The Dark Knight MUST be 'R' Rated...

[ChrisBaleBatman]

If it's rated R....there better be sex involved. With hot chicks. Lots of em.

 

[terry78]

What's this obsession with it being R rated? You can say screw the kiddies, but kiddies are just as much fans of the Bat as us old folks. You have to find a happy medium, which is PG-13.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

What's this obsession with it being R rated? You can say screw the kiddies, but kiddies are just as much fans of the Bat as us old folks. You have to find a happy medium, which is PG-13.

And that, folks... is the Truth.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I say **** the kids. Seriously. They can go to hell.

But....rated-R.....I dunno, might be a bit overkill, I think. Batman is NOT The Punisher. To be at the top of his game, at his best.....he does not need to be a rated-R film.

While the Punisher......****.....Castle probably needs a NC-17 rating to be done justice.

But, Batman doesn't need an R-rating. It'd be cool to see one, and ballsy at that. But, not neccessary.

 

[Bathead]

Again, an R rating does not guarantee quality. Ratings period have nothing to do with quality. You're saying an R will mean the movie is more dark and gritty. Maybe so, but that also does not mean quality. All it means is that the movie will have more explicit sex and violence. You don't need that for a Batman story. And, quite frankly I have absolutely NO concern for the kids. As an adult, I find more often than not , R rated movies to be quite juvenile, where the explicit adult content is gratuitously tacked on in hopes of bigger box-office returns.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Really?

Personally, I feel like there just aren't enough R-rated films out there really. I think Hollywood kinda moved into that PG and PG-13 space and that has made the R-rating something of a "super violence" type of thing.

But...don't R-rated films usually make less money too? That's why the PG-13 is often shot for....so that the teenagers can get in, and make them more money.

 

[terry78]

Well, I want to be able to take my younger male family members to a Batman flick. They've been fans since they were pretty much conceived, and pretend to be him in mock combat constantly. Seeing their expressions watching him on the screen would be more satisfying to me than seeing an R-rated gorefest because some fanboys want to jerk off in the theatre to masochism that's not even present in the books.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno about that. I mean, we see some pretty crazy **** in some of the comics. Batman investigating a gory blood bath scene, the Joker going crazy mad in his rampages....the comics can get away with it b/c the parents don't pay attention to it.

And.....you could take them in with you. If your 18 that is. I'm sure most of the kids these days have no problem with any R-rated films. They've probably seen crazier stuff in other films, honestly.

But....there's no real need for it I feel.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Once again.

Kids like Batman.
WB likes money.

Kids = money.

Therefore, PG-13.

of course

 

[Texas Zombie]

Once again.

Kids like Batman.
WB likes money.

Kids = money.

Therefore, PG-13.

of course

 

[titan101]

if a simple music video can get away with this kind of stuff :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8mK1wFmDO4


why can't the dark knight if it had a pg - 13 rating ?


on second thought though , an R - rated dark knight would be pretty cool if i think about it.

 

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[Visionary]

Okay, why don't you give me an example of some movies you consider "DARK AND GRITTY."

I'd love to hear what that constitutes, in your estimation.

SCARFACE, SE7EN, HEAT (the Michael Mann film), THE CROW with a hint of SILENCE OF THE LAMBS...are the perfect blend of "Dark and Gritty" motifs that I want to see in a Batman film.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think Miami Vice might count as dark and gritty too. Maybe.

 

[xwolverine2]

mmmmmmmm nudity

 

[Keyser Sushi]

SCARFACE, SE7EN, HEAT (the Michael Mann film), THE CROW with a hint of SILENCE OF THE LAMBS...are the perfect blend of "Dark and Gritty" motifs that I want to see in a Batman film.

I honestly have seen only half of those movies. But I'm familiar enough with all four of them to know what you're saying.

While I consider Batman 89 and Batman Begins to be dark and gritty, the films you have mentioned are darkER and grittIER... which is not a bad thing. Those are some great films.

However... none of those is my idea of a Batman film. I would not take a kid to see SE7EN, or Scarface, or Silence of the Lambs... never ever.

And yet, sir, I was a child of six or seven when I picked up my first Batman comic in 1982-83. I've been a fan of the Batman almost as long as I can remember. If I hadn't gotten into it when I was a kid, I wouldn't be the rabid fan that I am now. And the Batman stories I remember were spooky and dark, but not brutal and nasty like the films you've mentioned. I had to get a bit older before I ventured into that territory.

Never underestimate the value of the younger audience. It's the kids who grow up and turn into us. They're the ones that keep the legend alive. If a Batman movie had come out when I was 7 and I hadn't been allowed to see it... that would have killed me.

 

[Visionary]

Kids watch R-rated movie every day on Cable and in theaters, it's nothing new for them. What kid do you know who hasn't seen The Matrix, The Passion Of The Christ or Terminator 2? The kids today are a different breed, from when you and I were young. Hell, they have threesomes, watch porn and don't have a curfew.

There would be nothing in an R-rated Batman film, that kids can't see on TV or Cable or the internet anytime they want. And they would all flock to see an R-rated Batman flick, faster than they would a PG-13 film--they'll just get someone older to take them. I see this all the time in the theaters...with sex and violence running rampid on screen.

SAW III was the biggest opening of its three films this weekend, you wanna know who helped that take place...KIDS?! I saw a bunch of them in theaters at every showing I went to.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Kids watch R-rated movie every day on Cable and in theaters, it's nothing new for them. What kid do you know who hasn't seen The Matrix, The Passion Of The Christ or Terminator 2? The kids today are a different breed, from when you and I were young. Hell, they have threesomes, watch porn and don't have a curfew.

I didn't have a curfew, either, and I saw RoboCop and Predator when I was a kid. I'd seen plenty of naked women before I was 13. That's not at issue here. But I didn't get taken to those movies by my parents. Actually they didn't seem to have any problem with me seeing naked people or violence, my parents just don't go to movies, and never really have.

But with that said, a lot of things I didn't understand as a kid when I saw them, and probably helped make my head the strange brew that it is today. Kids having threesomes and watching porn, though, is a serious issue that makes me want to shoot everybody. Kids are not that innocent, but they're also not mature. Those things have always been there and always will be, and kids have always been interested in them. There's nobody hornier than a 12 year old boy. But girls deserve better than to think of themselves as toys for boys, but that's what the message seems to be. Hell, they sell thongs for little girls in Wal*Mart.

But that, also, is not at issue here.

There would be nothing in an R-rated Batman film, that kids can't see on TV or Cable or the internet anytime they want. And they would all flock to see an R-rated Batman flick, faster than they would a PG-13 film--they'll just get someone older to take them. I see this all the time in the theaters...with sex and violence running rampid on screen.

Yeah yeah yeah. What you're saying is, just because a kid KNOWS about all this stuff, it's somehow morally right to market it to them. Well it's not. But that's also not at issue here.

SAW III was the biggest opening of its three films this weekend, you wanna know who helped that take place...KIDS?! I saw a bunch of them in theaters at every showing I went to.

Still haven't seen it yet. But dude, kids LOVE horror movies. My favorites when I was a kid were the Nightmare on Elm Street series. I liked that Heather Langenkamp. Still do, actually.

But... that also is not at issue here.

What IS at issue is that Batman comics are NOT like that. Batman comics deal with serious issues, but they are rarely if ever that nasty. Even DKR is probably a PG-13.

What in the WORLD makes you think that an R rated Batman movie is logical?

 

[Visionary]

I never said it was right to market it to them, I'm just saying that even though it isn't marketed to them, they'll still go see it (it will have a label Rated R) so it's up to their parents after that. However, they'll see it in huge numbers anyway, because parents today are freakin' clueless--and a cool older brother, sister or cousin will take them to see it. That's a fact, whether or not it's morally right.

An R-rated Batman movie is logical because of the "ADULT" content/situations that's in his comics. Here, it's watered-down to its very last compound. The comic book themselves are more graphic and adult oriented then the movies...which shouldn't be. Look at the piss poor fight scenes in Batman Begins, what the hell was that? I've seen better and more brutal fight scenes in THE LION KING!

 

[Rynan]

Yes, for we all know elements like the Joker mobile is too "ADULT" to be properly represented in a PG-13 Batman movie. Only an "R" rating can do justice to such a graphic concept.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I never said it was right to market it to them, I'm just saying that even though it isn't marketed to them, they'll still go see it (it will have a label Rated R) so it's up to their parents after that. However, they'll see it in huge numbers anyway, because parents today are freakin' clueless--and a cool older brother, sister or cousin will take them to see it. That's a fact, whether or not it's morally right.

An R-rated Batman movie is logical because of the "ADULT" content/situations that's in his comics. Here, it's watered-down to its very last compound. The comic book themselves are more graphic and adult oriented then the movies...which shouldn't be. Look at the piss poor fight scenes in Batman Begins, what the hell was that? I've seen better and more brutal fight scenes in THE LION KING!

I can only conclude that you have not read any Batman comics.

And where Batman Begins and The Lion King are concerened, I believe that you skipped at least one of those movies, as well.

 

[Visionary]

Great, so now I've never read a Batman comic, based on your asinine conclusion, that's real sporting of you to say. And at the very least, although it was more sarcasm than anything, we could see what was going on during the fight scenes in The Lion King.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Impliance over the visual is more eerie and fits within the PG-13 limit,no need for an R rating