Fant4stic Miles Teller further elaborated on why will will hate this movie...

[Joe Rockhead]

I find it hard to be mad at the performers who were hired for their roles in the movie.

Marvel set the precedent for this film by creating the Ultimate FF. If Fox is adapting that version, you can't say "it's not from the comics".

I'm fine with Teller playing Reed. I don't think his performance in any way shape or form will destroy the character beyond what Trank and Kinberg have drawn up for him. The source material for this movie already destroyed Reed.

 

[Farren]

The fact that the cast is so dismissive and defensive is pretty suspect imo. They aren't even trying to change anyone's minds.

Kinberg's the only one who's tried to offer assurances that they tried to stick to some of the source material, and he tried to do some damage control on Kate Mara's statement.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Why is it that everytime I feel like I may give this film a chance, one of the actors says something that pisses me off again -_-

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Why is it that everytime I feel like I may give this film a chance, one of the actors says something that pisses me off again -_-

It almost seems like a concerted effort, doesn't it? I mean how difficult would it be to say: "Fans are upset because they haven't really seen anything yet, but I'm confident they'll like it when they see it."

Instead, he has to say they're going for a 'fresh audience'. Fresh audience? Why not do something for the audience you already have instead of trying to create a whole new one?

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I mean I really think this could be good....it may be FF INO but still good, the cast IS talented and so is the production team and writers, but man when they talk about it...it irks me for some reason.

And yes I agree! You should be trying to bring back the old fans you screwed with the Tim Story films, not just ignoring them and going after the people who liked chronicle lol. We haven't seen ANYTHING for this film either, something don't smell right.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I mean I really think this could be good....it may be FF INO but still good, the cast IS talented and so is the production team and writers, but man when they talk about it...it irks me for some reason.

And yes I agree! You should be trying to bring back the old fans you screwed with the Tim Story films, not just ignoring them and going after the people who liked chronicle lol. We haven't seen ANYTHING for this film either, something don't smell right.

I'm desperately trying to find something to like about it and all it would take is a few keywords and a recognition and acknowledgement of the comic books along with recognition of the fans of those comic books as your customers and audience. They seem to see us as some evil force to be dealt with as opposed to the people they're making this movie for.

 

[Farren]

It almost seems like a concerted effort, doesn't it? I mean how difficult would it be to say: "Fans are upset because they haven't really seen anything yet, but I'm confident they'll like it when they see it."

Exactly. It makes me fear that this was the attitude they had during the entire production: that the fans were going to hate it and they just had to suck it up. Like, that's not really a good sign.

It reminds me -- in contrast -- of an interview I read with Bryce Dallas Howard at a con before SM3 came out. Now look, I know that movie had problems, but at least it had genuine effort in it. And I remember that Howard was asked if she was a comic reader and she replied that she hadn't been before but that she was now, and gave the overall impression to the interviewer that she was genuinely enthusiastic about the movie. Was she telling the truth about the comics? Who knows, but she at least she had some enthusiasm and respect for the fanbase, and that was probably in part a reflection of the tone on the set.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I mean I really think this could be good....it may be FF INO but still good, the cast IS talented and so is the production team and writers, but man when they talk about it...it irks me for some reason.

And it may not. Could be as accurate to the chosen source as most other CBMs

I find it hard to be mad at the performers who were hired for their roles in the movie.

Marvel set the precedent for this film by creating the Ultimate FF. If Fox is adapting that version, you can't say "it's not from the comics".

I'm fine with Teller playing Reed. I don't think his performance in any way shape or form will destroy the character beyond what Trank and Kinberg have drawn up for him.

Remarkably sensible post. Didn't expect to find one of these in this thread

 

[Miken Ayers]

And it may not. Could be as accurate to the chosen source as most other CBMs



Remarkably sensible post. Didn't expect to find one of these in this thread

I was never mad at the actors. They're paid to perform in lines with a script they're provided. I'd rather Miles Prower, Michael Jordan, and Katie Holmes be straight with us like they have been than say, "Fans will not be disappointed. We're finally giving the Marvel Zombies the FF film they want." THEN give is the crapfest the movie's being advertised as.

It's Fox and Trank I'm cursing, but at the same time praising since if it bombs they'll most likely let the rights revert back to Marvel.

 

[Orba]

Disappointing, out of all of the Marvel franchises this is one of the ones best designed for films more suitable for kids and the family audience, so instead Fox are going "mature".

 

[Orba]

BTW this is the source of his latest quote.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/08/miles-teller-whiplash_n_5947824.html

and the part where he talks about FF.

I know you can't say much about "The Fantastic Four," but surely you're aware of the attention being given to that movie. Does it bug you how much people pick apart the casting choices and other details?
Like you said, there are a million blogs and websites talking about the casting and they hear one little thing, like, oh, there was rumor it was a found-footage movie, so then there were a million comments on that. If we’re going to be up for everybody’s public disposal of it, I try not to get too caught up with anything on the Internet. Out of sight is out of mind for me a lot of the time. I already know that people hate me for the fact that I’m playing Reed Richards and that we’re ruining their franchise. It’s tough because when you’re taking on a franchise that’s already been established, you do kind of owe something to the characters and to the creator. At the same time, you want to bring it to a fresh audience. My dad grew up with the "Fantastic Four" comic book and not a lot of kids did, so you also want to make a movie that they can enjoy. I will say that this film that we made is not really for little kids, I don’t think. We do take a more mature approach.

 

[Joe Rockhead]

And it may not. Could be as accurate to the chosen source as most other CBMs



Remarkably sensible post. Didn't expect to find one of these in this thread

Thanks, but it's not like I didn't qualify it.

The source material for this movie already destroyed Reed.

The Reed Richards that most 616 fans are looking for has been dead since the 80's when Byrne took over.

Over the last 30+ years, he's been broken down from that dynamic leader who didn't always had the answers, but would be the first person to figure out the solution. The Marvel universe grew in leaps and bounds in those first hundred issues from Lee/Kirby (or Kirby/Lee depending on your allegiances).

Byrne softened him up, Simonson hardened him again, then Waid I think really got him closest to the way I think he should be portrayed.

Then Millar turned him into a brat of a kid in Ultimate FF, while in roughly the same time making him a conspirator with Stark and Pym during Civil War to the point where creating a negative zone prison for his allies and cloning Thor were both just 'day in the life' for him.

Hickman explored Reed like no other, but in the end left him not only keeping secrets from his family, but also being put in his place by his 3 year old daughter and allowing his mortal enemies to join his foundation. Fraction extended his secretive nature, and now Robinson is taking the character and family apart.

So no... I don't really think Teller will do damage to the character - that ship has sailed long ago.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Thanks, but it's not like I didn't qualify it.



The Reed Richards that most 616 fans are looking for has been dead since the 80's when Byrne took over.

Over the last 30+ years, he's been broken down from that dynamic leader who didn't always had the answers, but would be the first person to figure out the solution. The Marvel universe grew in leaps and bounds in those first hundred issues from Lee/Kirby (or Kirby/Lee depending on your allegiances).

Byrne softened him up, Simonson hardened him again, then Waid I think really got him closest to the way I think he should be portrayed.

Then Millar turned him into a brat of a kid in Ultimate FF, while in roughly the same time making him a conspirator with Stark and Pym during Civil War to the point where creating a negative zone prison for his allies and cloning Thor were both just 'day in the life' for him.

Hickman explored Reed like no other, but in the end left him not only keeping secrets from his family, but also being put in his place by his 3 year old daughter and allowing his mortal enemies to join his foundation. Fraction extended his secretive nature, and now Robinson is taking the character and family apart.

So no... I don't really think Teller will do damage to the character - that ship has sailed long ago.

That's a pretty good analysis. I think everybody other than Millar worked within a range and they stretched and pushed that range in various ways. But Millar created an outlier.

And I don't subscribe to the "It was in the comics, so it's fair game" theory. There is a LOT of crap in the comics. Film-makers have a responsibility to choose the best and most representative elements. They can't just use the worst stories - like UFF - and justify it because it happened to be printed under a Marvel logo at one time.

All of these were "In the comics":

 

[marvelrobbins]

I take what Teller said differently.He is acknowleding what people are saying about the film.It shows they aren't in denial about what some think.

From what Kinberg has said there may be some 616 elements in film too.

I view this like amazing spider-man films.It is more based on ultimate versions with some 616 elements Includd.And let's remember there are those who liked the first amazing Spider-man film.SO it's not like that compession means this will be terrable.

 

[Six]

I already know that people hate me for the fact that I’m playing Reed Richards and that we’re ruining their franchise.

Most honest thing he's said about the production to this date.

 

[Joe Rockhead]

And I don't subscribe to the "It was in the comics, so it's fair game" theory. There is a LOT of crap in the comics. Film-makers have a responsibility to choose the best and most representative elements. They can't just use the worst stories - like UFF - and justify it because it happened to be printed under a Marvel logo at one time.

All of these were "In the comics":

I agree... there are tons of examples where you certainly wouldn't want a direct translation from the comics to the film. And therein lies the problem.

What Trank and Kinberg choose to adapt and not adapt seems to differ from what the majority of 616 FF fans would choose. Not everyone is going to have the same list of check boxes - but most would consider more standards from the 616 universe, while it seems likely that the majority that Trank/Kinberg have are from the Ultimate universe.

 

[The Guard]

The fact that the cast is so dismissive and defensive is pretty suspect imo. They aren't even trying to change anyone's minds.

What in blue hell are you talking about?

How do you get dismissive and defensive from this:

It’s tough because when you’re taking on a franchise that’s already been established, you do kind of owe something to the characters and to the creator. At the same time, you want to bring it to a fresh audience. My dad grew up with the "Fantastic Four" comic book and not a lot of kids did, so you also want to make a movie that they can enjoy. I will say that this film that we made is not really for little kids, I don’t think. We do take a more mature approach.

 

[RAE072]

Marvel set the precedent for this film by creating the Ultimate FF. If Fox is adapting that version, you can't say "it's not from the comics".

It's a shame that Fox had that gun pointed at their head making them adapt the UFF. Darn shame.


And nobody's saying "it's not from the comics." They're saying it's from bad comics. And the UFF are bad comics.

 

[Dasher10]

I'm desperately trying to find something to like about it and all it would take is a few keywords and a recognition and acknowledgement of the comic books along with recognition of the fans of those comic books as your customers and audience. They seem to see us as some evil force to be dealt with as opposed to the people they're making this movie for.

It's that and the fact that the cast seems less than enthusiastic and Trank himself isn't giving any interviews. Kinberg sounds like the only one who give a crap about the property. My guess (and I hope I'm wrong) is that we'll have a great script but everyone else will just be phoning it in. I mean, when the director shuts down his Twitter and the cast can't seem to have anything good to say about it, it's hard to have any enthusiasm.

Also, I'd contest that UFF was bad. The entire Ultimate line was great until around 2007-2008 when Ultimate Cable was revealed to just be Wolverine and Jeph Loeb started ruining the Ultimates.

 

[marcvader]

Most honest thing he's said about the production to this date.

But he left out that he has a very punchable face.

 

[starscream22]

another blurb from 'Reed Richards'.....
I know you can't say much about "The Fantastic Four," but surely you're aware of the attention being given to that movie. Does it bug you how much people pick apart the casting choices and other details?
Like you said, there are a million blogs and websites talking about the casting and they hear one little thing, like, oh, there was rumor it was a found-footage movie, so then there were a million comments on that. If we’re going to be up for everybody’s public disposal of it, I try not to get too caught up with anything on the Internet. Out of sight is out of mind for me a lot of the time. I already know that people hate me for the fact that I’m playing Reed Richards and that we’re ruining their franchise. It’s tough because when you’re taking on a franchise that’s already been established, you do kind of owe something to the characters and to the creator. At the same time, you want to bring it to a fresh audience. My dad grew up with the "Fantastic Four" comic book and not a lot of kids did, so you also want to make a movie that they can enjoy. I will say that this film that we made is not really for little kids, I don’t think. We do take a more mature approach.

Okay if the whole Found Footage element was a rumor then blame your boss Emma Watts for fanning the flames.

That's his talent, that's what he does, and that's what excites him about it,” explained the executive. “It is a really interesting young cast, and he is the magnet that's brought them all together.”

So if it has nothing to do with found footage then why not clarify that from the start?

*******

Not for kids, not Father's F4.... and since it darn sure aint for fans of any age, Whats left?

 

[Dasher10]

Okay if the whole Found Footage element was a rumor then blame your boss Emma Watts for fanning the flames.



So if it has nothing to do with found footage then why not clarify that from the start?

*******

Not for kids, not Father's F4.... and since it darn sure aint for fans of any age, Whats left?

Made to get a bigger payout from Marvel since Fox is hurting the brand?

By this point in production, we saw plenty of behind the scenes photos of every other major blockbuster of the past few years. Even indie films give a detailed plot synopsis by this point. And if all the bad press is going to hurt the film, then Fox should just release something since by this point, they hold the audience in contempt.

By this point, even the producers are giving contradictory statements which implies an inconsistent tone that needs serious editing work done.

 

[Farren]

What in blue hell are you talking about?

How do you get dismissive and defensive from this:

It’s tough because when you’re taking on a franchise that’s already been established, you do kind of owe something to the characters and to the creator. At the same time, you want to bring it to a fresh audience. My dad grew up with the "Fantastic Four" comic book and not a lot of kids did, so you also want to make a movie that they can enjoy. I will say that this film that we made is not really for little kids, I don’t think. We do take a more mature approach.

Yeah that one isn't bad. I mean, I'm not overly fond of the "you do kind of owe something" bit, but it's fine in general. It doesn't really reach out to the fans though, which is odd to me, because it's so easy to BS some enthusiasm towards making the fans happy.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Not for kids, not Father's F4.... and since it darn sure aint for fans of any age, Whats left?

This struck me also. If you're making a film for adults, why are you basing it on the kid's version rather an the version adults want?

 

[pavlov]

if you don't like it, don't watch it. Simple as that. No need to go around in circles repeating how you feel and spamming all the threads. Unlike most of the haters here, I'm part of the silent majority who are in the wait-and-see mode. I'm out.