Mighty Avengers returns in Infinity.

[Mad Ones]

As long as they are good stories now I don't really care. I'm not that worried about what people will think in the future. The thing I'm learning about Marvel is that they aren't worried about how stories will be viewed years from now. They just want to sell books now. There are a few exceptions, but most stories are told within a specific context that is really just worried about the "now."

 

[Havok83]

It's not Marvel's fault titles sell better if they have Avengers in their name. I can't blame them for wanting a title to succeed.

yes it is. The Avengers title sell well bc of all the money and marketting they pumped into making that brand successful. Most of their properties dont get nearly as much support. They've diluted the brand and it will eventually get to a point where it implodes on them. Besides simply having Avengers in the title doesnt automatically mean it will sell. Thunderbolts got a name change to Dark Avengers and its about to be cancelled bc of low sales. New, Uncanny and Avengers are the only ones with great numbers. The rest are pretty mediocore in terms of sales

 

[ShredderX]

A lot of black characters on this team.

Written by a British guy and drawn by a white cat. Marvel characters are diverse, but their stable of artists and writers are not. Think I'llstick with the independents.

 

[hippie_hunter]

yes it is. The Avengers title sell well bc of all the money and marketting they pumped into making that brand successful. Most of their properties dont get nearly as much support. They've diluted the brand and it will eventually get to a point where it implodes on them. Besides simply having Avengers in the title doesnt automatically mean it will sell. Thunderbolts got a name change to Dark Avengers and its about to be cancelled bc of low sales. New, Uncanny and Avengers are the only ones with great numbers. The rest are pretty mediocore in terms of sales

Dark Avengers has already been cancelled. Avengers Arena, Avengers Assemble, Young Avengers, and Secret Avengers are bleeding readers (though Avengers Assemble will get an uptick due to the Infinity crossover). And based on the character rosters and creative teams, I don't think we should have high expectations for Avengers A.I. and Mighty Avengers. I don't think that the sales are mediocre, I think that the Avengers brand has already become so diluted that we're seeing a brand implosion right now.

 

[RockSP]

So is Falcon going to be on two Avengers teams? Not that he's doing much in Avengers presently...

 

[Mr. Dent]

So by September we will have:

Avengers
New Avengers
Uncanny Avengers
Avengers Assemble
Avengers A.I.
Mighty Avengers

And that's not counting stuff like Avengers Arena and Young Avengers. Sheesh.

 

[hippie_hunter]

****, I forgot that Young Avengers was a part of the line as well. At least that book is awesome.

 

[Havok83]

So by September we will have:

Avengers
New Avengers
Uncanny Avengers
Avengers Assemble
Avengers A.I.
Mighty Avengers

And that's not counting stuff like Avengers Arena and Young Avengers. Sheesh.

you forgot about Secret Avengers

So Im guessing 2014 will see the relaunch of West Coast Avengers...

 

[Wine-N-Cheese]

Eh. At least most of them have unique premises, even if some of them really shouldn't be called Avengers books.

I think he already left Iron Man. Dale Eaglesham has done the last 3 issues.

I might have to pick it up again, then...

Written by a British guy and drawn by a white cat. Marvel characters are diverse, but their stable of artists and writers are not. Think I'llstick with the independents.

I don't care about the ethnicity of the creative team, but it is troubling when the artist is known for making everyone look the same.

 

[Dread]

I do agree that the Avengers line is being stretched. Marvel (and DC and probably economics in general) always spam something that is working well until it is overdone and then crumbles. Happened with the X-Men (to a degree), happened to Wolverine as well as Ghost Rider and Punisher in the 90's and eventually the Avengers band will snap.

However, even with the X-Men brand being a little past its prime, Marvel still feel content to have 4 core X-Books (5 if you count Ultimate X-Men), as well as spin-off's such as Uncanny X-Force and the like (such as Wolverine's two books, or Deadpool's series, etc.). So I don't expect it to change.

Greg Land's art is a downer. The writer is an unknown to me as I've never read his work before. However, I like Blue Marvel, Power Man, White Tiger, and Luke Cage and have nothing against any of the rest of the cast besides Spider-Ock. I'm not sure who Ronin is this time; could be Echo again or maybe even Iron Fist in disguise?

Anyone who gives Pym crap about never picking a codename and settling on it needs to be shown Monica Rambeau and told to shut up.

I'm not getting all of the other Avengers books, so I probably will give this a try. Great to see Adam Brashear/Blue Marvel back in circulation. Marvel readers probably know Kevin Grevouix best for that awkward (at best) NEW WARRIORS run, but this character was pretty solid. He'd have made a good SECRET AVENGER to be honest, but I'm fine with him here. There is a part of me that feels the biggest "black hero" who is missing from the line up is Black Panther, and if She-Hulk can now appear in 3 books at once, why not him? But it's a minor quibble.

The Avengers are quickly becoming the Defenders, a team where everyone in the universe from Stingray to Silverclaw to Tagak the Leopard Lord is a member of one of the other. But in the end it's all about solid characters and good stories, so I probably will give it a try.

 

[The Squirrel]

What's wrong with Spider-Ock? It's a great story line so far.

 

[Dread]

What's wrong with Spider-Ock? It's a great story line so far.

Overall I like the story. But if I stop to examine certain flaws it comes apart a bit. I think it's a perfectly fine arc which is being stretched farther than it should for the sake of killing time before the next movie. And it proves once and for all that undoing the marriage didn't magically fix all of the franchise's problems since it still requires all sorts of desperate stunts to keep it novel.

The longer it lasts, the more it becomes a story about a desperate, terrible super villain who cheated death by swapping bodies with his noble nemesis and proceeded to take over his life, and neither the hero's family, friends, fellow heroes or world at large noticed, cared, or mourned. But, hey, it keeps me coming back.

 

[runawayboulder]

What's wrong with Spider-Ock? It's a great story line so far.

Nothing is wrong with Superior. Those that hate it, hate it from afar.

The flood of Avengers books is the nasty side of the billion dollar juggernaut that was Whedon's Avengers last year. I remember being a kid dreaming of the day I would see Cap, Thor and Iron Man on the big screen. Now, all these years later, it has become part of my nightmares.

The NOW era has been an odd bird so far. We've seen the great storytelling from the 2000's with Busiek's Avengers and Jurgen's Thor compared with Hickman's Avengers and Aaron's Thor but we are also getting the saturation of the Avengers like in the 90's with X-Men.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Written by a British guy and drawn by a white cat. Marvel characters are diverse, but their stable of artists and writers are not. Think I'llstick with the independents.

So you have to be black in order to legitimately write and draw black characters...?

Anyway; I'm in. Quite frankly, they had me at "Monica Rambeau".

 

[Artistsean]

I'm hoping the Spider-Man costume change indicates that the character has changed too, maybe back to [BLACKOUT]Peter[/BLACKOUT] or maybe to [BLACKOUT]2099[/BLACKOUT]. But i'm very interested too. Also, wonder who the Ronin is. Wouldn't it be interesting if the new Spider-man was [BLACKOUT]2099[/BLACKOUT] and the new Ronin was [BLACKOUT]Peter (returned from the dead)[/BLACKOUT].

 

[OnTheAir]

As a Monica Rambeau fan, I'll give it a shot.

 

[Themanofbat]

My 14 year old pointed this out to me last night...

"Used to be that being an Avenger was an honour in the super-hero community... with all these teams, you just have to wear a costume and you'll be an Avenger.

Big deal!"

I'm so proud of my kid...

 

[Havok83]

and to think back in the day they would turn people away from being an Avenger and they would have votes and interviews to look for new members. Now anyone can be on the team! If there's no room, they'll just create a new team to accommodate new people

 

[chamber-music]

Even though Spider-Man and Wolverine are Avengers I don't think I will ever get used to them being Avengers.

 

[DarKush]

I'm really intrigued by this lineup and I'm looking forward to checking this book out.

I'm glad that Marvel is using Blue Marvel again. He's the best Superman archetype that they've got, more so than Hyperion or Sentry. And hopefully Monica will have a permanent code name and get more attention in the Marvel Universe now.

About the only person I would've included, that isn't, is War Machine. Though I'm debating about whether it should be She-Hulk or Red She-Hulk on the roster.

Someone had mentioned Black Panther earlier, but I don't think he quite fits for me-especially now with what they are doing with him in New Avengers. Perhaps Shuri, T'Challa's sister, would be a better fit.

 

[DarKush]

So you have to be black in order to legitimately write and draw black characters...?

Anyway; I'm in. Quite frankly, they had me at "Monica Rambeau".

I can't speak for Shredder X, but I can say that Marvel's lack of diversity behind the scenes-as well as DC's-is a concern. I do think that black creators and other non-white creators can bring different perspectives and insights that can make Marvel's characters (non-white and white) better overall and can reach out to new groups of readers while informing older readers.

I have no problem with Shredder's desire to stick to the independents though. It's something I should do more of, to support creators that are not getting opportunities from Marvel or DC.

 

[chamber-music]

They had a black writer on the recent Mister Terrific 52 comic sucked sadly. I don't have a problem supporting black or minority writers if what they write is actually good.

 

[Themanofbat]

If Blue Marvel is on this team... things might not be boading well for a return of Marvel Man in the near future...

 

[JewishHobbit]

I don't support black writers... or hispanic writers... or asian or female writers. I don't even support white writers.

I support writers.

I honestly feel to pick out a writer's color or sex and make that a topic of conversation is a serious step backwards. Unless it's shown that Marvel or DC are purposely picking out white males and dodging other writers due to sex or color, there is no conversation here other than the HOPE of there being an issue, and that's just silly.

 

[runawayboulder]

If Blue Marvel is on this team... things might not be boading well for a return of Marvel Man in the near future...

Once upon a time I was excited for Marvelman but after hearing the plans for Angela, I almost hope he never gets anywhere near the 616. I think at this point I'd rather see a universe/line developed around him with a competent writer.