More Doom and Gloom from Alan Moore

[Frankenmation]

Ah, Lost Girls

 

[Keyser Soze]

Rob Liefeld also added:

"Alan Moore frequently leveraged publishers to employ his friends. It was constant. He cries foul against the system he created. If its true."

 

[fifthfiend]

Awww, I'm crushed.

This is why I'm never nice to anybody.

People get so disappointed when you don't hurt their feelings.

 

[Frankenmation]

I know I am, I was expecting a classic fifthfiend response filled with snark and what do I get? Just a polite acknowledgement of the stuff that Alan Moore has done in the past ten years (or so)? HMPH!

 

[CrimsonMist]

Ah, Lost Girls

I have this. And despite the images(that whole flashback with Dorothy in the barnyard was just ), the thing is actually very well-written.

 

[fifthfiend]

I know I am, I was expecting a classic fifthfiend response filled with snark and what do I get? Just a polite acknowledgement of the stuff that Alan Moore has done in the past ten years (or so)? HMPH!

It was a moment of weakness. I'm sorry.

 

[fifthfiend]

I'm sorry.

The moment of weakness continues!

 

[CrimsonMist]

To be fair, the top-tier of comic talent isn't going to be writing any Watchmen stuff.

I doubt Grant Morrison, Mark Waid, Ed Brubaker, Joe Kelly, Greg Rucka, even Geoff Johns are sitting there going MAN I WISH I COULD WRITE SOME WATCHMEN SPIN-OFF COMICS.

Of course they aren't. It's not happening anymore.

But if DC approached them to do it? They'd probably take it, and regardless of whose doing it, I wouldn't read it.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I've always been a pretty big supporter of Moore. He has an ego, sure, but so do most of the higher end writers (I find it very interesting that we rarely see stuff like this about Grant Morrison or JMS, when they come off just as, if not more, abrasive as Moore does to me). I think most fans and readers are just pissy that he takes no fear in crapping on DC and Marvel's mainstream industry and they have a tendency to rally around them because they publish characters they like.

That being said, the quote the OP highlighted is pretty bad. No top-flight talent in the mainstream comic industry? Wow, damn, that's just not accurate. I admire the independent market, but there are good to great writers in the mainstream way. I haven't read the rest of the article, though. I do agree with him about continuing Watchmen, though. No need for it really.

Also, yeah, Lost Girls is great

 

[Frankenmation]

I have this. And despite the images(that whole flashback with Dorothy in the barnyard was just ), the thing is actually very well-written.

I would read it but the thing is really damn expensive.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I would read it but the thing is really damn expensive.

You can get it in hardcover on Amazon for $30 right now. Still kind of expensive, but it is a very well constructed package. I would link it, but it is porn...so I don't know if I really can.

 

[Frankenmation]

You can get it in hardcover on Amazon for $30 right now. Still kind of expensive, but it is a very well constructed package. I would link it, but it is porn...so I don't know if I really can.

Wow, so it is *just checked amazon*. Might get it then.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Just be prepared...it is porn. It's not like, hardcore porn I can't talk about on the Hype properly or anything, but it is porn. They is sex.

 

[fifthfiend]

I have this. And despite the images(that whole flashback with Dorothy in the barnyard was just ), the thing is actually very well-written.

I'm sure it's actually probably awesome but I'll never know because the one time I looked at it I was like "welp there's Wendy eating Alice's coochie" and then I put it down and walked away forever.

 

[Frankenmation]

Just be prepared...it is porn. It's not like, hardcore porn I can't talk about on the Hype properly or anything, but it is porn. They is sex.

It's all good, I'm a big boy, I can handle it.

 

[CrimsonMist]

I'm sure it's actually probably awesome but I'll never know because the one time I looked at it I was like "welp there's Wendy eating Alice's coochie" and then I put it down and walked away forever.

Well, I bought it (had a nice 33% off coupon at Borders t, aware to some extent of what I was going to get. The book at Borders was shrink-wrapped, for obvious reasons. So when I got home with it, i opened the shrink wrap and opened book just to browse the art work and that scene with Dorothy was what I opened it to. I slammed it shut and was all ...:: opens again::

 

[hippie_hunter]

there are good to great writers in the mainstream way.

Ummmm....yes there is. Gail Simone, Greg Rucka, Paul Cornell, Grant Morrison, Fabian Nicieza, Ed Brubaker, Jonathan Hickman, Joe Kelly, Mark Waid, Dan Slott, Christos Gage, etc.

 

[Tron Bonne]

You do realize I said are, not aren't there, right

 

[Mystirious]

I'm sure it's actually probably awesome but I'll never know because the one time I looked at it I was like "welp there's Wendy eating Alice's coochie" and then I put it down and walked away forever.

That sounds

Your new avatar scares the bejeebus out of me fifth

 

[CrimsonMist]

I've always been a pretty big supporter of Moore. He has an ego, sure, but so do most of the higher end writers (I find it very interesting that we rarely see stuff like this about Grant Morrison or JMS, when they come off just as, if not more, abrasive as Moore does to me). I think most fans and readers are just pissy that he takes no fear in crapping on DC and Marvel's mainstream industry and they have a tendency to rally around them because they publish characters they like.

Which surprises me, really. I find it kind of weird how most comic fans seem to be "Anti-creator!" when it comes to this stuff. And I have a feeling fans will treat Morrison the same way after a few years. I mean, Alan Moore wrote Miracleman, Swamp Thing, V For Vendetta, Watchmen, Promethea, Top 10, LXG, Supreme, From Hell and so many more GREAT comics. And then all of a sudden, it's like "Oh that Alan Moore guy...he's sooo overrated!"

Give Morrison a few years and it'll be "All-Star Superman is so overrated!" or some such nonsense. However, I will say that I like how Moore is humble about his work and how he treats it, as opposed to Morrison, atleast in some of the interviews I've read, who seems to be "IM WRITING THE GREATEST. BATMAN. STORY. EVER!!"

And I love it how he rips into Marvel and DC all the time, it's just funny to me because when you read the interviews, he sounds incredibly pissed, but when you see him talk about this stuff, he's very relaxed and calm and cool.

I also bow to Moore's ability to ignore the mighty dollar and just do his thing.

 

[Frankenmation]

However, I will say that I like how Moore is humble about his work and how he treats it, as opposed to Morrison, atleast in some of the interviews I've read, who seems to be "IM WRITING THE GREATEST. BATMAN. STORY. EVER!!"

Uh huh, right. When did Morrison ever say anything that suggested that?

 

[Tron Bonne]

Which surprises me, really. I find it kind of weird how most comic fans seem to be "Anti-creator!" when it comes to this stuff. And I have a feeling fans will treat Morrison the same way after a few years. I mean, Alan Moore wrote Miracleman, Swamp Thing, V For Vendetta, Watchmen, Promethea, Top 10, LXG, Supreme, From Hell and so many more GREAT comics. And then all of a sudden, it's like "Oh that Alan Moore guy...he's sooo overrated!"

It depends on how Morrison's future career goes. As long as he stays within the mainstream, he'll probably get the free pass, but if he follows Moore and swears off the big two and take shots at him, they will turn on him. It's a very bizarre paradox. I think Morrison will be fine, though. I don't think he'll leave that safe area for various reasons (though who knows).

Give Morrison a few years and it'll be "All-Star Superman is so overrated!" or some such nonsense. However, I will say that I like how Moore is humble about his work and how he treats it, as opposed to Morrison, atleast in some of the interviews I've read, who seems to be "IM WRITING THE GREATEST. BATMAN. STORY. EVER!!"

And I love it how he rips into Marvel and DC all the time, it's just funny to me because when you read the interviews, he sounds incredibly pissed, but when you see him talk about this stuff, he's very relaxed and calm and cool.

I also bow to Moore's ability to ignore the mighty dollar and just do his thing.

Yeah, Moore does get far too much crap. I mean, granted this does step over the line, but usually never find it bad like everyone else and think he almost always has some very interesting things to say.

 

[CrimsonMist]

Uh huh, right. When did Morrison ever say anything that suggested that?

One of the interviews with IGN or one of those sites. If you dig, you'll find it somewhere in the Batman Comics thread. I think DRZ posted it. And Morrison said he was writing The Greatest Batman Story Ever.

 

[Frankenmation]

And Morrison said he was writing The Greatest Batman Story Ever.

Well, hey, he's only stating the obvious.

 

[Tron Bonne]

One of the interviews with IGN or one of those sites. If you dig, you'll find it somewhere in the Batman Comics thread. I think DRZ posted it. And Morrison said he was writing The Greatest Batman Story Ever.

I might be wrong, but if we're thinking of the same thing, that was something an editor said in relation to an upcoming Morrison Batman story, not himself.

I was mostly talking about how Morrison really talks down to the fans. On more than one occasion I've read him basically saying 'screw the fans' in some form or another. Though, yeah, he does come off as somewhat full of himself something when I read/see interviews of him. That doesn't bother me that much (I know artists have egos, it's just the way it is for the most part), but I find the irony since I really don't think Moore is worse.