Michael B Jordan IS Erik Killmonger!

[shadowboxxx]

The TV shows are part of the MCU. It isn't up for debate regardless of how little the two divisions work together.

Yes, you are right, its all the same universe even though its 2 divisions that never connect with each other.

Listing Kingpin, Killgrave and Cottonmouth as great MCU villians still tells you everything you need to know.

It goes without saying that when people talk about the 'MCU villain problem' we are talking the movies and not the tv shows.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Hemsworth? Yes, in Thor 1 and AoU at least, he was ripped
Evans, tho? Not really, he gets bulky, but not as cut

Good to see MbJ is workin out hard tho, he's finally approaching that Carl Weathers size

No way.

Carl Weathers was a beast and probably the most in-shape any action movie star has ever been in film. He trained with Stallone, Arnold, and a lot of those guys in the 80's. Not to mention he's 6'2 compared to MBJ at 5'11.

That's not to say MBJ isn't in fantastic shape though.

 

[RockSP]

Yes, you are right, its all the same universe even though its 2 divisions that never connect with each other.

Well "never" is going a bit too far: Coulson, Maria Hill, Nick Fury and Sif.

 

[shadowboxxx]

Nope. The tv division is MCU and their villains are MCU villains. Are they in the same continuity, yes or no? That's like saying that Alien 4 isn't canon because it sucked. You are manufacturing a way to suit your argument that doesn't match reality.

Ego was a good villain because for a being like him, hiss motive made complete sense. If you had the power to influence and improve the universe you wouldn't care about singular relationships. Despite that he still managed to fall in love with a human and the only way he would complete his bigger goal was by killing her. His lack of understanding about human psychology also made him think that Quill would ally with him because of his Celestial heritage and not because of his desire to have parental figure.

Im not sure which part of that makes him a good villain. You just told me his story. Some of his story made sense and some didnt.

He was just ok to me, served the purpose solving the mystery of who Starlord's dad was. Thats about it.

Unless Starlord kept the celestial powers, Ego's impact on the MCU will end right there.

I wasnt wowed by the celestial's powers unfortunately. I dont look back at anything he did as a highlight of the movie. In fact, when you look back on the best scenes of this movie, how many of them was he involved in?

He was a forgettable villain because his impact was forgettable.

 

[#root]

Michael looks so good . Even just from the brief glimpses, he looks badass .

 

[legendkillin]

Michael looks so good . Even just from the brief glimpses, he looks badass .

Yeah he looks like a killer. I trust him to carry the non T'Challa scenes as the villain too. He has never been one but Coogler knows him well. I think we are in for a special performance.

 

[KevTravels]

He's working with Coogler again in a drama set an Atlanta public school.

 

[The Endless]

He's definitely got some swagger and intensity about him. It will be cool to see him as a villain.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Killmonger grew up in America in the comics so if they follow the lore he will probable have an American accent

I don't believe that's accurate. I re-read Jungle Action #7. He is described as a young man, not a child, and the art, while extremely minimalistic, shows someone who is either a teenager or an adult. Certainly someone whose accent would have formed before he came to America.

 

[metaphysician]

I'd throw Zemo at N.2, Bucky afterwards. Maybe Ego at N.4.

I wouldn't include Bucky at all, he's by no stretch a villain. I'd say Alexander Pierce deserves a spot on the top list, though, along with Loki, Zemo, and Ego.

 

[metaphysician]

Zemo was interesting. He was smart, brains behind the scenes type guy. His plan worked.

The reason I didnt like Zemo is because he didnt have anything in common with CB Zemo whatsoever. They invented a character and just used Zemo's name. I can never go for that.

Ego was cool for what GoTG is. He wasnt bad. Just forgettable.

I can't agree that Zemo had nothing in common but the name. He had the grudge based in family, he had the manipulation skills, he had the plot based primarily in striking at the heart rather than the body. Those are all core aspects of Helmut Zemo.

They even dropped him in a position that is at least compatible with becoming a leader among supervillains, rather than killing him.

 

[tamron]

Killmonger and M'Baku both being big dudes would be pretty redundant.

I'd respectfully disagree, mainly because of character and style.

M'Baku is pure brawler and not typically the brightest bulb. Killmonger is bigger than T'Challa but every bit the trained combatant, sometimes depicted as better. And intellectually? Miles beyond M'Baku.

They could have easily differentiated them in the plot and in action sequences even if both characters were played by big guys.

 

[MbJ]

I care more about whether or not the actor can act than their physique. It's like Kingpin. I think Vincent D'Onofrio is great despite not being as absurdly huge as Fisk is often drawn.

There are a lot of huge guys who could have played a more comic-accurate Killmonger but big, beefy bodybuilder types aren't usually known for their acting chops. That's why Michael Clarke Duncan was such a rarity.

 

[tamron]

I care more about whether or not the actor can act than their physique.

That specific point, I can totally agree with.

But being greedy, Chadwick is what, 6"? Wouldn't have been that hard to find someone bigger with chops.

But hey, MBJ is to Coogler as DiCaprio is to Scorsese at this point. He was gonna be cast in Coogler's biggest film to date and being the heavy is potentially a great showcase for him. His performance should kill, and that's what matters most.

 

[Mad Ones]

MBJ looks fantastic. I'm loving his hair haha

 

[shadowboxxx]

I can't agree that Zemo had nothing in common but the name. He had the grudge based in family, he had the manipulation skills, he had the plot based primarily in striking at the heart rather than the body. Those are all core aspects of Helmut Zemo.

They even dropped him in a position that is at least compatible with becoming a leader among supervillains, rather than killing him.

Oh come on man.

Look, lets say they had made it a way where this Zemo's grand father was killed by Cap or something... You got me on the family link.

This Zemo's family link had to do with Iron Man's Ultron screwup and nothing at all to do with Cap.

Thats not Zemo man.

 

[KevTravels]

That specific point, I can totally agree with.

But being greedy, Chadwick is what, 6"? Wouldn't have been that hard to find someone bigger with chops.

But hey, MBJ is to Coogler as DiCaprio is to Scorsese at this point. He was gonna be cast in Coogler's biggest film to date and being the heavy is potentially a great showcase for him. His performance should kill, and that's what matters most.

I've read Coogler is shy of 6 feet why MBJ is shy of 5'11. Though MBJ looked huge in Creed.

Yeah their working relationship is quite intriguing. They have a 4th film they are working on. Probably due to be filmed by end of the year.

I hope MBJ can get the kinda roles that Gosling/Gyllenhaal gets. Or even that Dane DeHaan gets.

 

[Raiden]

He's definitely got some swagger and intensity about him. It will be cool to see him as a villain.

I'm interested to see how he can become a real threat against T'Challa even though he doesn't have the Vibranium suit that T'Challa has.

 

[Raiden]

I've read Coogler is shy of 6 feet why MBJ is shy of 5'11. Though MBJ looked huge in Creed.

Yeah their working relationship is quite intriguing. They have a 4th film they are working on. Probably due to be filmed by end of the year.

I hope MBJ can get the kinda roles that Gosling/Gyllenhaal gets. Or even that Dane DeHaan gets.

Do you think Coogler would have cast MBJ as T'Challa if he had the chance to do so? Even Jenkins admitted that she won't have cast Gal Gadot as WW if she had given the power to cast her.

 

[Monochron]

I read someone mentioning Killmonger's outfit resembled the Nova Corp and it got me thinking about how much I would have preferred for Jordan to have been cast as Richard Rider.

In his place I would have liked to have seen Aldis Hodge as Killmoger.

 

[DeadStroke]

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[shadowboxxx]

I'm interested to see how he can become a real threat against T'Challa even though he doesn't have the Vibranium suit that T'Challa has.

We know from the trailer that at some point they are fighting bare chested, no armor, just weapons.

 

[Chesterfield]

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Dope!

 

[tamron]

In his place I would have liked to have seen Aldis Hodge as Killmoger.

I just can't visualize that.

Hodge as like Brother Voodoo, maybe. He even looks close enough to Mark Anthony Brighton, the actor who played Daniel Drumm in Dr. Strange, as to play his younger brother.

 

[DrCosmic]

Love Aldis, but MBJ is next tier.