The flame effects look terrible. That shot of him walking down the hall where you see him flame on from the back. It looks like they just super imposed flames over MBJ walking down in costume. Incredibly cheap looking.
What does that even mean?
How do flames look cheap?
good catch...For those who are curious and not as old and/or not as big car geeks as me, based on the quick glimpse, I believe this is the car Johnny was working on:
It was a relatively affordable mid-engine Toyota (these days, there's really no such thing as an affordable mid-engine car) that was available from the mid-eighties into the nineties.
What does that even mean?
How do flames look cheap?
but, that's definitely not the same car we see drive pass the corn fields, so, what type of car was that...
That one's pretty hard to see past the crops and through the dust, but if I had to guess, I'd say Lincoln Continental Mark III
The effects used there are not much different than optical compositing which has been used since back in the 50's.
It's a shot of MBJ walking down a hallway with a layer effect of flames ontop of him. You could do this effect with iMovie it's so cheap.
The human torch is living flame, he should heat up from his core. When any object heats to high temperature it gives off glowing embers.
I'm not saying they need to do it exactly like the other films, but they paid ILM for the effects on the first film, and it holds up over time, and it's 10 year old technology. What they used in this film wouldn't even be considered cutting edge back then.
In that particular scene the flames look fine, while flying? who knows if we will even see him fly this go around.
In that particular scene the flames look fine, while flying? who knows if we will even see him fly this go around.
This. I've said this before, but the Torch looks like a stuntman in an asbestos suit who is set on fire. His flames aren't coming from his core but just seem to be on various places on top of him.
It's as if they couldn't come up with a better looking flame CGI than the Story movies after all these years on just this budget, so they decided to take the cheaper route of saying that he has vents to control the flames so that he isn't completely engulfed in them and his body isn't living plasma.
This. I've said this before, but the Torch looks like a stuntman in an asbestos suit who is set on fire. His flames aren't coming from his core but just seem to be on various places on top of him.
It's as if they couldn't come up with a better looking flame CGI than the Story movies after all these years on just this budget, so they decided to take the cheaper route of saying that he has vents to control the flames so that he isn't completely engulfed in them and his body isn't living plasma.
It's not the flames, it's that MBJ looks normal underneath the composite layer. I don't have a screen grab, but it doesn't look like the torch.
When you look at artwork of the Torch going back to even Jim Hammond golden age torch, it was a guy engulfed in flame to where you couldn't see the distinguished features. I thought they had the right approach in the last films where they went 100% CGI, so that they could get Chris' features wreathed in flame, but obviously they dont' have the budget for that in this film.
Thank you! Glad you posted the screen grab to better illustrate this. Yes it looks like that because it's basically a composite layer. That is actually a shot of MBJ in costume from the back, the flames are just layered on top of it, and some ligting effects on the suit to blend it.
Looks terrible.
All the shots of Torch in the Story films are 100% CGI via ILM, where Chris did the mo-cap for it. A much better way to rendition the character.
As I said going back to the Jim Hammond Torch he's always been drawn where he's featureless, and all you see is flames, making out the silhouette of a person behind them.
I think it is just a matter of preference like Storm's Eyes or Colossus Skin in the X-Men movies (X2 for both by the way). Personally I preffer a man covered in flames over the visual you posted where a part of his body (or all of it) has turned into flames, but we will just have to wait and see what the final version looks like (especially if he does get to flame on and fly). Also they still have ages to improve on this. t:Whatever you thought of the movie as a whole they got this right: