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[Human Torch]

Nope, just a more mature version, like the comics of today. It's not a kids show. Spider-Man 1 had darker moments than this show like MJ being about to get raped and the final fight.

They got the characterisation right in this. Ultimate failed.

Neither show really failed at what they were trying to achieve.MTV tried to go dark,Ultimate is a kiddie aimed show.Both did what they set out to do,but Ultimate is ultimately t: more in line with the tone of Spider-Man than MTV was.

 

[Human Torch]

At least the MTV series didn't turn Spider-Man into a joke. I can't get through one single episode of Ultimate Spider-Man without skipping through it.



It was supposed to be a loose continuation of Raimi's SM1, and was never supposed to capture the same tone of it.

How could it be a continuation and not be expected to have the same tone?

 

[Picard Sisko]

Please re-read what I wrote: "It was supposed to be a loose continuation of Raimi's SM1."

In other words, it builds off of the events of the first Spider-Man film, but it doesn't necessarily take place within the same universe.

 

[Human Torch]

Please re-read what I wrote: "It was supposed to be a loose continuation of Raimi's SM1."

In other words, it builds off of the events of the first Spider-Man film, but it doesn't necessarily take place within the same universe.

So..what the heck does that mean?It's on a parallel world where they continue the story after SM the movie and have a completely different tone?

 

[Spooderman]

Yep. Kind of like MC2

Neither show really failed at what they were trying to achieve.MTV tried to go dark,Ultimate is a kiddie aimed show.Both did what they set out to do,but Ultimate is ultimately t: more in line with the tone of Spider-Man than MTV was.

And it's still worse than MTV Spider-man

 

[Picard Sisko]

So..what the heck does that mean?It's on a parallel world where they continue the story after SM the movie and have a completely different tone?

Oh I'm done trying to explain. Anyone else want to cover for me?

 

[TheLemsterPju]

Yep. Kind of like MC2



And it's still worse than MTV Spider-man

That's your opinion though.

So far I haven't seen any legitimate arguments to back up why Ultimate is the worst other than personal beliefs and overzealous bigotry.

From what I understand you want to believe this show is the worst and you're willing to put every other Spider-Man show ahead of it, ignoring each of their faults and focusing more on the faults of Ultimate and forcing your opinion down everyone's throat.

I've seen this happen 90% of the time with the criticisms for Ultimate. It's getting bloody annoying at this point.

 

[Human Torch]

That's your opinion though.

So far I haven't seen any legitimate arguments to back up why Ultimate is the worst other than personal beliefs and overzealous bigotry.

From what I understand you want to believe this show is the worst and you're willing to put every other Spider-Man show ahead of it, ignoring each of their faults and focusing more on the faults of Ultimate and forcing your opinion down everyone's throat.

I've seen this happen 90% of the time with the criticisms for Ultimate. It's getting bloody annoying at this point.

Absou-freakin'-lutly.

 

[Human Torch]

Oh I'm done trying to explain. Anyone else want to cover for me?

Either it's in the same continuity,or it's not.This shouldn't be hard to understand.The tone was all wrong to be in continuity with the Raimi films.

 

[Spooderman]

From what I understand you want to believe this show is the worst and you're willing to put every other Spider-Man show ahead of it, ignoring each of their faults and focusing more on the faults of Ultimate and forcing your opinion down everyone's throat.

I'm not saying the other Spider-Man cartoons didn't have faults, and I'm not ignoring them. However, Ultimate Spider-Man has a lot more things wrong with it.

And, yeah, I'm going to shove it down your throat because as long as this POS exists, we won't be able to get a good Spider-Man, Avengers, X-Men, or Fantastic 4 cartoon.

If you like juvenile humor, that's fine. There are plenty of sucky shows you can watch. But when an entire franchise is being trashed, then I have a problem.

Either it's in the same continuity,or it's not.This shouldn't be hard to understand.The tone was all wrong to be in continuity with the Raimi films.

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[Human Torch]

So the MTV crap was from a parallel Earth.I figured as much.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Sat through this show again, and I gotta say, this show finale is the closest thing we actually got to an adaption of the Death of Gwen Stacy story, closer than the first movie, and closer than the 90s cartoon episode with the Time Dilation Accelerateor and the Bridge from the episode Turning Point

 

[Picard Sisko]

Either it's in the same continuity,or it's not.This shouldn't be hard to understand.The tone was all wrong to be in continuity with the Raimi films.

You really missed my point big time. The MTV series built off of the continuity of the Raimi films, but it was still it's own universe. For instance, in this series starts off in it's own timeline where Norman had already been Green Goblin, Peter and MJ both graduated high school, Spider-Man has organic webbing, etc. It didn't need to have the same tone as it was a very loose sequel to SM1.

 

[Spidey_62]

Found this thread again, bit of history in here at the beginning of it. I wonder what that Hobgoblin project was that animator did was for if it was for a Sony Spider-Man cartoon. I found the page with that stuff archived. There's a couple of images of a Hobgoblin model and an animation test, notably with the cel shaded 3D look of this series. https://web.archive.org/web/20060513152938/http://www.splinegod.com/spiderman.htm

I was watching this show again because it had its 15th anniversary recently. I kinda forgot how much of a guilty pleasure it was for me and found myself appreciating it more for what it was.

It's such an oddity in the canon of Spidey cartoons because it's supposed to be in the same continuity of Sam Raimi's first Spider-Man movie because that was huge the year prior, and it often doesn't really fit but that adds to the appeal for me because it operates as it's own weird quasi-sequel.

It had little restrictions in terms of violence, language, sex talk, alcohol- and I don't think they were gratuitous with it, either. But when they do include things those kinds of things it's interesting because I don't see another Spider-Man animated series like this happening ever again that's geared towards a teen audience/adults. It's such a snapshot of the early 2000s- early CGI animation with techno/club/trance sountrack, edgy and on MTV, locked between SM1 & SM2 but doesn't really fit at all...

It has to be said though that Neil Patrick Harris was great as Spidey, and one of the only actors besides Paul Soles to really give a great distinction between Peter and Spidey's voices where I can feel like they could be two different people. Spidey himself looked great in this series, with really exaggerated and graceful movements that really benefited from the 3D animation. While the cel-shaded CGI animation is spotty at times with the normal humans, for the most part when Spidey is on screen or when it's neon-lit at night in New York it looks gorgeous and really unique.

End of the day watching it again I do wish we would have gotten that long-gestating in the rumor mill second season, because that cliffhanger bummed me out when I was younger watching it and seeing Peter give up. Now we all know he wouldn't have given up permanently but things looked pretty grim for everybody at the end and that's just no fun. The show's director Brandon Vietti said he pitched a Mysterio story for the 2nd season and I wonder if that could have been the episode to bring Spidey out of his retirement, would have been cool to see more comic villains in a 2nd season. Would have only gotten more interesting from there I'm sure, but at least we'll always have this one weird very 2003 season.

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Right now we have a fine Disney Spidey cartoon running on Disney XD and that's as apt of a description as you could use to define it, too: "fine." It's just so bland and safe to me, both with writing and animation. I can watch it and enjoy it and it's fine.

 

[Herofan]

I thought the animation style was pretty fun, especially the sense of video game fantasy in the action and environments, but it felt a little too disingenuous that Spider-Man had the costume from the film but otherwise wasn't much like that version and I didn't like most of Harris's delivery.

Also weird and annoying that Harry was blonde, as if the animators couldn't be bothered to make two different-looking brown-haired characters.

I think "Law of the Jungle" was the best episode, pretty good design for the Lizard.

 

[Spidey_62]

I thought the animation style was pretty fun, especially the sense of video game fantasy in the action and environments, but it felt a little too disingenuous that Spider-Man had the costume from the film but otherwise wasn't much like that version and I didn't like most of Harris's delivery.

Also weird and annoying that Harry was blonde, as if the animators couldn't be bothered to make two different-looking brown-haired characters.

I think "Law of the Jungle" was the best episode, pretty good design for the Lizard.

I agree that Law of the Jungle is the best episode. It's a solid, dark and atmospheric story that builds and builds to a tragic climax. It used to bother me when I was younger that the Lizard died but now I don't care, I think it worked for the story and the show they were making. It was surprising because we're always used to Spidey saving Doctor Connors, but this version of him was clouded by his bitterness and it cost him his life. It also feels like it's the episode that could be most connected to the first Spidey movie (ignoring the sequels where Dr. Connors is very much alive lol).

I also was surprised by how much I found myself enjoying the 2 part finale more than I did years ago (haven't watched any of these episodes in years but I'm really surprised how much it works for me more now). It's a story that feels like a Spider-Man thing, where he thinks things are perfect but his whole world comes crashing down on him. It comes crashing down hard with the villains playing Spidey and making the whole town think Spidey tried to kill an innocent girl who he loved, everybody hates Spidey and he has to give up. It's a rough ending!

It's a solid dramatic story that's set up where the dreams don't feel like a cheat and the repercussions are really followed through on. It really made me wish we could have seen how Peter would bounce back. Would he have worn the Human Spider costume again from the movie? Would Mysterio have framed him and he's forced to come out of hiding? I dunno. They set up some solid stuff and I wish we could have seen where it could have gone.

 

[Herofan]

Kraven (a difficult character to adapt) was done pretty well, intense and maybe even a little too ruthlessly bloodthirsty but a good adversary, I like Dorn a lot and he voiced him well. Silver Sable was OK but maybe a bit too much just villain.

Indy was OK but kind of forced, not much explanation to why she was into Peter or especially why he couldn't be with Mary Jane but could be with her. The first part of the finale was a bit hurt by it being obvious the situation was a dream but yeah good that it led to there being real consequences (although I'm not sure why the public didn't know, learn or believe that the bad guys had been illusionists/mind-controllers and so Spider-Man wasn't responsible for hurting Indy).