Fantasy Mike Flanagan's Adaptation of Stephen King's 'The Dark Tower'

Also, I've been trawling through Glen Mazzara's twitter and I have to say that I like what I'm seeing. He seems like a cool guy that has a genuine passion for the books, and we know that he has talent from his previous work so I'm really happy that he's going to be our showrunner. Also, he openly mocked the movie in this tweet so we know he's awesome:


:hehe: :wowe:
 
It's interesting because a similar thing could be said about Roland in TDT, but in reverse. Roland isn't your typical fantasy hero figure by any stretch, especially early on in the book series where he's very much an anti-hero. In the first book he does some particularly despicable things to keep following the Man in Black (including letting Jake, his child companion, fall to his death rather than try to save him and in therefore lose track of Walter in the process), but through some particularly wonderful and moving character development by the end of the series he transforms into much more of a traditional, selfless hero figure. That's why, in a way, starting from Roland's boyhood in this series makes a great deal of sense. Starting from the events of The Gunslinger (the first book in the series) runs the risk of the general audience not taking to the very anti-heroic Roland at all, but starting the series from Roland's childhood means that the audience can witness first hand the sheer amount of drama, loss and grief that Roland has had to suffer through in his life because of his bloodline and his status as the last gunslinger, and therefore they will feel much more sympathetic and understanding towards him if the series ever does jump forward to older Roland and adapts the main timeline of the books.

It probably would have been fine if the writing was good and the actor did well.

Jamie Lannister in Episode 1 of GOT ****s his sister and throws a child off a tower crippling him. He's called kingslayer. Has no honor and is just awful. By season 3 hes become a sympathetic character. Now he's one of the most liked characters because of the actor and because of the character's story. He's pretty much become a hero with honor and is willing to fight thousands of undead corpses and sacrifice his life for other people.
 
I agree so hard that creating complex, compelling and likable characters is what King absolutely excels at as a writer, and it's where so many adaptations of his books stumble at the very first hurdle, if his characters aren't adapted as faithfully as possible then the adaptation as a whole is never going to work, period. That's where I think IT (the 2017 film, not the mini-series) really succeeded and why audiences took to it in a big way, it may not have been a completely faithful adaptation of the child half of the book but it captured the essence of King's original characters and their kinship really well (okay, except poor Mike admittedly, which is my biggest complaint with the film). All I want is to see these characters from TDT that I love so much (especially Roland and Walter/The Man in Black who are two of my favourite literary characters of all time) adapted faithfully and with respect to what complex, enigmatic, fascinating creatures they really are.



It's interesting because a similar thing could be said about Roland in TDT, but in reverse. Roland isn't your typical fantasy hero figure by any stretch, especially early on in the book series where he's very much an anti-hero. In the first book he does some particularly despicable things to keep following the Man in Black (including letting Jake, his child companion, fall to his death rather than try to save him and in therefore lose track of Walter in the process), but through some particularly wonderful and moving character development by the end of the series he transforms into much more of a traditional, selfless hero figure. That's why, in a way, starting from Roland's boyhood in this series makes a great deal of sense. Starting from the events of The Gunslinger (the first book in the series) runs the risk of the general audience not taking to the very anti-heroic Roland at all, but starting the series from Roland's childhood means that the audience can witness first hand the sheer amount of drama, loss and grief that Roland has had to suffer through in his life because of his bloodline and his status as the last gunslinger, and therefore they will feel much more sympathetic and understanding towards him if the series ever does jump forward to older Roland and adapts the main timeline of the books.



And we all say thankya big-big (for fans of the book series :cwink:)... Don't get me wrong, I love Elba, he's one of my favourite actors and he's extremely underrated (and he indeed looks good in tight leather), but he just isn't Roland Deschain. At all. The character in the film didn't resemble the character in the books in any way, and I'm not even talking about race or physical appearance, he just wasn't Roland. The film Roland railed against being a gunslinger and wasn't even trying to find and enter the Dark Tower. I mean... what? :ebr: It's like the writers thought, 'Oh hey, let's take away two of the most vital character traits of this guy, strip him of all his depth and purpose and re-write him completely into someone that in no way resembles the book character, that'd be cool, right?' :whatever:

Haha yeah that was my biggest complaint about It as well... they royally screwed Mike as a character. I think they realized it too because the filmmakers said in an interview that Mike has a much more prominent role in the sequel. Still, it’s a bad look when the person of color in your adaptation is the one who gets the shaft.

And yeah, making changes that huge to Roland’s character were just stupid. I think there’s room to make some changes to characters when they are needed, but if you do too much, then they feel like completely different characters. The Lord of the Rings films are a good example of making necessary changes to certain characters without losing the essence of who they are. Frodo takes up his quest right away in the film so that the audience gets a sense of the urgency of destroying the ring; in the book, I think he waits for months before he takes off. Aragorn fully embraces his destiny as Isildur’s Heir in the books, but in the films, he’s full of self doubt, which makes his ultimate decision to take up the mantle of the king all that more effective. Yet in neither case did it feel like the characters were misrepresented.
 
It probably would have been fine if the writing was good and the actor did well.

Jamie Lannister in Episode 1 of GOT ****s his sister and throws a child off a tower crippling him. He's called kingslayer. Has no honor and is just awful. By season 3 hes become a sympathetic character. Now he's one of the most liked characters because of the actor and because of the character's story. He's pretty much become a hero with honor and is willing to fight thousands of undead corpses and sacrifice his life for other people.

It’s a solid point but remember that Jaime is one part of a huge cast. If you’re the type of viewer who needs someone to root for, you have plenty of options in GoT (Jon Snow, Arya, Ned, Tyrion, etc.). TDT starts out pretty much with Roland, Jake, the Man in Black and a bunch of inbred lunatics in Tull. If Roland doesn’t click with you, you’re probably not going to be that interested in what happens next.
 
i never read the books or the comics , so i dont really care what some of you are talking , i just want a good show
 
I agree so hard that creating complex, compelling and likable characters is what King absolutely excels at as a writer, and it's where so many adaptations of his books stumble at the very first hurdle, if his characters aren't adapted as faithfully as possible then the adaptation as a whole is never going to work, period. That's where I think IT (the 2017 film, not the mini-series) really succeeded and why audiences took to it in a big way, it may not have been a completely faithful adaptation of the child half of the book but it captured the essence of King's original characters and their kinship really well (okay, except poor Mike admittedly, which is my biggest complaint with the film). All I want is to see these characters from TDT that I love so much (especially Roland and Walter/The Man in Black who are two of my favourite literary characters of all time) adapted faithfully and with respect to what complex, enigmatic, fascinating creatures they really are.



It's interesting because a similar thing could be said about Roland in TDT, but in reverse. Roland isn't your typical fantasy hero figure by any stretch, especially early on in the book series where he's very much an anti-hero. In the first book he does some particularly despicable things to keep following the Man in Black (including letting Jake, his child companion, fall to his death rather than try to save him and in therefore lose track of Walter in the process), but through some particularly wonderful and moving character development by the end of the series he transforms into much more of a traditional, selfless hero figure. That's why, in a way, starting from Roland's boyhood in this series makes a great deal of sense. Starting from the events of The Gunslinger (the first book in the series) runs the risk of the general audience not taking to the very anti-heroic Roland at all, but starting the series from Roland's childhood means that the audience can witness first hand the sheer amount of drama, loss and grief that Roland has had to suffer through in his life because of his bloodline and his status as the last gunslinger, and therefore they will feel much more sympathetic and understanding towards him if the series ever does jump forward to older Roland and adapts the main timeline of the books.



And we all say thankya big-big (for fans of the book series :cwink:)... Don't get me wrong, I love Elba, he's one of my favourite actors and he's extremely underrated (and he indeed looks good in tight leather), but he just isn't Roland Deschain. At all. The character in the film didn't resemble the character in the books in any way, and I'm not even talking about race or physical appearance, he just wasn't Roland. The film Roland railed against being a gunslinger and wasn't even trying to find and enter the Dark Tower. I mean... what? :ebr: It's like the writers thought, 'Oh hey, let's take away two of the most vital character traits of this guy, strip him of all his depth and purpose and re-write him completely into someone that in no way resembles the book character, that'd be cool, right?' :whatever:
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The way that jacket wraps around this muscled arms. Mmm.
 
The way that jacket wraps around this muscled arms. Mmm.

That's the thing though, Roland isn't supposed to be hunky and muscled like Elba was in the movie, he's a very lean and mean ultra-grizzled gunslinging machine. Think classic era Clint Eastwood in the Dollars trilogy with the unrelenting personality of The Terminator. He's explicitly compared to both within the books. Also, you're preaching to the wrong choir I'm afraid, Elba is indeed very handsome, but I play for the other team. :oldrazz:

All this Game of Thrones talk makes me want Iain Glen as Roland.

Good choice!

Two other good options for older Roland are Sean Bean and Guy Pearce. Both great actors, and Bean already has the gruffness and the blue eyes down pat, he just needs to lose a little weight to make himself more wiry and mean looking, grow some facial hair, dye his hair black (with gray streaks) and he'd be great. Same with Pearce. Also, Bean would have the added bonus of actually playing a character who
doesn't die
for once in his life. :cwink:

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Bronn Is Moving To Gilead
Posted: April 22, 2019, 10:47:35
Section: TV » The Dark Tower
Game of Thrones is coming to an end and now comes the news that Jerome Flynn who plays Bronn is moving to Gilead. In an interview with Morror Flynn reveals that he will have a part in Amazon’s adaptation of The Dark Tower. It’s not stated who he will play though.


He says: “Game of Thrones has opened doors to some great stuff. I’m getting offered stuff I never would have.”

And his next part is another fantasy – one of his own. He will play a cowboy in the dramatisation of Stephen King’s seven-book Dark Tower series.

Jerome says: “I’ve always said I’d like to play a cowboy – and now one has come along. I’m excited for that.”

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Bronn Is Moving To Gilead
Posted: April 22, 2019, 10:47:35
Section: TV » The Dark Tower
Game of Thrones is coming to an end and now comes the news that Jerome Flynn who plays Bronn is moving to Gilead. In an interview with Morror Flynn reveals that he will have a part in Amazon’s adaptation of The Dark Tower. It’s not stated who he will play though.


He says: “Game of Thrones has opened doors to some great stuff. I’m getting offered stuff I never would have.”

And his next part is another fantasy – one of his own. He will play a cowboy in the dramatisation of Stephen King’s seven-book Dark Tower series.

Jerome says: “I’ve always said I’d like to play a cowboy – and now one has come along. I’m excited for that.”

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Copied from Lilja's Library: Lilja's Library - The World of Stephen King [1996 - 2019]

Awesome news! :applaud Flynn is really good in GoT, Bronn is one of my favourite characters in the show. He'd actually make a pretty good older Roland himself, but I'm guessing that's not who he's been cast as seeing as the show (at first at least) will be based around young Roland. Maybe he'll be playing Roland's father, Steven Deschain? Or Eldred Jonas! Flynn as Eldred Jonas would be some sweet casting.
 
Yeah, I'm thinking Jonas. Perhaps Flynn can play a morally incorruptible character like Steven Deschain but I think he's at his best when he's playing more devious characters. He'd be a perfect fit for Jonas. Though I could also see him as Cort.
 
Given that they are only shooting the pilot I doubt it is Jonas. If it's someone we know from the very beginning of Roland's story in Gilead, then it almost has to be Roland's father or Cort.
 
Hmmm, true. Unless they have enough confidence in their concept that they're already casting beyond the pilot? Not sure if that ever happens.
 
And I'm not assuming it's a straight adaptation; maybe things have been combined and mixed around a bit. But if they're sort of loosely following a more linear chronology from the books, I'd be a little surprised if they get as far as the Mejis in the pilot--you'd think the most logical climax for the pilot would be Roland becoming a gunslinger and then a denouement that sets up the rest of the series.

That said, doesn't mean they might not have some scenes of Jonas in Gilead.
 
I've started re-watching Game of Thrones since the beginning whilst watching the new episodes and I have to say that I'm now completely 100% on board with @Rorschach2012's suggestion of Iain Glen as older/main timeline Roland if this show ever gets that far. The guy is absolutely perfect, he has so many of Roland's traits and characteristics as Jorah Mormont, the gruffness, the sternness and seriousness, the stoicism, not to mention the utter ruthlessness and Glen still manages to make Jorah likable and sympathetic despite all that which is absolutely essential for any actor playing Roland. He also looks like Roland, he has the height and the age and those important icy pale blue killer's eyes. I think that Glen is definitely now my dream casting option for Roland.

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Also, I'm surprised that we haven't got any more casting news yet, isn't the pilot supposed to be filming in Croatia by now? I'm sure I read the end of April somewhere.
 
the set pictures looking damn good i m kinda hyped for the show
 
Hmmm... looks a little more... modern than I was expecting but Roland's world is basically a mix of the Wild West, the present day and medieval times so it works. Also, great news the scripts are good.

It's happening.
It's happening it's happening.
It's happening it's happening it's happening.
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This is so exciting, it already looks vastly better than the movie just from these set pics! :funny: And awesome news that a) we have scripts for the first few episodes (which signifies that Glen Mazzara and co must be very confident that Amazon are going to order the show to full series) and b) they're really well written. Do we dare to hope? :wow:

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This is definitely supposed to be Gilead, the horse statues must be of Llamrei, Arthur Eld's white stallion, as they can be found throughout Gilead's castle complex.

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Jerome Flynn :D
 
Bronn looks really badass. Since these scenes appear to be Giliead, and he's dressed like a gunslinger, I'm guessing he's playing Steven Deschain. Though he could possibly still be playing Jonas, since he was a failed gunslinger and this could be a flashback. That's unlikely though because he would have only been at Gilead until his test, which would probably have occurred when he was Roland's age or a little older.
 
I actually just started the Wizard and Glass. The previous 3 books are some of my favorite books ever. I started The Gunslinger last year and have been pretty consistently listening to the audiobooks in the car ever since. Stephen King is a god.

This is an incredible series that could very easily become a cultural phenomenon like Game of Thrones if they execute it properly. I have faith that Amazon realizes this. The set photos are very encouraging, it looks like they’ve got a sizable budget.
 
Yeah, it absolutely has the potential to be huge. I don't know if anything will ever be as big as GoT but this series has a lot of potential if they execute it well.
 

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