Were your fears about Wolverine being team leader alleviated?

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When it was revealed that Wolverine was going to be the X-Men's leader in this cartoon, there was a pretty big backlash that I, admittedly, agreed with. It seemed like it was just a cheap way of making him the show's central character without any creative back-up.

However, now that the first season has come and gone, I think that the way it was handled was excellent - it really added an extra dimension to Logan, in my opinion, mainly because he learnt as he went along. He was a terrible leader at first, and slowly came to understand how to handle the responsibility until he had proved himself as a leader by the end.

My only concern is that he's going to remain as team leader without much explanation in Season Two; Cyclops isn't an emotional wreck anymore, after all, and Beast seemed to be a better candidate (or, shock horror, maybe they could give it to Storm and actually develop her!). If they keep him as team leader, a reason is needed beyond the idea that "only Wolverine can stop this future from happening", because that could become redundant quickly.
 
My only concern is that he's going to remain as team leader without much explanation in Season Two; Cyclops isn't an emotional wreck anymore, after all, and Beast seemed to be a better candidate (or, shock horror, maybe they could give it to Storm and actually develop her!). If they keep him as team leader, a reason is needed beyond the idea that "only Wolverine can stop this future from happening", because that could become redundant quickly.

Exactly. what a load of bull, it really would have made more sense to have ANYBODY but logan as the leader.

why????? is it that logan is the only one that can prevent the future? thats completely lame. i didnt feel that his leaddership really grew, it just became less of a "big deal" to the show. they stopped showing, it stopped being a problem.
 
Yes I do think my fears were confirmed with Wolverine being the leader of the X-Men. It didn't work because the writers just went out of their way to make Wolverine look so awesome, when one of the other X-Men could have done it just as easy.
 
Agreed. It was a dumb reason to throw Wolverine in the sPotlight. If anything, it made me like Wolverine less. He's supposed to be an underdog not some infallible demigod.
 
It still doesn't feel right to me. Whenever a character would run up to the X-Men with information about something important and say "I NEED TO TALK TO WOLVERINE!", I would be like "Why him?" Then I would stop to think for a second and be like "Oh, right." It's really just not Wolverine.
 
I didn't really have any fears about it. And generally they went in an interesting direction with all of it.
 
Where my fears about Wolverine being team leader alleviated (least after 26 episodes)?

Quite a question.

To be perfectly honest before what is likely to be a predictable response from those who have followed my posts here, I want to get out right now that if one were to judge the handling of Wolverine as team leader on a scale of 1 (the worst possible) to 10 (completely perfect), to me an answer of "1" would be unfair. That said, I think on such a scale, my answer would be five, at highest. By that I mean that while WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN didn't handle it abysmally, they really didn't rise above many of my expectations in how they handled Wolverine as leader.

They really did nothing to sell us on WHY Logan was the man who had to be the leader beyond sheer plot contrivance. Future Xavier was still spoon-feeding him the major orders or stroking his mental ego, serving as the figurehead in a vague way. While Cyclops was clearly incapable, there was no good answer given as to why Storm or Beast were not inclined, and why they played little role in keeping the team together after Wolverine got the ball rolling. Hank did act as a bit of counsel for the first maybe 3-4 episodes, but once the team was at about five members or so, he took more of a back seat, which was actually a bit of a shame. Wolverine made no major decision that he didn't either get from Xavier or counsel with Xavier for. If anything, he made quite a few mistakes that made situations in 2028 harder for Xavier and his own team, but Logan never had to suffer the consequences of them, nor did anyone bring them up, ever. It was by pure plot obligation that Wolverine was the leader. Beast LITERALLY never left the mansion grounds; the only reason he wasn't allowed to do what Logan did in Hindsight was popularity. Had Future Xavier not been used as the crutch that he was, Logan could have displayed more unique gumption. It isn't his fault that Kyle, Johnson & Co. didn't commit fully.

As field leader, though, Wolverine acted as much as I expected they would have him act. He lost much of his cool "edge" to become more of a gruff den mother, which is itself a cliche. Logan occasionally made tactical errors in judgment, but suffered no consequences, nor was ever made to answer for them. He had a past that occasionally riled it's head to bite the team in the bite, especially with ninja, but again, none of the other X-Men seemed to mind. Beyond an occasional wisecrack from Frost or Shadowcat about such things, none of the X-Men seemed to mind Logan's stumbles as leader. One would have imagined Cyclops of all people rubbing the wrong way against Logan, but he spent many of his episodes in quiet sulking, virtually never standing up for himself. Wolverine was the alpha dog.

When it counted, though, there was no threat that a good claw stab couldn't beat anyway. Who needs a computer virus when a console stab works twice as well?

Wolverine didn't make too many major mistakes, though. He goofed on beating Master Mold in the cradle and getting captured, but Master Mold was really a secondary menace to Phoenix anyway. Aside for that, he really didn't make any errors that couldn't be corrected or waxed away.

Overall, though, Wolverine was what you would expect from any cartoon show leader; rather than be stiff and stoic, he was mildly gruff and stoic. He was the best fighter out of all of them. Xavier clearly loved him more than the others, betting on him as the top horse despite even Logan's objections. Wolverine is the most loyal, the one with the most heart, the one who never gives up, never puts himself before the team, never is petty or selfish, never rubs anyone the wrong way. Basically, the Thing, only without half the personality. Even in the future, he was the critical point of victory.

Imagine if you had a Fantastic Four cartoon where by some story reason, Reed was no longer the leader and Ben Grimm was. Only, well, Ben never says, "It's Clobbering Time!", he never hits first, he never plays a prank on Johnny, he manages to work all the equipment just fine, he doesn't overeat or so on. His inability to understand large words or impatience with lengthy explanations is never a problem or a foible. Basically, he is only the Thing in power and image. That's close to what I think Wolverine was in a lot of this show.

If you like Wolverine for being awesome at everything and everyone, it was wonderful. If you like Wolverine for his character foibles and dared like some other X-Men besides him, it was hit or miss at best.

WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN really didn't rise above too many of my expectations at the onset. And that really is a shame.
 
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No they weren't alleviated. I got exactly what I expected. The show should have been called Wolverine and Them cause the others didn't really matter except when it came to their solo episodes away from the main storyline. In the main storyline they were usually just a distraction while Wolverine found the right moment to save the day with his claws of justice. Since when did the X-Men become a backup band?
 
My take is pretty much similar to a lot of what's been mentioned. Wolverine as leader isn't a dealbreaker that would make me not tune in, but it's not as if the execution made me rethink the decision as a masterful stroke of genius. It takes away some of what I recognize Wolverine to be. He's just not a leader. He's helpful, useful, needed, at times, even inspiring, but the overall leader? ...of the X-Men? Eh.

Having it stem almost out of neccesity as the series began encouraged me to have some patience with the idea. As the eps continue to roll in (I'm still in the middle of season one), it becomes more of "OK, so when's this experiment over?". If the team was limited to Rogue, Kitty, Bobby, Emma and Emo-Cyke, it'd be one thing. However, Beast and Storm are running around for cripes sake.

The dynamic just doesn't strongly resonate to me. What they've done with it is about as good of a job as I imagine as could be done, but I just don't care for the selection. It struck me as continued Wolverine overexposure, done simply to capitalize on/push his popularity, from the start. Doesn't seem as anything different now.
 
Trust me the experiment won't end since we have another season to look forward to of this show. I understand we had 2 other x-men shows before this one and they wanted to try something new. X-Men Evolution made most of the cast teenagers in highschool. And that worked because the x-men started off as a bunch of teens in the comics and its target audience could relate to the characters with growing up in school and such (I was still in highschool when the show aired and consider this the best x-men series). So to shake things up again they wanted to follow the save the world from winding up like the future timeline storyline. Which is good but then we get Wolverine as the leader with the only reason seeming because he had a solo movie coming out around the time it would air in America. For a team show to work everyone on the team has to fit in a role. Cliche? Yes but it makes for good flow in the team and the series. The leader has to be in charge, the comedy relief has to be funny etc etc. While I hate Wolverine I admit he has good qualities being a good fighter and brave and such. But he's not leadership material and he showed why repeatedly in the series. He can't keep still. He left on his solo missions without telling anyone whenever he felt. He didn't own up to his mistakes. How is it ok for him to leave the team but not ok for Cyclops? You have to lead by example. The leader has to be inspiring and decisive. All he did was follow Xavier's orders. Anyone could have done that. They tried to push Wolverine as the leader while at the same time make him do unleader like moves.
 
For me Wolverine being the leader was not a problem, he's led missions before in the comics so i didn't see what the big deal was. At the time Xavier appointed a leader Storm was not a member of the team so it couldn't have been her. Beast is far too passive to be a leader he has zero leadership skills. He's too much of a softie. If i was Xavier and i was given a choice to appoint Beast or Wolverine, I'd pick Wolverine everytime. Cyclops needs some sort of female companionship to be a good leader. Just look at his history. And given that Jean had dissapeared he was in no fit state to lead the team. If he would have appeared all together at the beginning then that would completely trivialise his relationship with Jean. He had to still be in the mourning period for us to truly understand the profound impact and depth of relationship he had with Jean.

My only problem was, that Wolverine took up too much screentime and alot of the other characters suffered. Particularly Storm. Out of 26 episodes she had two good features and that was in Overflow and Guardian Angel. Pretty sad really.
 
For me Wolverine being the leader was not a problem, he's led missions before in the comics so i didn't see what the big deal was. At the time Xavier appointed a leader Storm was not a member of the team so it couldn't have been her. Beast is far too passive to be a leader he has zero leadership skills. He's too much of a softie. If i was Xavier and i was given a choice to appoint Beast or Wolverine, I'd pick Wolverine everytime. Cyclops needs some sort of female companionship to be a good leader. Just look at his history. And given that Jean had dissapeared he was in no fit state to lead the team. If he would have appeared all together at the beginning then that would completely trivialise his relationship with Jean. He had to still be in the mourning period for us to truly understand the profound impact and depth of relationship he had with Jean.

My only problem was, that Wolverine took up too much screentime and alot of the other characters suffered. Particularly Storm. Out of 26 episodes she had two good features and that was in Overflow and Guardian Angel. Pretty sad really.

Its more than just leading missions. He was left in charge of everything. From making sure the team trained to making sure the bills got paid. Wolverine ain't that kind of person.
 
Before I saw this series, I thought Wolverine being the leader was a stupid idea. After watching the first season, I still think Wolverine being the leader is a stupid idea. The only good thing that has come out of making Wolverine the leader and focus of this show, is that the other X-Men were actually written in a manner that made them much more cooler and likable then Wolverine.
 
Trust me the experiment won't end since we have another season to look forward to of this show. I understand we had 2 other x-men shows before this one and they wanted to try something new. X-Men Evolution made most of the cast teenagers in highschool. And that worked because the x-men started off as a bunch of teens in the comics and its target audience could relate to the characters with growing up in school and such (I was still in highschool when the show aired and consider this the best x-men series). So to shake things up again they wanted to follow the save the world from winding up like the future timeline storyline. Which is good but then we get Wolverine as the leader with the only reason seeming because he had a solo movie coming out around the time it would air in America. For a team show to work everyone on the team has to fit in a role. Cliche? Yes but it makes for good flow in the team and the series. The leader has to be in charge, the comedy relief has to be funny etc etc. While I hate Wolverine I admit he has good qualities being a good fighter and brave and such. But he's not leadership material and he showed why repeatedly in the series. He can't keep still. He left on his solo missions without telling anyone whenever he felt. He didn't own up to his mistakes. How is it ok for him to leave the team but not ok for Cyclops? You have to lead by example. The leader has to be inspiring and decisive. All he did was follow Xavier's orders. Anyone could have done that. They tried to push Wolverine as the leader while at the same time make him do unleader like moves.

I didn't mind EVOLUTION's high school focus, either. The Uncanny X-Men in 1963 did start out as teenagers. And at least whatever compromises happened to spare us a teenage Wolverine, that Kid WB likely wanted. *Shudder* Kid's WB was all about teenage leads, but EVOLUTION was fine. It was a different kind of show, though. It focused more on character relationships than storyline or action, and did take a while to find it's footing.

I agree that they did approach hypocrisy with some of the Logan/Scott stuff. Wolverine's leadership wasn't shown as it should have been because Xavier was still kept there as overall command and Basil Exposition. It's that simple. In an intro for the series in HULK VS., Kyle & Johnson essentially claimed that they wanted to get rid of Xavier, but not kill him outright. Instead the "middle ground" they chose kind of defeated some of their purpose with Logan as leader. Yes, any X-Man would have simply followed Xavier's orders. Beast was the only one still at the mansion; one of the founding five and usually level headed. Why he wasn't tapped was out of sheer WWE style popularity. Granted, he did act as "second in command" for a few episodes to Logan, and that worked. It just ended too soon.

For me Wolverine being the leader was not a problem, he's led missions before in the comics so i didn't see what the big deal was. At the time Xavier appointed a leader Storm was not a member of the team so it couldn't have been her. Beast is far too passive to be a leader he has zero leadership skills. He's too much of a softie. If i was Xavier and i was given a choice to appoint Beast or Wolverine, I'd pick Wolverine everytime. Cyclops needs some sort of female companionship to be a good leader. Just look at his history. And given that Jean had dissapeared he was in no fit state to lead the team. If he would have appeared all together at the beginning then that would completely trivialise his relationship with Jean. He had to still be in the mourning period for us to truly understand the profound impact and depth of relationship he had with Jean.

My only problem was, that Wolverine took up too much screentime and alot of the other characters suffered. Particularly Storm. Out of 26 episodes she had two good features and that was in Overflow and Guardian Angel. Pretty sad really.

Beast is level headed; Wolverine isn't. In some of his actual leadership, Logan did end up making errors in judgment or tactics; the problem was that said errors never were brought up or had any impact on the series, so it was meaningless.

I agree, Storm was wasted. Storm wasn't a whole lot better in EVOLUTION. She's a hard character to get a handle on. She was better here and in Evolution than in the 90's series, where she spouted atrociously melodramatic blather. But that isn't saying much. Considering she is supposedly the "real" natural X-Men leader in many past stories, filling in for stretches without Cyclops, some fans could consider it a missed opportunity that such a thing wasn't looked at more here. And the irony is Logan usually got along better under Storm's leadership than he usually did with Cyclops. He respected her more, and wasn't a rival with her over a woman.

I have a few problems with your reasoning about Cyclops, at least in terms of this series. My problem with how they handled him is that it was hard to really "see" what kind of a relationship he had with Jean from what was presented. The obvious block was that Jean wasn't a character; she was a Maguffin. She spent 3/4ths of the series off camera, and then another episode atop that with amnesia. During the 3 part finale half her lines were screams. Which was a shame because Jennifer Hale I thought did a good job despite usually having little to really play with. But my point is that you couldn't really understand that relationship from her perspective at all, because she was more of a plot point or a goal than a character, like Princess Toadstool. What did she gain from loving Cyclops? Why did she care for him? What did he do for her? Did they ever do anything together beyond pose for pictures and fight bad guys?

That means the only way you can understand that relationship is through Cyclops' eyes, and boy, that was usually a doozy. The subplot of the series and especially Episode 20 painted Cyclops as the poster child for needy, pathetic esteem lacking men. His love for Jean took place almost exclusively because she filled a gap that he couldn't fill in himself. She had to literally lead him by the optic blast to do anything remotely competent when it counted; before that, Beast, Angel, and Iceman would routinely best him in the Danger Room. When Logan shows up, for the first time that "relationship" is tested, and he handled it like a petty spoiled brat, with dishonor to boot. It is hard to see what if anything Jean saw in him. When he doesn't get his way around the Mansion, he sulks alone and is perfectly willing to either abandon the team in battle or not to back them up at all without arm-tugging, regardless of whether they are "friends" or not. Furthermore, at no point in 26 episodes of WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN was even the slightest hint implied that Cyclops was in any way a leader. The only mention is when Kitty chews him out for lack of motivation, which has nothing to do with competence; Forge was always motivated, but he was incompetant. Cyclops had some 3-4 focus episodes and not at any point was any distinct mention of how he was as an X-Man before Logan or even during was really mentioned. From what the show chose to show us, my conclusion was that Scott here was a Never Was, a teacher's pet handed all the keys in the universe but failing to open the door. It wasn't that Wolverine was filling Scott's seat; he was filling a seat that Scott could never sit in. I certainly wasn't alone in this presumption from what was presented. If that wasn't the writers' intentions, then stuff needed to be rewritten.

My problem wasn't that Cyclops' faults were displayed. My problem was they were magnified as literally being his entire character. He had literally no positive qualities. In the comics, yes, he has always in some way or another been attached to a woman, whether Jean Grey or Maddie Pryor to Emma Frost, with even Colleen Wing briefly in-between (with Psylocke pining for him). But he had that good quality of being efficient. He could even be a jerk, but he was efficient in battle; occasionally capable of taking down the rest of the X-Men if he had to (such as one story where Mastermind tricked the X-Men into thinking Scott was a reborn Dark Phoenix). He believed in the cause, could occasionally be sensitive or understanding, and was a sort of surrogate son to Xavier. Cyke in WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN was all the flaws with none of the positive traits (and Logan took his place in terms of the "surrogate son" part, but Wolverine seems to do that; take plot traits from other characters into his own gestalt). It would be akin to a series where all Wolverine did was flirt with women or get into fights at bars, without any of his positive traits like loyalty, even honor or battle hardened senses.

Wolverine was a jobber in most of EVOLUTION, and that sucked, too. Can't we have a balance between jobber and Goku?

Before I saw this series, I thought Wolverine being the leader was a stupid idea. After watching the first season, I still think Wolverine being the leader is a stupid idea. The only good thing that has come out of making Wolverine the leader and focus of this show, is that the other X-Men were actually written in a manner that made them much more cooler and likable then Wolverine.

Even Cyclops? I'm just curious as to others' perspective from what the show displayed about him. Because as someone who has ended up liking Cyclops more in the last 8-9 years, I thought he came off as quite unsympathetic in this series, even if you could understand why he was so to a degree.

But, yeah, Nightcrawler was awesome.
 
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I have a few problems with your reasoning about Cyclops, at least in terms of this series. My problem with how they handled him is that it was hard to really "see" what kind of a relationship he had with Jean from what was presented. The obvious block was that Jean wasn't a character; she was a Maguffin. She spent 3/4ths of the series off camera, and then another episode atop that with amnesia. During the 3 part finale half her lines were screams. Which was a shame because Jennifer Hale I thought did a good job despite usually having little to really play with. But my point is that you couldn't really understand that relationship from her perspective at all, because she was more of a plot point or a goal than a character, like Princess Toadstool. What did she gain from loving Cyclops? Why did she care for him? What did he do for her? Did they ever do anything together beyond pose for pictures and fight bad guys?

That means the only way you can understand that relationship is through Cyclops' eyes, and boy, that was usually a doozy. The subplot of the series and especially Episode 20 painted Cyclops as the poster child for needy, pathetic esteem lacking men. His love for Jean took place almost exclusively because she filled a gap that he couldn't fill in himself. She had to literally lead him by the optic blast to do anything remotely competent when it counted; before that, Beast, Angel, and Iceman would routinely best him in the Danger Room. When Logan shows up, for the first time that "relationship" is tested, and he handled it like a petty spoiled brat, with dishonor to boot. It is hard to see what if anything Jean saw in him. When he doesn't get his way around the Mansion, he sulks alone and is perfectly willing to either abandon the team in battle or not to back them up at all without arm-tugging, regardless of whether they are "friends" or not. Furthermore, at no point in 26 episodes of WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN was even the slightest hint implied that Cyclops was in any way a leader. The only mention is when Kitty chews him out for lack of motivation, which has nothing to do with competence; Forge was always motivated, but he was incompetant. Cyclops had some 3-4 focus episodes and not at any point was any distinct mention of how he was as an X-Man before Logan or even during was really mentioned. From what the show chose to show us, my conclusion was that Scott here was a Never Was, a teacher's pet handed all the keys in the universe but failing to open the door. It wasn't that Wolverine was filling Scott's seat; he was filling a seat that Scott could never sit in. I certainly wasn't alone in this presumption from what was presented. If that wasn't the writers' intentions, then stuff needed to be rewritten.

My problem wasn't that Cyclops' faults were displayed. My problem was they were magnified as literally being his entire character. He had literally no positive qualities. In the comics, yes, he has always in some way or another been attached to a woman, whether Jean Grey or Maddie Pryor to Emma Frost, with even Colleen Wing briefly in-between (with Psylocke pining for him). But he had that good quality of being efficient. He could even be a jerk, but he was efficient in battle; occasionally capable of taking down the rest of the X-Men if he had to (such as one story where Mastermind tricked the X-Men into thinking Scott was a reborn Dark Phoenix). He believed in the cause, could occasionally be sensitive or understanding, and was a sort of surrogate son to Xavier. Cyke in WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN was all the flaws with none of the positive traits (and Logan took his place in terms of the "surrogate son" part, but Wolverine seems to do that; take plot traits from other characters into his own gestalt). It would be akin to a series where all Wolverine did was flirt with women or get into fights at bars, without any of his positive traits like loyalty, even honor or battle hardened senses.

Even Cyclops? I'm just curious as to others' perspective from what the show displayed about him. Because as someone who has ended up liking Cyclops more in the last 8-9 years, I thought he came off as quite unsympathetic in this series, even if you could understand why he was so to a degree.
This seems to be a recurring problem - Cyclops gets torn down as a character as a side effect of Wolverine being built up to be better than the rest. Sad, really.
 
I disagree. In Evolution, they got the balance just right. Wolverrine was given just as much time to shine as everyone else and the other x-men jobbed for him just as much as he jobbed for them. i.e the X-23 episode and countless others. The balance was perfect. I never got the feeling while watching evolution that any character had more significance or imporatance than the other. They cared for each of their characters equally and fairly. That was so not the case in WAX which is what irritated me the most about this show. They didn't care for Storm, IceMan and co. The only character they portrayed better in any of the other x-men cartoons was Angel. And the soul saviour of this entire show was Emma Frost.

Like i said before, it didn't bother me who leads the team. I think they justified those reasons very well. Having saw the state Cyclops was in and no sign of Storm , somebody had to lead so it had to be Logan. It could never be Beast. I just can't see it! NOT EVER! Like i said he's too passive.

My only thing was like i mentioned b4 was too much wolverine. I mean who really cared about Wolverine vs Hulk, Code Of Conduct and Past Discretions? Certainly not me. Wasted episodes that could have gone to Iceman, Kitty, Forge, Storm and co. Ahhh
 
This seems to be a recurring problem - Cyclops gets torn down as a character as a side effect of Wolverine being built up to be better than the rest. Sad, really.

Sadly, Cyclops isn't the only character who has to step back for Logan to advance. Storm was barely a character in this season. Normally Rogue and Nightcrawler are the X-Men with personal history connections to Mystique; Wolverine essentially took that from them (albeit in a decently written episode; call it a poor idea executed well), just as he took Scott's role as "Xavier's prize student/surrogate son" from him. Beast has done less in 26 episodes here than he has in his last two X-Men cartoon appearances. It just seems that Cyclops has to be constructed as being nothing more than his worse character traits to "settle" the rivalry before it begins.

What amazes me is how Wolverine is considered the ultimate and best X-Men character of all time, yet so often this is done by stripping away the plot points of other characters. I used to like Wolverine for the stuff he brought to the table on his own, but I guess my time is over.

I disagree. In Evolution, they got the balance just right. Wolverrine was given just as much time to shine as everyone else and the other x-men jobbed for him just as much as he jobbed for them. i.e the X-23 episode and countless others. The balance was perfect. I never got the feeling while watching evolution that any character had more significance or imporatance than the other. They cared for each of their characters equally and fairly. That was so not the case in WAX which is what irritated me the most about this show. They didn't care for Storm, IceMan and co. The only character they portrayed better in any of the other x-men cartoons was Angel. And the soul saviour of this entire show was Emma Frost.

Like i said before, it didn't bother me who leads the team. I think they justified those reasons very well. Having saw the state Cyclops was in and no sign of Storm , somebody had to lead so it had to be Logan. It could never be Beast. I just can't see it! NOT EVER! Like i said he's too passive.

My only thing was like i mentioned b4 was too much wolverine. I mean who really cared about Wolverine vs Hulk, Code Of Conduct and Past Discretions? Certainly not me. Wasted episodes that could have gone to Iceman, Kitty, Forge, Storm and co. Ahhh

To play Devil's Advocate, I wouldn't say that other characters jobbed for Logan "countless" times in X-MEN EVOLUTION. In "X-23", yes, X-23 got to effortlessly take out the entire X-Men (even Rogue, who was almost overpowered in Evolution, which I usually forgave because she was written well), but she also kicked the stuffing out of Logan for quite a while until the last few minutes. Logan even jobbed for her in Season 4. Colossus jobbed to Wolverine in "Mainstream", but at least that had a partial explanation; his heart wasn't into the fight. And of course there was the series finale, when Wolverine and especially Rogue saved the world and defeated Apocalypse almost single handedly, while Cyclops and Nightcrawler were defeated off camera.

Aside for that, though, you had Blob falling on Wolverine, Wolverine losing to Kitty Pryde's shin-kick, jobbing to X-23, and also being the Piccolo of the series; getting thrashed to show how tough an enemy was, such as Juggernaut or Sentinel. The fact that he was played by Scott McNeil, the original English dubbed actor who played Piccolo in DBZ was not lost on me.

Half the reason I brought it up is because defenders of WATXM usually bring up how Logan jobbed a lot in EVOLUTION and see this as payback, but I just think in WATXM's case it was overkill. As you said, there were moments when Wolverine shined, where others did job for him in Evolution. The characters were all stronger in Evolution. In WATXM, the focus was on the plot and any character who wasn't Wolverine had to make due with 1-3 focus episodes before being ignored for scenery. One doesn't have to rely on focus episodes if you flesh a character decently throughout.

While I admit to some fondness for "Code of Conduct" for getting Silver Samurai right, a villain I happen to like, it was a shame the X-Men had to job to Logan. "Wolverine vs. The Hulk" was useless because the DTV was already out and, despite what Kyle claimed, wasn't connected continuity wise well to it. It seems that sometimes Kyle lives in another reality with describing this show sometimes. And while I did like more of a look at Weapon X beyond one token episodes, I do agree with some people who would rather one very good episode vs. one mediocre one and one good one. Iceman, Forge, and Beast could have used the airtime.

Is this Beast too passive to lead the X-Men? We know little about him. The truth is if he was popular and the writers wanted to, he would have. Is Logan supposed to be level headed? Patiently tempered? Selfless at most times? Anything Logan had to be, whether charming or even lucky, he was in this show. Considering Fred Tatasciore is tight with Craig Kyle (he's been cast in nearly every animated project Kyle's worked on for the last three years) and is a good actor, I was frankly surprised he had so little to do after the first few episodes. One would think Kyle would have a ball writing or co-writing a Beast-themed episode playing to Fred's strengths as an actor.

As an embittered Mets fan, though, "wait 'till next season" sounds just as futile whether you're discussing sports or TV shows. One should really get it right as soon as possible. SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN and TMNT proved that show really can be expected to be good right at the start, instead of needing over 25 bloody episodes to be above average.

Frost really was the highlight of the episode. Sadly, any method to revive her and to try to pair her with Cyclops will have to be contrived and make Scott look even more like a cad than normal.

Batman in BATMAN: BRAVE AND THE BOLD is probably more willing to step back to develop a character more than Wolverine in WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN usually was. :eek:
 
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I felt that mine were.

Going in I was a little worried but I thought it worked for what they were doing in season 1.

I'm interested to see what happens in season 2. Maybe Cyclops will start to become the leader again as the season progresses.
 
They still force us to believe that Wolverine is a fit leader. That goes against everything the character is. He was always known to be the rebel but reliable, someone who is a total opposite of Scott. In this series, they made him somewhat *gasp* responsible. I'm not saying he is irresponsible but this is NOT Wolverine in the comics. If they could just cater another X-Series without having Wolverine to be the central it would've been still a good series. Because seriously, it also didn't suddenly become Batman and the Justice League and we all know that series is a success.

I really don't get why Marvel have to shove it in our throats. I don't care about Cyclops but damn him not being a leader is butchering his character. Yes, I understand that he is an emotional wreck with Jean, but even during the whole Dark Phoenix saga, he has always been a leader. They completely overturned every damn character in the comics to fit everything into catering to Wolverine's overexposure.

The whole season was a mess for me, Wolverine is still not fit to become a leader especially when Scott or Ororo is actually around to take the position. It's just so out of character especially for Logan.

If this series was just X-Men, we could actually expect character development and not some big excuse to overexpose Wolverine and Emma Frost (from the way Marvel shoves her in our throats, you'd think she's the biggest X-Female out there when in truth she could never ever compete to the original X-Women no matter how they push them in the background).
 
Maybe they will bring Xavier back, and have wolverine as field leader or something like that. Or perhaps they could just forget having him leader but still have the show focus on his character, after all its not called 'wolverine -leader of the x men'.

I hope after season 2 they will change it back to X men, and gradually lose the Wolverine focus. Of course that's assuming they continue with the show past season 2. I hope they do, because if they cancel this show (especially after only 2 seasons) I don't think we will see another X men show for a while. I'd rather run with this show for a couple years than have it cancelled and have to wait another 3-5 years (if not more) for another show, perhaps with an even worse angle than Wolverine as leader.
 
I too hope they drop the Wolverine from the title and shift the focus from time to time on different X-Men, the mythos is too vast to be Wolvie-centered all the time, plus it'd probably get old... I like the series so far, but still at odds with the title...

Thinking on it I forgot exactly why Wolverine was the leader again (been a while since I watched WATXM)... can anyone sum that up for me?
 
Thinking on it I forgot exactly why Wolverine was the leader again (been a while since I watched WATXM)... can anyone sum that up for me?

An explosion at the X-Mansion blasted Xavier into a coma and made Jean vanish for a year. In this year the X-Men dissolved; Cyclops was an emotional mess, Storm returned to Africa, Colossus returned to Russia, Iceman and Shadowcat returned to their parents, Nightcrawler decided to protect mutants often using seedy boaters to travel to Genosha, among others. Wolverine hit the open road. Beast remained in what was left of the underground lab on the Xavier estate but for popularity reasons never re-organized the X-Men or tried to hold them together. Wolverine was motivated into reforming the X-Men when a family he was with was arrested for harboring him by MRD agents and he saw the prison that mutants were gathered in, as well as the harsh interrogation techniques of Gen. Wraith. Logan escapes, liberates the facility with Beast's aid, and decides the X-Men need to return. Wolverine successfully re-recruits Shadowcat and Iceman, but fails to convince Rogue to return. Angel agrees to at least fund the mansion's re-construction. Emma Frost convinces Logan to allow her to assist in finding Xavier, which also lures Cyclops back. They find him on Genosha and after a token fight with Magneto the X-Men are back. While any X-Man could lead the team with Future Xavier's telepathic intelligence for major orders and esteem rubbing, apparently Wolverine was the only one of them with the drive and story contrivances to rebuild the team without him, unlike Storm or Beast (who were not emotionally shattered like Cyclops).
 
I just think it's weird that they never really explained WHY Wolverine was the leader? OK sure Cyclops wasn't fit at the time because he was still not over losing Jean but why wasn't Storm 2nd in command then?
 
It wasn't stated why Storm didn't take over as leadership. She simply returned to Africa to do her good works there, and was ultimately targeted by the Shadow King (although, unfortunately for Shadow King, by the time he made his move, the X-Men had already reformed). It was a bit of a puzzle for Storm fans. Especially considering Storm was supposedly "friendly" with Angel and he still was in New York. According to Season 1, after a year and despite Beast remaining on the Mansion grounds (or under it's rubble), Logan was the only one with the drive to try to reorganize them.

Although, of course, revelations at the end of the season sort of suggest that Emma Frost was more quietly responsible for that than it seemed. Logan would not have found Xavier without her, nor would they have saved Storm from Shadow King.
 
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