure that John isn't pushed to the side. Without that kind of star, WB should go with Hal because he's the most iconic of the titular Lanterns.

Regardless of the lineup, this isn't going to be an easy sell. It seems to me that the rotating rosters of the JL over the decades is a bigger potential stumbling block for this movie than it was for Avengers. Everyone seems to have a different opinion as to who should be included and why.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I don't think it'll be a big deal. Avengers had the same issue, and some fans were pretty mad about having Widow and Hawkeye over Ant-Man and Wasp. But once the trailer hits, the good washes away the bad.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I'd totally be down for Vixen to be in the movie, but not replacing a Green Lantern. I could take her over Aquaman.

 

[gugumugats]

I don't think it'll be a big deal. Avengers had the same issue, and some fans were pretty mad about having Widow and Hawkeye over Ant-Man and Wasp. But once the trailer hits, the good washes away the bad.

Very good point. Outside the iconic 5 (Supes, Bats, WW, Flash, GL), I will go ahead and say that others may be somewhat inter-exchangeable.

However, with the Flash TV series, I'm not as hopeful for the Flash actually showing up in JL.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

It's indeed possible that Flash on TV means that WB doesn't think he's cut out for the big screen (Same with Green Arrow, Deathstroke, Canary, Huntress, Suicide Squad, etc).

It's hard to tell though. Deathstroke's on TV, yet Goyer said he's interested in a Deathstroke movie and Suicide Squad movie in the near future. If Gotham lasts a couple seasons, then we're getting two Alfreds and probably two Jim Gordons, granted there's a difference in time period. Maybe they'll wait till the TV appearances are done and then bring them to the big screen afterwards. Justice League might not come until 2019 (three years after BvS) in which the Flash show might be over. Maybe it doesn't even get picked up. Who knows.

But anyways, on this point, I don't think WB views Hal Jordan as being essential at all, and I think the GA could care less about his inclusion.

Maybe this is just a coincidence or a visual design thing, but Green Lantern (and Flash) is nowhere to be seen on the cover (Front and back) of JL War, and he's arguably the lead character.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Very good point. Outside the iconic 5 (Supes, Bats, WW, Flash, GL), I will go ahead and say that others may be somewhat inter-exchangeable.

However, with the Flash TV series, I'm not as hopeful for the Flash actually showing up in JL.

Therein lies the challenge for Warner Bumbles: choosing a satisfying roster. The JL has had so many incarnations, some characters will certainly get snubbed. That might not be the case if JL turns into a franchise, but I'll believe that only when I see it.

 

[mace1]

Actually Wally was always more powerful... until Geoff Johns retconned it. And John and Wally are more interesting characters than Hal and Barry. Plus Hal has already failed massively on the big screen. I don't think the character can recover. Green Lantern needs to be completely re-imagined on the big screen, not just recast. You get someone like Idris Elba in the role, or someone like Bradley Cooper as Guy Gardner, there is a chance GL could be successful.

I agree and john is more powerful then hal.

In Green Lantern (vol. 4) #26, it was shown that John's willpower exceeds the limit of his ring (when he tried to recreate a planet from scratch), a feat that had not been depicted before this point.

 

[mace1]

...I didn't say that it did?

The amount of product produced under a particular brand name doesn't have any baring on whether I find it interesting. And I think Hal Jordan has always been dull and unlikeable. I think he should have been left dead, and I hope he is replaced with one of the better GL's, should any of them appear in a JL movie.

If we do have to have Jordan, I hope he is radically changed. Having him be Jon Stewart in all but name may be the way to go.

I THINK HAL IS DEAD AGAIN.
Anyway the four green lantern books do not focus on hal.
The green lantern original comic focuses now on simon baz.
The green lantern corps comic,john stewart is the main star now.


Kyle rayner is the main star in Green Lantern: New Guardians AND GUY GARDNER IS THE MAIN STAR IN THE RED LANTERN COMIC.
SO THE LAST I MENTION IS REALLY A RED LANTERN COMIC.

There has been some big changes over the past few years.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I agree and john is more powerful then hal.

Not for the last 10 years. All of the GL books begin with a reference to the GLC and Hal being the "greatest of them all." Geoff Johns even said that a seasoned Hal Jordan could beat Superman. Even as a GL fan who's ambivalent to Supes, I don't agree with that.

Although it's interesting to note that in the first few issues of the New 52 GL, Hal said that willpower could never break a power ring and Sinestro responded that he had done it twice.

I THINK HAL IS DEAD AGAIN.
Anyway the four green lantern books do not focus on hal.
The green lantern original comic focuses now on simon baz.
The green lantern corps comic,john stewart is the main star now.


Kyle rayner is the main star in Green Lantern: New Guardians AND GUY GARDNER IS THE MAIN STAR IN THE RED LANTERN COMIC.
SO THE LAST I MENTION IS REALLY A RED LANTERN COMIC.

There has been some big changes over the past few years.

Hal "died" to lead the Black Lanterns against Volthoom, but he's back again. Right now, he heads GL, John has GLC, Kyle has NG, and Guy has RL. However, since Johns left, GL comics have taken a hit in sales (Larfleeze just got cancelled) so don't be surprised if they aren't paired up again in the near future after RL and/or NG is cancelled.

 

[mace1]

Not for the last 10 years. All of the GL books begin with a reference to the GLC and Hal being the "greatest of them all." Geoff Johns even said that a seasoned Hal Jordan could beat Superman. Even as a GL fan who's ambivalent to Supes, I don't agree with that.

Although it's interesting to note that in the first few issues of the New 52 GL, Hal said that willpower could never break a power ring and Sinestro responded that he had done it twice.



Hal "died" to lead the Black Lanterns against Volthoom, but he's back again. Right now, he heads GL, John has GLC, Kyle has NG, and Guy has RL. However, since Johns left, GL comics have taken a hit in sales (Larfleeze just got cancelled) so don't be surprised if they aren't paired up again in the near future after RL and/or NG is cancelled.

Of course hal is the greatest but he is not the most powerful from earth or not the most powerful lantern NORMALLY.
I MEAN HE WAS BEFORE,BUT AN ALIEN ENTITY CAME INTO HIM AND HE USE THAT POWER,HIS OWN SKILL AND EXPERIENCE TO KILL MANY LANTERNS AND GET MORE POWER RINGS AS WELL TO HELP BOOST HIS POWER.

Example Captain picard maybe the greatest starfleet captain but he is not strongest.

That will BE sisko OUT OF THE TV STAR CAPTAINS,so while hal is the greatest, john has beaten hal AT LEAST twice in a fight.
Recently he gave hal a punch in the face.

JOHN IS THE BEST FROM MY VIEW POINT.



Both hal and john have beaten superman before too,SO Geoff Johns IS RIGHT.
A well trained EXPERIENCE lantern at his best could beat superman.
Remember what the rock has said?
Anyway moving on.

Yeah i know what Sinestro said,and i had a funny feeling hal was back.

I HAVE NOT KEEP UP LATELY.
I HOPE TO CATCH SOON HOWEVER.

 

[mace1]

I find this interesting.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial]Superman vs hal jordan green lantern.

[/FONT]

 

[mace1]

Icon,DC BLACK SUPERMAN VS SUPERMAN.

 

[mace1]

Getting back on topic.
By the way i really like to see a icon movie.
Maybe he could be in the last justice league movie.

 

[mace1]

Speaking of POWER,here something i found recently.
I do not know were to posts these,but if they are removed to another thread i have problem with that.
I just want to let folks know this stuff exist.
I find it really interesting.



DC POWER RANKING GUIDE.
It's good guide and it's not perfect but here it goes.
Keep in mind it's unofficial.



Top-10-Dc-Cosmic-Beings




This is from another forum.

Originally posted by golgi-

1) Beings/Forces who are beyond any creation (Beings that even Hypertime does apply to them)

The Presence/The Overseers

The Source/Carnivore with Presence's power/Gyges and Garamas/Ultimate Light/Ultimate Darkness (Ultimate Darkness and Ultimate Light are the balance of the Presence)/The Voice/The Unnameable One

The Decreator/Lucifer Morningstar/Archangel Michael/Elaine with Michael's power and Demiurgic Energy/The Adjudicator/Spectre/Eclipso (Wrath of God)

Archangel Gabriel, Uriel, Raphael, Michael (Chaos Bringer), Saraquel, Raguel

2) Hypertime abstract Beings/Forces (beings that could affect the whole Hypertimeline)

Hyperman (God of Hypertime Jonathan Kent)

World's Funnest Mr. Mxyzptlk and Bat-Mite (May not be the Central Hypertimeline or 'in-continuity' Mxyzptlk or Bat-Mite but still existed from a different hypertimeline)

3) Multiversal abstract beings/forces (beings that could affect the Multiverse)

Una, the Worm of Heaven and Hell/Ea/Mallo Keeper of the Cosmic Balance/The Sword of Destiny/The Word/The Void/Demiurgic Energy/The Witching Hour /Anti-Monitor (full version)/Entropy or Krona at full potential/The Great Light (no relations to the Ultimate Darkness or Ultimate Light)/The Darkness (could be the Anti-Monitor's shadow servants merged as one. But that's debatable)/Godwave/The Ultimator or 10th dimensional beings/The Abyss

4) Universal abstract beings/fundamental forces who embody a universe (Beings that could affect a single universe)

Kismet or Eternity (same being , but the name Pre-Crisis Superwoman called her universe in Superman Family Arc)/Death/Infinity (The Timestream)/Oblivion (Nothingness)/Angor/Entropy (End of Time after everything dies)/Maltusian Gods/The Moraiei/Three Witches/Other forms the Witching Hour manifest itself throughout the universe/Destiny/Dream I/Dream II/Darksome/Yk'Kphat/the Antechamber of Souls/The Great Tree/The Abyss (Pre-Boot Dial H For Hero Villain)/5th dimensional imp king or queen (Queen Gzntplzk or King Brpxz)/Omega Attractor/Epoch with Omega Attractor/The Oracle Entity/Maaldor/Ningal/The Aleph/Order/Chaos/Willow and her husband as one (one with the universe)/OA/Quantum Field/Speed Force/Parallax Entity/Azarath/Astro-Force/Omega Effect/Alpha Energy/Zero Hour Parallax (full power)/Ion/Sunbust energy/The Shadowlands/Joker with Maaldor Power/Mr. Mxyzptlk/Bat-Mite/Lkz/Ykz/The Mxy Twins (Mxyzptlk split into 2)/A typical 5th dimensional imp (Zrffians, Thunderbolts, and Mite-Imps) (average showing)/Emperor Joker/Cosmic Lotus/Nebula Man

The Concentrator/The Primal Atom/The Sun-Stone/Genesis Box/Warlogog/Warlogog wielder/Damage (Big Bang)/Anti-Matter Cannon/The Master Blaster

5) Abstract Concepts/physical body and manifestations of the Presence

Destruction/The Decay ancient force/Anomaly (also known as Fires of Creation itself)/Desire/Despair/Dellirium/The Union/Dark Lords of the Ultra-Realm (War, Chaos, Madness, Hate, Death, Greed and Rage), Light Lords of the Ultra-Realm (Peace, Grace, Enlightenment, Love, Order, Life and Bliss)/Rama Kushna/Meshta/Wally the God Boy/Godhead

6) Physical body and manifestations of abstract concepts

Black Racer/Black Flash/Nekron I/The Ecrus/Anti-Life Entity/Anyone wielding the ALE/Eon (full power)/Decay II/Tiamat

7) Godlike Metahumans/1st class Metaphysicals, Semi-Abstract, God-Like beings, race, Demons, Angels/Metaphysicals that could affect the universe

Hamilton Benedict/Gemini Entity/Alexander Luthor/Gemworld Dimension (currently Amethyst's spirit)/Jonathan Kent/Progenitor (Element Lad reaching his full potential and becoming God of a galaxy)/Progenitor and Omnipagues (merged as one being)/

The Promethian Giants/The Quantum Mechanics/The Anti-Matter Man (Pre-Boot)

Ramiel/Duma/Sandalphon/Archangel Amendaniel/Lord of Order (Shatru, St'ann, Terataya, Ynar, J'akk, Nabu the Wise, Patagones, Amethyst)/Lord of Chaos (Child, Gorrum, Hytuurnus, m'Shulla, Shivering Jemmy, The Weaver, T'Charr,The Shallow Brigade and the Laughing Dancers,The five original Lords of Chaos,Typhon, Vandaemon, Zanadu)/The Unity/Shattered God/SHAZAM's Elder Gods (Marzosh, Arel, Ribalvei, Voldar, Elbiam, Lumium)/S'ivaa The Destroyer/The Shadow Elements race/The Three Demons - Rath, Ghast, Abnegazar/Clockwerx/Trigon (in his dimension)/Krona/Bedlam/Dominus/Jakeem Thunder/Johnny Thunder/30th Century or present Mordru/The Great Darkness Saga Darkseid/Doctor Manhattan/Satan/Spear of Destiny/Azmodus (like the Spectre varies)/Shaitan/Shathan/Ultimate Man (fully evolved)/Ganthet possessed by Parallax/Superman Prime/Wonder Woman channeling the Godwave/Starbreaker/Yuga Khan/Imperiex/Brainiac 13/Fenris the Devourer/Omniphagues/Overmaster/Epoch/Vyronis/Preacherverse God/King of Tears/The Devil/Corinthian/The First of the Fallen/Saint of Killer/Angel of Death/Time Trapper I (Rokk Krinn)/Time Trapper II (Lori Morning?)/Glorith/Infinite Man/Timeless Ones/The Time Beast/Kulak/Eclipso (depowered and became Heart of Darkness)/Abraxis/Dr. Destiny/The Agents/Dark Angel/Zatanna and Adam (Godhead)/Agent If and the Realtor/The Carnivore (pre-God)/Cykroth/The Evil One/Maggedon/Alien Ator of the Timeless Place/Primordial Old Gods of Chaos/The Lords of Light/Nether-World Gods/Satan (Phantom Stranger issue pre-boot)/Willie Wisher/Father Time/Captain Skull/Cocoon of the Undying Ones

8) 1st Class Metahumans, supernatural, and aliens/2nd class Metaphysicals,Semi-Abstract, and God-Like beings/race/Demons/Angels

The Unimaginable/Unimaginable's race/Candlemaker/Egregores/TDHD MadGod of Sector 3600/Millinneum Giants/Cosmic Gamblers/OWner of the Earth/The A/Rift/Neron/The Second of the Fallen/The Third of the Fallen/The Endless One/Old Gods- Arzaz, Baaldur, Lokee, The Nameless One, Sirius, Wotan/A typical 5th dimensional imp (varies) (low showings)/The I/Luck Lords/X'Hal/Agamemno/The Aurakles/The One/The Fiend with Five Faces/Erishad's baby/Outer Gods (Shub-Niggurath, Azathoth, Yog-Sothoth, Nyarlathotep)/Elder Gods and the Old Ones (Cthulhu,M'Nagalah, k'zum'uggarth, Daemoniacus, Kolkothak, Koth-Shugoth, The Undying Ones and the N'Garai)/Netherworld Creatures/Andromeda and M'onel given powers by the Anomaly/The ID/The Miracle Machine/Parallax (Post Zero Hour)/Jericho (vessel of Azarath)/Zauriel (angel form)/Asmodel/Pax Dei host/Thrones/Saraphim/other angel host that Gabriel or Sandalphon are in charge of/Earth-Born Angels- Supergirl (angelic powers), Comet, and Blithe (if they actually use their powers), Twilight with Supergirl's Earth Born Angel Power (still has it I believe)/Jesse Custer/Genesis/The Light Entity/Leviathan (Phantom Stranger pre-boot)/Asmodeus/Oblivion II/Secret (full potential)

Sun Eater/Mr. Nebula/Cannibal Planet/Aquarius/Other Living Stars/Council of the Living Stars/Solaris/Morbiac the Zombie Star/The Vampire Sun/Mogo/Empire of Tears/Wonderworld inhabitors- Adam One, The Mote, and other Wonderworlders/Manhunter of Mars/Parliaments of Planets/Earth Elemental Swamp Thing/The Ancient Ones/Maya/Gaea

Monitor/Anti-Monitor (before he absorbed the multiverse)/Scarabus

9) Skyfather levels

Highfather Izaya/Darkseid/Takion/Stayne/a typical Guardians of the Univese/Ganthet/Phantom Stranger/Zeus/Odin or any skyfathers/SHAZAM wizard/The Controllers/The Zamarons/Guardians Council/Qwardians (creator of the Anti-Green Lantern Corps)/Ares/Harmonia/Deimos/Eris/Phobos/Thunderhead/Helia/Odin/Osiris/Mother Herrae and other Primitives/Osirect/Anubis/Hades/Cronus/Harrier/Disdain/Titan/Slaughter/Arch/Oblivion/other skyfathers and death gods/Superman 1 million/Superman Dynasty/Koth/The Seven/Wonder Woman (Goddess)/Animal Avatars Gods (Hawkgod, Snakegods, Beargods, Bullgods, etc.)/Rao and other Kryptonian gods/Gog/Evil Avatar Raven/Trigon's Daughter Raven/Lord Satanis/Trigon (on Earth)/Infernal One/The Redeemer/Mister Miracle (ruling New Genesis)/Stone Giant's race/Parliament of Flames/Parliament of Stones/Parliament of Waves/Parliament of Trees/Parliament of Vibes/Blaze/Lord Satanus/The Three Faces of Evil- Terror, Sin, and Wickedness/Validus (Pre-Boot)/The Powerstone or anyone wielding the Powerstone/Metron/Red Jack/Rhea Jones (reaching her full potential before killing Red Jack)/Shadowy Mr. Evans/Saint of Killer/Dark Gods/Lois Lane (Goddess of Integrity)/Dreamslayer/Spirit King/Ultimate Man/X'ult/Evolvo harnessing the space and time Anomaly/Willow/Willow's chils/Snapper Carr (genetic potential)/Human race (genetic potential)/Jesse Custer/Genesis/The Ancient Ones/Xenon/Disciple/H'ronmeer/C'eridyall/The Four Horsemen of Apocalypse - Death, War, Faminine, and Plague (manifestations of The Adjudator's will)

10) Time-travelers/2nd class metahumans, supernatural, and aliens

Extant/Waverider and Linear Man/Hourman III (without the worlogog)/Gabriel Walker/Doomsday with GL Ring/Decay III/Brimstone/The Annihilator/Eon (depowered)/Godfrey Gaius (true form)/Black Zero/Gayle Marsh (Psi)/Lex Luthor (portion of Darkseid's power)/Penguin (portion of Darkseid's power)/Joker (portion of Darkseid's power)/Brainiac (potion of Darkseid's power)/Agogg/Pre-Crisis Superman/Pre-Crisis Supergirl/Pre-Crisis Kryptonians/Pre-Crisis Daxamites/Mon-El/Pre-Crisis Superboy/Pre-Crisis Wonderwoman/Pre-Crisis Andromeda/Bloodthirst (could be higher, not much is known about him except that he could change his appearance and he beat the crap out of Superman)/Monarch/Dev-Em/OWAW Doomsday/Doomsday War Doomsday/Goldstar/Triumph given powers by Lkz/Pre-Crisis Maxima/OWAW Superman (merged with Strange Visitor)/Pre-Crisis Ultraboy/Superwoman (Kristen Wells)/Hunter and Prey Doomsday/Element Lad/Element Man/Starfinger/Star Boy/Kid Quantum II/Kid Pyscho/Graviton Man/Gravity Lord (both could be higher)/Superboy Robot (pre-crisis)/Atmos/Brother Blood/Dr. Light (full potential, enraged, and very crazy)/Dr. Light II/Superboy of the 843rd Century/Superboy 1 million

11) Herald-Class Level/3rd class angels, metahuman, supernautrals, and demons/Hulk-Level

Helspont/Lord Defile/Saviour/Regis and Blue Aliens/Preacherverse Devil/Dark Lantern/Dark Flash/Fernus/Burning Martians/Vartox/Amazo/The OMAC Androids/BION/Composite Superman/Garok/Dr. Fate/Dr. Fate II/Dr. Fate III/Dr. Fate IV/Tim Hunter/Tim Hunter II (Tim Hunter's evil counterpart from another universe)/Anti-Fate (high portrayal in the Fates and TM)/Kestrel I/Krestrel II/Composite Man/Deadman (varies)/Green Lantern Priest/Creator-2/Zatanna/Jennifer Morgan/Janissary with Book of Eternity/Despero/Zoom 2/Shaggy Man/The General/The Elementals (Swamp Thing, Red Tornado, Firestorm, Naiad)/Orion (highest showing)/Brainiac 2.5/Doomsday Rex/Sun-dipped Superman

Martian Manhunter/Malefic/Hyperclan- A-Mortal, Armek, Fluxus, Primad, Protex, Tronix, Zenturion and Zum/Green, Pale, Red and White Martians (at their best)/Alan Scott/Kyle Rayner/Raker/Hal Jordan/Kilowog/John Stewart/Guy Gardner/typical Green Lantern (highest showing)/Wally West (highest showing or using Speed Force)/Sinestro/Effigy/Nero/Major Force/Captain Atom (highest showing)/Firestorm I and Firestorm II (highest showing)/Celeste Rockfish/Cobalt Blue/Kilg%re/Obsidian/Dr. Polaris

Superman/Mr. Majestic (could be ranked higher)/M'onel/The Martians (average to high)/Kryptonians/Daxamites/Andromeda/Captain Marvel/Lightray/Black Adam/Eradicator/Martian Mahunter/Alan Scott/Kyle Rayner/Raker/Hal Jordan/Kilowog/John Stewart/Guy Gardner/typical Green Lantern (average)/Ultraman/Orion (average showing)/Captain Atom (average showing)/Doomsday/Firestorm I/Firestorm II (average to high)/Breach/Max Faraday/The Void/Providence/Manchester Black/Power Ring/Massacre/High-Tech/Anti-Green Lanterns/Malefic/Green Martians/Rhea Jones/Preus/Cyborg Superman/Mongul/Zatanna (average showing)/Auron/Radiant/Despero/Thor/Captain Comet/Starboy/Starman I/Starman II/Starman III/Starman IV/Starman V/Starman VI/Starman VII/Starman VIII/Starman 1,000,000/Lord Malvolio/Jade/Evil Star/General Zod/Ignition/Kancer/Warrior/Lex Luthor (Armor)/Manchester Black/Triumph/Strata/The Crusade/The Union/Golgoth/Superman Robots/Superman Androids/Brainiac/Pulsar Stargrave/Ultivac/Manhunters/Darkstars/Arion/Dr. Occult/Echantress/Steel (Aegis Entropy Armor)/Ultraboy/Warlord of Ys/Anti-Matter Man/Antithesis/Brainwave II/Ferro Lad/Cosmic Boy (pre-Crisis)/Gaius (in coma)/Lobo/Etrigan

Wonder Woman/Circe/Maxima (high showing)/Samaritan/Apollo/Icon/The Martians (low showings)/the Green Lanterns (average to low showings)/Captain Atom (average to low showings)/Maul/Solomon Grundy/Uncle Sam/Death Rite (Draaga)/Hercules/Mantis/Ultra Boy/Captain Marvel Jr./Mary Marvel (high showing on the Marvel sidekicks)/Geoforce (high showing)/Faora/Arclight/Son of Vulcan/Bizarro/Thor/Wanjina/Red Tornado/

Body Defenses of the Owner of the Earth/Kalibak/Grayven/Superwoman/Zealot/Validus (Post Zero-Hour)/Steve Dayton/Solaar/The Olympian/Ferro/Cosmic Boy (post-Crisis)/Scanner/White Drawf/Drone/4D/The Key/Imperiex Probes/Heralds of the Owner of the Earth/Terraformer of the Owner of the Earth /Jenny Quantum

Adam Strange/Animal Avatars (Hawkman,Hawkwoman,Lord Viper, avatars of Bears, Barracudas, Snakes, etc.)

12) Lower Class metahumans

Powergirl (high showing)/Hippolyta/Barda/OMAC (Buddle Blank)/Mary Marvel and Captain Marvel Jr. (standard)/Maxima/Fury II/Loose Cannon/Blockbuster I/Blockbuster II/Touch 'n Go/Jack-o-Lantern

Flash II (high showing)/Flash III(post terminal velocity)

Power Girl (standard to low showings)/Mary Marvel/Cap Marvel Junior (standard to low showing on the Marvel)/Donna Troy/Artemis & Hyppolita (highest showings)/Superboy (high showings)/Aquaman (with full on TP and magic hand)

Flash I/Flash II (standard)/Flash III (pre terminal velocity)/Dr. Zoom/Impulse/Johnny Quick/Captain Speed/Kid Flash (former Impulse)/Reverse Flash/Savitar/Speed Demon/Max Mercury/Johnny Quick/Red and Blue Trinity/Christina Alexandrova/Jesse Quick/Barry West/Kid Flash 2/Impulse/23rd Century Flash/Sela Allen/John Fox/speed Metal/Blaine Allen/Jace Allen/Tornado Twins/Hyperguard/Inertia/XS/Flash Kryad/JOhn Fox/Impulse II/Superboy (standard)/Wonder Girl/Aquaman (hook/mechanical hand + full on TP)/Steel/Natasha Irons/Metamorpho/Starman(low showing)/Thunder/Grace/Kid Impala

Atom Smasher/Colossal Boy/Hourman I and II/Geoforce (standard)/Black Lightning/Static/Black Lightning/Jenny Sparks/Vera Black/Behemoth/Scirocco/Prometheus (Hybrid)/Pulse-8/666

Sand/Clayface/Alloy

Aquaman (not full on TP)/Jay Garrick (standard)/Rival/Stargirl/Hawkman/Hawkgirl/Hawkwoman (standard)/Plastic Man

Wally West (Return of Barry Allen)

Silver Age Aquaman/Atom I/Atom II/Apparition/Aqualad/Aquagirl/Aruna/Gorgon/Harpi/Pteradon/Black Nebula/Elongated Man/Flow/Tasmanian Devil

14) 1st clas humans

Overbat (Mitefall)/Croc/Batman's Dark Knight Armor/Vixen/Ragman

15) 2nd class humans

Batman (both Pre-Crisis and Post-Crisis)/Bane/Richard Dragon/Bronze Tiger/Blackwing/Warmaker One/Mr. Terrific/Deathstroke/Deadshot/The Joker/Two Face/Nightwing/Robin/Red Hood/The Husk/Black Mask/Green Arrow/Arsenal/Connor Hawke/Batgirl/Catwoman/Lady Shiva/The Squire/The Knight (Ultramarine)/Fleur-De-Lis/Goraiko

NOTE - There was no pre-crisis Maxima,that one mistake i found so far. Of course some superheroes and villains are left out and the list is not perfect but it's a good start.



http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?488663-Top-10-Dc-Cosmic-Beings



and
DC Power Grid


http://www.comicvine.com/dc-comics/4010-10/forums/dc-power-grid-529769/?page=1

 

[mace1]

Remember these are fan made and from another forum too.
This one is shorter but more recent.




chaosblazers-guide-to-power-levels-dc-and-marvel

@chaosblazer said:


OK. Decided to make my own thread on this.

I consider there to be 8 basic levels of power between comics. Note: This is without any enhancements or extra equipment for characters.

1. Street level. The bottom level. For anyone without metahuman abilities, or those with very low level powers, like healing factors, slightly improved physical stats, mastery of martial arts, mastery of weapons use, and a plethora of other powers an abilities.


Ex. Daredevil, Batman, Catwoman, Nightcrawler, Bane

2. In-Betweeners. Characters that are in between street level and mid-level. This is debateable, however, I consider the Spiders and characters in their class of power to be substantially more powerful than characters like Captain America and Batman, so they go here. Other character that go here are martial arts masters that have feats placing them here, people like Midnighter and Wolverine that have one or two traits putting them above street level, etc. I place Wolverine here because of his healing factor, which allows him to defeat most street levelers in debates. Luke Cage goes here because his durability means that most street levelers cannot handle him in a fist fight, unless they have very good martial arts mastery, though this is debateable and Luke Cage could also belong in the street level tier. I put Iron Fist here because of his chi abilities, which put him a step above other street levelers.



Ex. Kaine, Iron Fist, Spiderman, Midnighter, Scorpion, Wolverine, Luke Cage, Zealot




3. Mid-tier. Characters like Iron Man, Namor, and Ms Marvel. These characters display strength nearly on the next tier, and have other powers that place them here, but they don't quite have the power of characters on the next tier. This may also include characters like Electro, who have powers putting them on the next level but either not enough feats or not enough skill. Characters such as Thing or Colossus or Rhino may go here or possibly on the next level, depending on how specific we are. Aquaman could go either here or one tier lower. Hawkman might also go one tier lower, but I consider him a good fit for this tier. Namor could go one tier higher.



Ex. Ms Marvel, possibly Starfire, Electro, Iron Man, possibly Thing, possibly Colossus, Rhino, Aquaman, Hawkman, Namor



4. Planetary. These guys are generally a step up from the last level. This level includes most Omega-level mutants, most high end energy warpers, a few bricks, and high end telepaths. Most characters made of energy or inorganic matter should go either here or on the lower level. This also includes elementals such as Red Tornado and Firestorm. These characters might possibly be able to move up a tier, but are a better fit for this tier. Others who may fit here include shape shifters, force fields (Invisible Woman),



Ex. Hulk, Red Hulk, Iceman, Magneto, Graviton, Jean Grey, Red Tornado, Firestorm, Vision, Sandman, Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Storm, Mr. Fantastic, Plastic Man

5. Cosmic. Includes heralds, Superman level beings, Superman knock offs, Superman clones, Superman robots, Superman look alikes, Super- I think you understand. Also, guys like Thanos and Darkseid belong between here and Skyfather level, but I'll stick them here. They are generally seen as more powerful than Superman level characters, however they can belong in a similar tier, I guess.

Ex. Superman, Thor, Sentry, Hal Jordan, Wonder Woman, Black Adam, Captain Marvel, Gladiator, Martian Manhunter, Quasar, Nova, Silver Surfer, Thanos, Darkseid, Juggernaut, Doomsday

6. Skyfather level. Zeus, Odin, etc. Celestials could go in this tier, but they are a little more powerful than skyfathers. Note: Odinforce Thor is not in this power range. He is above Superman level beings, but not on skyfather level. So, there could be a tier between this one and Cosmic tier, but I didn't feel like making it. Sorry. Not really.


Ex. Zeus and Odin


7. Universal threats/ busters. Includes Galactus, Imperiex, Tyrant, Celestials, etc.

8. Multiversal threats/ busters. Includes beings like Molecule Man (pre retcon), Living Tribunal, Presence, The One Above All, and pretty much all abstract beings like Eternity.


OK. There's my list. How'd I do? Also, ask me where an specific characters belong on my chart thingy and I'll tell you.


Ex. *you* Hey ChaosBlazer, where would you put Blue Marvel on the list? *me* In the 5th tier, Cosmic level!

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/chaosblazers-guide-to-power-levels-dc-and-marvel-689145/

 

[mace1]

Yeah you right,i kinda forgot that hal is back.



Green Lantern Corps #26 - Homecoming
John Stewart has a few words to say to Hal Jordan. But instead he punches him in the jaw. Meanwhile, the Lantern recruits take an unexpected stand against a personal injustice.

It’s Lantern vs. Lantern as John Stewart battles Hal Jordan for the leadership of the Corps! For months, John Stewart has let his anger build as Hal Jordan sent Guy Gardner into the Red Lanterns and declared war against other corps across the spectrum. After the devastating events of “LIGHTS OUT,” John is determined to rebuild the Corps as he sees fit—even if it means taking down his oldest friend!

I KINDA REMEMBER THIS.

As the Indigo Tribe releases Sinestro, Natromo inverts the link between Hal's and Sinestro's ring. Now, Hal can control Sinestro's ring instead of the other way around. Unfortunately, Black Hand has escaped the Indigo Tribe's control. Indigo-1 teleports the two Lanterns to Korugar, where Sinestro has hidden the Book of the Black. As they read the Book to find out more about the Guardians's plans to replace the Green Lantern Corps, they are teleported right to Black Hand's old home.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Jordan#cite_note-45Hal and Sinestro pass out after running out of power in their rings.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Jordan#cite_note-46 Black Hand buries Sinestro and Hal alive. Hal breaks free and fights against Black Hand, and is saved by Sinestro. The two of them fight Black Hand until the Guardians arrive, who command Black Hand to kill them. As their life is draining away, Hal and Sinestro fuse their rings together with an unknown message, before they seemingly die.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Jordan#cite_note-47 However, they are later revealed to have survived, but they are trapped in a mysterious realm surrounded by darkness.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Jordan#cite_note-48

Hal and Sinestro begin traveling through the Dead Zone, wherein they encounter a mysterious figure lurking in the zone observing them. This mysterious stranger is revealed to be Tomar-Re, who asks Hal and Sinestro to stop Volthoom (The First Lantern) before he changes reality. Hal and Sinestro are confronted by the fallen Lantern members in the Dead Zone. When new Green Lantern Simon Baz enters the Dead Zone during a fight with Black Hand, he attempts to rescue them, but is only able to split his ring once. Sinestro claims the ring by forcing Hal to experience a moment of fear when he threatens Hal with the loss of Carol. Hal contemplates committing suicide so he could harness Black Hand's ring as it is the only way to leave the Dead Zone.

I Don't think i remembered this one,it's been awhile.

When Hal makes the ultimate sacrifice and transforms into a Black Lantern, he uses the telepathy of the Indigo Tribe to open the Dead Zone portal. Hal finally manages to escape and attacks Volthoom with the hordes of undead, but Volthoom effortlessly destroys the army and nearly possesses Hal. After a Parallax-empowered Sinestro fails to kill Volthoom as well, Hal proceeds to summon Nekron and finally destroys him. After the battle is over, Hal is released from being a Black Lantern and returns to life as Green Lantern again, finally reuniting with Carol. Before departing, Sinestro reminds Hal of a question he was about to ask him during their near-death back on Ysmault. Hal asks if they had ever been truly friends, to which Sinestro replies that the tragedy is they always will be.

I Rather see john stewart in the justice league film then hal.
That last green lantern movie john stewart shoud have been the main star.

 

[mace1]

From a movie-audience standpoint, you need Barry Allen and John Stewart. Not Wally West and Hal Jordan

Look, it's very simple. Barry Allen is a scientist, super smart guy. Besides Batman, everyone else is average (and please no one start that superman's super-intellect crap with me). Barry's not bravado like Supes' and Bats. Brings a different element.

You need John because besides the obvious diversity it brings (along with Cyborg..YES he should be in the film..for all those comic-uninitiated, him running with the big dogs is NOT new..circa Super Power Team: Galactic Guardians, where the show was based around him and Firestorm) he also brings a totally different character (we are back on JS everyone) than Hal. Hal is either very much like superman or a pompous wise @$$ (new 52). While fans may love him..kind of boring on screen.

At the end of the day..diversity of look and character will make the film FAR more accessible to everyone. Honestly, if I were doing a JL movie..it would be

Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Flash (Barry Allen)
Aquaman (thinking Jason Momoa..and more rugged, less pretty boy)
Green Lantern (J. Stewart)
Cyborg

Yup..round 2 would be Martian Manhunter, Canary or Hawkgirl, etc.

You cannot see the movie as a comic faithful film. None of them are...Wolverine was in the X-Men from the get go..we know he was not a founding member. I mean if we are being THAT technical, then by all means, Superman should never have flown in MOS. Gotta loosen the grip on the comic continuity..films are based on the characters from comics not full on adaptations of stories and timelines in comics.

Interesting viewpoint by the way.

 

[Lantern Venom]

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Not really a "fair" fight. Jordan was already infected with Parallax at the time and his power level was much higher than normal.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Both hal and john have beaten superman before too,SO Geoff Johns IS RIGHT.
A well trained EXPERIENCE lantern at his best could beat superman.
Remember what the rock has said?
Anyway moving on.

Yeah i know what Sinestro said,and i had a funny feeling hal was back.

I HAVE NOT KEEP UP LATELY.
I HOPE TO CATCH SOON HOWEVER.

And Superman handled (combined) Hal, Batman, and Flash with ease in the first arc of the New 52 JL. While I like all of those characters better than Supes, he should be able to logically dispatch any and all of them quickly without one of them having some prior knowledge of Kryptonite, magic, or a red sun.

Even with ring experience, I don't see how Superman is beaten with constructs. Now, if we're talking about a Lantern with additional powers like Kilowog or Sodam Yat....that's a different story.

 

[John-An]

Not really a "fair" fight. Jordan was already infected with Parallax at the time and his power level was much higher than normal.

With paralax or not the writer exagerated a little cause Hal wouldn't be able to do that to the JL or even Superman (He can hold a nuclear bomb but not a green light explosion? give me a break) . Not to mention Superman won't want to hurt him and they depowered him. so yes not a fair fight.

 

[regwec]

"Who's more powerful" discussions are perhaps the least appealing thing about comics.

 

[Lord]

The problem is mostly that writers don't seem to care, and since there are various ones over the years, there are multiple inconsistencies.

 

[regwec]

Sure, but that goes hand in hand with the writer having a degree of autonomy in writing an interesting story, which is important to avoid the staleness represented by most superhero comics.

What I find bizarre is the fans' notion that these fictional characters are essentially trading cards with crystallized 'power levels'. Were that true, the stories would be entirely predictable: Flash would always outrun Superman, Batman would always outsmart The Riddler, and Powergirl would out-breasts everyone.