More Script Problems?

[Octoberist]

My point being is that if the script is in trouble, they have so much help from DC. All they have to do is ask.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

I presume Batman Begins had a lot of the same help, and look at some of the dialogue in that film.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Jonah did script doctor work on Batman Begins, yes.

 

[Octoberist]

As far as I know, Geoff Johns and co don't have much of a say when it comes to any of Nolan's DC projects. So they're not proactively involved but they ARE there if Goyer needs help.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Goyer's already gotten help.

 

[Octoberist]

So no worries for Superman then, Jaime?

 

[Sam]

As far as I know, Geoff Johns and co don't have much of a say when it comes to any of Nolan's DC projects. So they're not proactively involved but they ARE there if Goyer needs help.

Goyer and Johns are big friends. So, im sure that they talked about the movie in some level, even if its non official.

 

[Sam]

Goyer's already gotten help.

from... ?

 

[Jake Cassidy]

^ Akiva Goldsman

 

[bgshw44]

i always assumed jonah was going to help goyer out once they handed in TDKR, jamie can you clarify your statement?

 

[Sam]

^ Akiva Goldsman

Seriously?

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Seriously?

Of course not. How the **** would I know? t:

 

[Sam]

Of course not. How the **** would I know? t:

lol

I was having hard time trying to make it have any sense!

 

[gillberg2k1]

Of course Goyer's gotten help from the usual suspects. It's a given.

I personally enjoy Jonahs work quite a bit over Goyers. The more input he can have into this script the better.

 

[Kurosawa]

My point being is that if the script is in trouble, they have so much help from DC. All they have to do is ask.

DC themselves are completely and hopelessly lost as for what to do with Superman and have been for years, the miracles of Birthright and All-Star Superman were the exceptions, not the rule.

 

[bgshw44]

Of course Goyer's gotten help from the usual suspects. It's a given.

I personally enjoy Jonahs work quite a bit over Goyers. The more input he can have into this script the better.

yes sir!

 

[Dark Knight]

Vulture seems to have it out for this Superman project as a whole considering how they've gone after Snyder and Goyer on multiple occasions. That however doesn't change the fact that there is some truth to the matter.

It's obvious they have a problem with Snyder and Goyer.

By the way, what alleged "facts" do we have that there is truth to the script having 3rd act problems?

 

[gillberg2k1]

It's obvious they have a problem with Snyder and Goyer.

By the way, what alleged "facts" do we have that there is truth to the script having 3rd act problems?

Look, I've heard about the script problems and "rushing" intro production. I'll go ahead and spill the beans.

The script DID in fact have issues in the third act. ALL of Goyer's projects have. This is nothing new to anyone. This also might have been news MONTHS ago before others were brought on to add their 2 cents (Including Snyder himself).

The fact of the matter is, both TDKR and TMoS have had some script issues. You're just hearing about TMoS, because Snyder lends himself much more to sensationalistic stories than say, a Mr. Christopher Nolan, who had quite a bit of trouble himself.

The issues for the most part have been ironed out. Nobody is really concerned anymore. (Keep in mind a MAJORITY of this concern was back before they even had Snyder signed on). So most of this is just regurgitating old news over and over again.

 

[bgshw44]

glad to have you back gillberg

my question is, how can this movie be seen as being rushed into production? the nolan/goyer news broke over a year ago.

 

[bgshw44]

on a side note, no one said SR script was having issues, and well, it was extremely poor imo, so at least they were aware of the issues now and have had them addressed like gillberg and others have said.

 

[Dark Knight]

Look, I've heard about the script problems and "rushing" intro production. I'll go ahead and spill the beans.

The script DID in fact have issues in the third act. ALL of Goyer's projects have. This is nothing new to anyone. This also might have been news MONTHS ago before others were brought on to add their 2 cents (Including Snyder himself).

The fact of the matter is, both TDKR and TMoS have had some script issues. You're just hearing about TMoS, because Snyder lends himself much more to sensationalistic stories than say, a Mr. Christopher Nolan, who had quite a bit of trouble himself.

The issues for the most part have been ironed out. Nobody is really concerned anymore. (Keep in mind a MAJORITY of this concern was back before they even had Snyder signed on). So most of this is just regurgitating old news over and over again.

Meh.

I'm still waiting on some "facts" regarding alleged script problems.

 

[Alonsovich]

Meh.

I'm still waiting on some "facts" regarding alleged script problems.

You're asking for an impossible unless someone leaks the last 5 drafts of the script. That's not how insiders work... they only give details that most likely are being told to them by someone that knows or claims to know the actual state of things. Script leaks are a very rare thing... even more rare that all drafts get out there.

 

[plugginmuffin]

I find it a bit troubling that Sucker Punch looks bad, because it's the first original piece of work Snyder has produced. Everything else he's done has been an adaption of an original. If Snyder and Goyer are working on the script and Nolan has fled the coup for The Dark Knight Rises I think there's reason to be concerned. Nolan has seemed like a very hands-off producer whose involvement has been limited to bringing Goyer's concept to the studio and hiring a director. Snyder wasn't his first choice.

Goyer is a wildcard he can write Blade or Blade Trinity, Batman Begins or Jumper...I just hope we don't get a half-baked ending because this movie needed to be rolled out for litigation reasons.

I agree with you. And when I first heard that Snyder and Goyer were involved, I was worried to say the least. I liked 300, and Watchmen was okay, but Snyder's movies usually aren't plot driven which really does have an impact on how the movie will play out. I have my hopes for it because of Nolan and I'm happy with the casting of Cavill, but everything else out of the production rumors (even if they are rumors) has me concerned.

What Superman needs is a conflict worthy of his character; characters that are bold and meaningful to the plot. Superman should be a story and character driven movie with action that is integral to the plot, but not solely action based. I just hope the production team thinks of something similar. The visuals will be beautiful no matter what, that's something Snyder is completely competent in, it will be a gorgeous and inventive movie at least creatively. I still am hoping it's not a origin based movie. And if so, only for the first quarter, there is so much of Superman beyond Smallville. And wouldn't it make sense to put Clark in Smallvilel for a large portion of the film, seeing that Cavill doesn't look like a teenager. It would be poor judgment on the film maker's part to try and convince us that he is playing someone in high school. So I would still hope on that alone we would get less of an origin story. The one aspect Superman Returns did not have enough of was the focus on Superman/Clark Kent; they should really utilize his character and his interaction with others. Make Metropolis as important an element as in the comics.

But let's say Sucker Punch does do poorly. Both critically and financially. What would happen? Would things change in the production? Could they fire him this late in the game (even if they are limited for time)? Or would it only cause concern for Snyder's current production?

 

[Gianakin_]

Watchmen was primarily plot and character driven.

 

[plugginmuffin]

I think WB is worried about Sucker Punch. To me, Zack is a creative director who needs..restraints. He's titters on the line of self-indulgence sometimes. I just feel like Sucker Punch could be fun or it could be..too much.

That's why I think that ideally, Nolan would like to just focus ON Batman,but I have a feeling he or his wife is going to have to kinda look over Zack's shoulder.

OR...

Another theory of mine is to have Jonah Nolan join Superman in some official capacity, just for the script. Jonah could be the mediator between Zack and Chris, if you will..

I think Zack will do a great job. I have feeling that he'll pull a Martin Campbell.

If you look at Martin Campbell's career, he's probably made...3 good movies (not including Green Lantern) in his longish career. With Casino Royale, there was a lot of pressure on his part to reinvent Bond again, for the second time. Keep in mind that he made a bunch of average movies post-Goldeneye with maybe 'Zorro' being a decent flick.

So I think the pressure is on Zack: He has the Superman fans and Nolan to please. This is bigger than Watchmen. This will probably determine his future as a director too, people. If Superman ends up being average or highly polarizing, then it might be doom for Zack.

If Jonah just gave a little help, most of my concerns would diminish. I really do hope Goyer and Snyder uses all the resources they can. Things wouldn't look good for the future Superman movies if this one isn't a success either.