Mr. Summers please come back!

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Okay, I know Wolverine is the most popular X-MEN ever, he's the face that brings in the $ and the girls get excited over so he's stuck at the front and in the title, but if ya' really look around Scott's got a big following, even though he has a big stick up his butt at times, he is still the leader and a cool character.

I hope in time he gets a bigger role and once Wolvie gets everyone back on the team Cyke takes over as leader and then maybe the show can be renamed as Astonishing X-men or something like that.

the studio needs to see who the main man really is and that alot of fans are getting tired of Mr. Wolfman Logan. :yay:

Part of his charm was that he wasn't the leader, but now they stick him everywhere, it is time to pull back on Logan.

It'd be nice also if Marvel Studios would revamp the films since Singer ruined them, and make the first movie with no Wolverine, just the original cast then Wolvie can come along in the 2nd, kinda' like Joker in TDK.
 
I did some checking around and noticed that you just got into the show from the recent debut on NickToons & Nick, which showed the first two episodes (and will show the third this week).

Without giving too much away, I have seen the first 15 episodes, soon to be 16 (out of 26 for the debut season). While I do share your concerns and criticisms about the lack of Scott Summers/Cyclops, and while once you read all of my reviews for the episodes as you watch them, his treatment often is a sticking point with me, I will say that Cyclops is NOT forgotten or omitted in this show. He does have a minor subplot, and it does come to a head in at least one focus episode, which is excellent. Cyclops fares better on this show than some of the other X-Men, or at least one or two of them.

Is he handled perfectly? No. At least not yet. But I just wanted to put you at ease a little that he isn't being forgotten.
 
And as someone who's seen all the episodes (half in esPanol) I can tell you that he probably has the most fleshed out character arc of any X-Man this season. In some ways, it centers around him. Wolverine's arc on the other hand is pretty much complete over the course of a few episodes. The rest of the season is basically just footnotes and epilogues.
 
Okay, I know Wolverine is the most popular X-MEN ever, he's the face that brings in the $ and the girls get excited over so he's stuck at the front and in the title, but if ya' really look around Scott's got a big following, even though he has a big stick up his butt at times, he is still the leader and a cool character.

I think it’s Hugh Jackman’s face which sells and girls fall for. Cartoon Wolverine to me has never been attractive. Neither his episodes. Hugh on the other hand, I can watch as Wolverine all the day :woot:

And I really hope too they remove the 'Wolverine' from the series title in season 2 cause it’s absolutely unnecessary.
 
I think it’s Hugh Jackman’s face which sells and girls fall for. Cartoon Wolverine to me has never been attractive. Neither his episodes. Hugh on the other hand, I can watch as Wolverine all the day :woot:

And I really hope too they remove the 'Wolverine' from the series title in season 2 cause it’s absolutely unnecessary.

Heh.
"and the X-Men" airing at noon.
 
I haven't seen the entire season yet, but I assume Xavier's putting Wolverine in charge was all part of his master plan at some point, since he does feel that Cyclops should be back on eventually.
 
I think it’s Hugh Jackman’s face which sells and girls fall for. Cartoon Wolverine to me has never been attractive. Neither his episodes. Hugh on the other hand, I can watch as Wolverine all the day :woot:

And I really hope too they remove the 'Wolverine' from the series title in season 2 cause it’s absolutely unnecessary.

Well, would AMAZING FRIENDS have sold for three seasons on NBC without SPIDER-MAN as the star and headliner? Granted, that was 1982.

Wolverine is the most well known member of the X-Men, or at least the most popular. That was true even in 1998-1999, when X-MEN the movie was being written and was finishing pre-production. From an executive standpoint, making a cartoon that shouts his name from the rooftop and focuses on him often makes business sense to attract kids and mainstream fans.

That said, Wolverine isn't the only well known X-Man, either. Beast is part of the main cast, as is Cyclops. Despite whatever issues the show has with writing or depicting Cyclops, they have done a better job than the films have with him. Hell, the execs even are aware that Colossus has some bit of recognizability, which is why he is on a lot of promotional artwork, even if he does nothing in the series.

Besides, a title is just a title. CAPTAIN PLANET AND THE PLANTEERS, ironically, usually focused more on the Planeteers than Capt. Planet himself, even though he appeared first in the title. He usually was just a dues ex machina in a green mullet, overpowering any threat the Planet Punks couldn't themselves. In SPIDER-MAN AND HIS AMAZING FRIENDS, the show's writers actually did try to not have Spider-Man completely overshadow Iceman and Firestar to the point where they seemed worthless. Despite appearing first in the title, Wolverine has taken a back seat to Nightcrawler or Xavier in at least 3-5 episodes, barely appearing in some of those episodes.

THE REAL GHOSTBUSTERS kept that title even long after they outlasted the Filmation GHOSTBUSTERS series in the 80's. Granted, by the end they took a back seat to Slimer.

Usually, changing the title to a show in mid-run takes more effort here than in Japan.
 
I've seen the first half of season 1 of this series and Wolverine has most definitely earned the right to be leader of The X-Men . Xavier made a wise and bold move in making Logan the leader of the team . The Lone Wolf in this series showed what Wolverine in the 90's animated series started to show in Season 4/5 . Wolverine is not only capable of just saving the teams ass everytime they face impossible odds . He's got the ability to leader the team into battle, and deep down the anti-Hero has a heart (he cares for the group his family)
 
Yes its all purpose Wolverine, this show is to sell the audience on the upcoming movie so don't be surprised. I can't stand it but I deal with it. Wolverine leadership in WATXM is pretty much forced because of the big Wolverine in the title. All the story and character plots in the first half of the season is fixed to keep Wolverine in the top spot. The show is fine, fan favorites X-men get some episodes with Wolverine in them of course and then you get Wolverines never ending search for his past episodes.
 
Okay, I know Wolverine is the most popular X-MEN ever, he's the face that brings in the $ and the girls get excited over so he's stuck at the front and in the title, but if ya' really look around Scott's got a big following, even though he has a big stick up his butt at times, he is still the leader and a cool character.

I hope in time he gets a bigger role and once Wolvie gets everyone back on the team Cyke takes over as leader and then maybe the show can be renamed as Astonishing X-men or something like that.

the studio needs to see who the main man really is and that alot of fans are getting tired of Mr. Wolfman Logan. :yay:

Part of his charm was that he wasn't the leader, but now they stick him everywhere, it is time to pull back on Logan.

It'd be nice also if Marvel Studios would revamp the films since Singer ruined them, and make the first movie with no Wolverine, just the original cast then Wolvie can come along in the 2nd, kinda' like Joker in TDK.

That's the beauty of the X-men. There is no main man needed. They're all (well mos't 'em) interesting characters.
 
Except Iceman and Angel...

I keed. :D
 
Cyclops is supposed to be one of the MU's greatest tacticians, pretty much second only to Captain America. I remember in a recent ish where he & Emma were vacationing in the Savage Land with Ka-zar & Shanna, he was intently watching two male Triceratops fight for herd leadership. Shanna said he seemed overly focused on it and Emma explained "You should see how it looks like from inside his head." and went on to describe how he analyzed both trikes' strengths, weaknesses, environmental factors, and what he himself would do if he were down in the middle of the action.

I wanna see more "strategery" from Cyclops in the future.
 
Forget seeing that. No one can be better than Wolverine at anything in this show. He is the one Xavier clearly cares about than the rest, and the other X-Men are just there to follow where his claw points. No one is allowed to be smarter or more clever than Logan on the team. No one is allowed strategy. Much like how in some pedestrian JLA stories, no one can be smart, cunning, or have common sense other than Batman.

Cyclops is just optic blast man on this show. Hopefully, though, he will optic blast some decent stuff as the story progresses.

And when Logan screws up, he only gets a minor wisecrack from Kitty or Frost.
 
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After years of Cyclops being #1 to this I say . . . so what?

The show is about role reversals, and this only reinforces that. I think the latest trailer for the rest of the series would prove to you that Cyclops has an important role to play Dread.
 
Cyclops is actually one of my favourite X-men and I'm more than happy with how his character has been portrayed. Its after Jean has gone missing so of course this isnt a good time for him to lead a whole team. The cyclops episode we got was brilliant, probably one of my favourite episodes so far!

And I agree they've done a better job with Cyc in this series than they ever did in the movies, urgh!
 
After years of Cyclops being #1 to this I say . . . so what?

The show is about role reversals, and this only reinforces that. I think the latest trailer for the rest of the series would prove to you that Cyclops has an important role to play Dread.

I haven't watched those trailers. From glances at TV.com to some various peeking I already know more than I should about the remaining episodes and I like to be surprised.

By "years of Cyclops being #1" I presume you mean X-MEN EVOLUTION when he was the male lead for at least the first three seasons and much of the 4th from 2000-2003. You have a point there.

I disagree about the role reversal, though. While that was probably the intention at the production phase, that is not what has been depicted. When Logan was being the loner rebel, he was awesome. He was the guy who was rubbing everyone the wrong way, and unapologetic about it. When he thought the leader or mentor figures were being hypocrites, or making a poor decision, or were out of line, he never hesitated to speak his opinion, bluntly and powerfully. When Logan goes on his loner quests, he almost never had to be bailed out by the rest of the X-Men and forced to apologize. In fact, Wolverine usually always settled his loner quests by himself by pluck or sometimes even luck. He would even resent how the mentor would backrub the "teachers pet" while he did what he saw as the dirty work sometimes. Despite being the loner/rebel, Logan always had a mind for tactics and was unashamed to say when he thought a plan was dumb. And even when Logan disagreed with his leader, he would always go to hell and back for the team, even when it seemed hopeless. Mere heartbreak wouldn't stop him.

Have the roles really been reversed? Sure, Logan is the leader now, the one who has to think about what is good for the team, the bigger picture, being selfless and is the one getting the floating head's praises now. But has Cyclops' role as the "loner rebel" really been there? He barely says anything. When he does, it always is to the point to showcase how inefficient and ineffective he is at any strategy or basic leadership tactic. Without the seemingly perfect girlfriend or the floating head mentor, Scott has no reason to fight. Which means he never believed in the cause in the first place, if something so simple could reduce him to what he was at the start of the season. Logan, as shown by episode 17, has lost lovers & mentors, too, and wasn't a hapless wreck for over a year. Scott barely goes on loner quests, and when he does, he has to be bailed out by the X-Men and yelled at for being a selfish jerk. He never questions any command decision Logan makes, even when it it could use some criticism to improve, or is outright flawed. He doesn't resent, for one second, Xavier moving Logan into the role he once held, and showing far more empathy and compassion for Logan's turmoil at times than Chuck ever showed for Scott. It was akin to X3 where Xavier was more than willing to abandon Scott emotionally and attach to Logan as the BMOC, despite Scott being "one of his first students". Scott never gets any "atta boy" wisecracks, because he can't be allowed to one-up Logan in any way. Only Rogue can occasionally do that. His role is to stand in the background and shoot off a single optic blast, maybe two, before being hit by something.

Right now, the formula is this: When Scott is leader and Logan is loner/rebel, Scott is stiff and Logan is awesome. When Logan is leader and Scott is loner/rebel, Logan is awesome and Scott is stiff. If you genuinely think that is a role reversal, then there really is no point in debating.

Wolverine is easy for anyone to like. Even if you never heard of the guy before, or weren't too aware, as I was in 1993, if you write him well, he grows on you, and becomes easy to be a favorite X-Man. The only problem is when that comes at the expense of other characters, and often in this show, Scott and Storm are those expenses. They have to stand back so Logan can be top dog, when he NEVER would stand back for them as much. The show bends over backwards to present situations where Logan is the best X-Man ever in spirit, skill, tactics, and even luck, because when things don't go well at first, they always work out. I like Wolverine, but he is less than interesting when the wind is at his back too much, and some of the other characters are less so when they consistantly have to back down to Logan's aura of awesome. No one, not one soul, who doesn't have pre-existing feelings for Cyclops as a character before the show has any reason to care much for him here. When he isn't being mute, selfish, obsessive, and inefficient, he is moping or a non-entity. Episode 12 was a step in the right direction, but that was five episodes ago, and was marred with an ending that all but had to make clear that Logan is a better man in every possible way than Scott, and that gets boring. What is the use of a "rivalry" if one side is clearly presented by every angle as better in every situation?

In contrast, look at Bishop, 20 years in the future. He's a man of few words, and he doesn't usually question the leader, but he's awesome and efficient. He made an impression on me and I usually can't stand Bishop. He's cool here.

Again, the premise was there, and the intentions were there. It has been the execution that has been spotty. That said, Scott at least hasn't been completely forgotten, and this show is still good, especially considering this is a first season, where errors are expected as the kinks are worked out.

After episode 17, it will be interesting if the seemingly random episode where Logan's "personal war" from the past actually did drag the X-Men into it, if some of these dynamics between the two men come up. I sincerely doubt it. As good and canonical as this show is with subplots, SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN by Greg Wiesman it ain't.

Cyclops is actually one of my favourite X-men and I'm more than happy with how his character has been portrayed. Its after Jean has gone missing so of course this isnt a good time for him to lead a whole team. The cyclops episode we got was brilliant, probably one of my favourite episodes so far!

And I agree they've done a better job with Cyc in this series than they ever did in the movies, urgh!

I did like episode 12, except for the ending, which was one sided.

To play Devil's Advocate, when the X-Men film franchise was in pre-production by the end of the 90's, Marvel was trying to get out of bankruptcy and it was thus an easy and financially logical conclusion to focus on Wolverine, the most popular member by 1999-2000 that almost everyone knew, to get them to come out in droves for an $80-90 million summer blockbuster. Plus, FOX likely had a lot of control over the products, and they knew Wolverine was hot from their cartoon show.

But, yes, WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN has treated Cyclops better than the movies did. Granted, with that kind of comparison, that is akin to saying it is better to have your finger broken than completely severed from your hand. While true, it ain't much of a compliment.
 
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When I 1st heard that Wolverine was going to be the leader on this show I wrote it off as lame because Wolverine isn't leadership material because he can't stay still. He's always off on his personal quests and a leader can't lead if no one knows where he is or what he's doing. Then I heard Cyclops was going to be the team rebel complete with trench coat. Which would make sense since he can't stand Logan and wouldn't just willingly follow him. And Cyclops being my favorite X-man I was looking forward to the show to see Cyclops in a new role.

But wait...this is Wolverine the 2nd coming of Jesus we're talking about. No one can show up Wolverine or prove him wrong because his name comes 1st in the title. So what if he goes off to help Shield. Or take on Weapon X. Or just run around the city with Gambit. Or gets everyone caught up in some mess with the Yakuza. It's ok and no one will ask him where he's been or get mad for being jumped by ninjas and kidnapped. His name is in the title its ok.

But Cyclops is wrong for not being the 1st one on the jet for a mission when the man who was like his father basically discarded him for wolverine without any explanation as to why. Or because he goes off to find his missing wife on his own and he's wrong because they go help him when he didn't ask for it. It's not like any of them care she's gone just because wolverine doesn't seem to care. He's been in love with Jean and trying to steal her from Cyclops for years but we can't have Wolverine look like a homewrecker because he's supposed to be so great so let's just all of a sudden have wolverine forget about Jean. Are you serious? He was all gunho to find the professor and attack Magneto without even knowing what the deal was and everyone was ok with that and didn't try to talk him down. They just blindly follow him. Oh and let's not mention the fact that wolverine being captured lead to the sentinels being able to heal and have claws. I just wish that in season 2 they give Cyclops back the leadership role because Logan is doing a crappy job.
 
About Cyclops in this anime, i really like him and his role even if Logan is the leader
 

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