The Dark Knight MUST be 'R' Rated...

[Keyser Sushi]

Arkham Asylum would warrant an R - that may be the only Bat story.

I haven't seen anything yet to convince me of that.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Meh, could just be me...but if Arkham Asylum were a movie, I would think of it as being R

I think it would depend on how these things were handled. Example?

Because of the Molesting Mad Hatter,

If they actually SHOWED Mad Hatter molesting children, it would be child porn and the filmmaker would get lynched. However, portraying the Hatter as a child molester is nothing that hasn't been done on Law & Order: Special Victim's Unit. So, PG-13.

the sick melting naked clayface,

Unless you want to see Clayface's pecker, that's a PG at worst. Remember senator Kelly in X-Men?

the Two Face who pisses himself because he can't decide what to do from his 52 choices (cards),

Piss? Since when is piss a big deal at all? PG-13 at worst.

the cross dressing Joker slapping Batman on the ass,

Pffft. Long live Milton Berle. PG at worst.

the people getting their throats slit,

Again, this depends mostly on how that subject matter is shot. It's not hard to do that in PG-13.

Batman cutting himself.....

Because it's the hero doing it, that COULD be a bigger deal. That's the first thing you've mentioned that MIGHT even be a problem.

and so on and the such

Yep. Well it's evident you people have NO idea what constitutes a PG-13. You have it in your head that a PG-13 is for little kids. Which is actually contradictory to what "PG-13" stands for.

Hell, when I was a kid you could show breasts in a PG-13 film.

 

[The Last Meatbag]

Well I agree with your statement, its how the action is portrayed in the movie, and if the director would follow closely to Arkham Asylum, and portrayed it similarly it would be R, just because of the mood, and the overall dark tone.

Arkham Asylum reminds me of one long Marilyn Manson video mixed with Alice in Wonderland.....pretty ****ed up book

 

[Comic Book Boy]

Imo if they had gone all out with Scarecrow's gas effects, they could've done some spectacular sh1t with an R-rating.

It was already "spectacular." It didn't need the exess gore.

 

[Comic Book Boy]

Well I agree with your statement, its how the action is portrayed in the movie, and if the director would follow closely to Arkham Asylum, and portrayed it similarly it would be R, just because of the mood, and the overall dark tone.

Arkham Asylum reminds me of one long Marilyn Manson video mixed with Alice in Wonderland.....pretty ****ed up book

You can have that mood and dark tone without an R-Rating.

 

[explode7]

how?

 

[Crooklyn]

It was already "spectacular." It didn't need the exess gore.

Who mentioned anything about excess gore?

I just find nothing creative about a shaking/blurring effect for a character who has so much potential visually. Can anyone really say they were impressed with it?

 

[Comic Book Boy]

Who mentioned anything about excess gore?

I just find nothing creative about a shaking/blurring effect for a character who has so much potential visually. Can anyone really say they were impressed with it?

That's the stupidest thing i've ever heard, the Scarecrow effect in BEGINS was perfect!

 

[explode7]

There's no such word as "Stupidest".

 

[Comic Book Boy]

how?

You can't name a movie with a dark tone that wasn't R-Rated?

How about BEGINS?

 

[The Last Meatbag]

You can have that mood and dark tone without an R-Rating.

You could, but there would be a lot of pissed parents who took their kid to see the new Batman movie with them..

 

[Comic Book Boy]

There's no such word as "Stupidest".

Um....yes there is:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stupidest

Nice try though.

 

[Crooklyn]

That's the stupidest thing i've ever heard, the Scarecrow effect in BEGINS was perfect!

Well please, if you have something to offer to this argument...I really am waiting.

With a character that evokes the worst fear in people, I feel Nolan should have taken advantage of that and really let his mind go with it. That's not to say that I felt it ruined BB, more like "damn, wouldn't it be cool if--" type of thing. I see nothing stupid about that at all, but if you'd like to prove why it is, by all means..

 

[Comic Book Boy]

You could, but there would be a lot of pissed parents who took their kid to see the new Batman movie with them..

That has nothing to do with the argument.

The threadstarted said DARK KNIGHT "must" be R-Rated.

I am saying that BEGINS had the perfect tone, and an R-Rating would just be gratuitus and unnecissary.

 

[The Last Meatbag]

Yeah, he could have done more with the fear effect, I mean....look at the comics...

 

[explode7]

Stupidest is a made up word there can only be more stupid and most stupid not stupidest. Nice try with the crazy dictionary though.

 

[Comic Book Boy]

Well please, if you have something to offer to this argument...I really am waiting.

With a character that evokes the worst fear in people, I feel Nolan should have taken advantage of that and really let his mind go with it. That's not to say that I felt it ruined BB, more like "damn, wouldn't it be cool if--" type of thing. I see nothing stupid about that at all, but if you'd like to prove why it is, by all means..

When Bruce was doesed with the fear toxin:
1. The shaky distortion was very well done.
2. He freakin RELIVED the death of his parents.
3. Imagined himself being swamped with bats.

How is seeing your parents die again not a big fear?

 

[Comic Book Boy]

Well please, if you have something to offer to this argument...I really am waiting.

With a character that evokes the worst fear in people, I feel Nolan should have taken advantage of that and really let his mind go with it. That's not to say that I felt it ruined BB, more like "damn, wouldn't it be cool if--" type of thing. I see nothing stupid about that at all, but if you'd like to prove why it is, by all means..

When Bruce was doesed with the fear toxin:
1. The shaky distortion was very well done.
2. He freakin RELIVED the death of his parents.
3. Imagined himself being swamped with bats.
4. He spazed out for days!

How is seeing your parents die again not a big fear?

 

[Comic Book Boy]

Well please, if you have something to offer to this argument...I really am waiting.

With a character that evokes the worst fear in people, I feel Nolan should have taken advantage of that and really let his mind go with it. That's not to say that I felt it ruined BB, more like "damn, wouldn't it be cool if--" type of thing. I see nothing stupid about that at all, but if you'd like to prove why it is, by all means..

When Bruce was doesed with the fear toxin:
1. The shaky distortion was very well done.
2. He freakin RELIVED the death of his parents.
3. Imagined himself being swamped with bats.
4. He spazed out for days!

How is seeing your parents die again not a big fear?

 

[Comic Book Boy]

Stupidest is a made up word there can only be more stupid and most stupid not stupidest. Nice try with the crazy dictionary though.

Did you even look at the link? Stupidest is a real word, but it doesn't matter anyway.

 

[Crooklyn]

When Bruce was doesed with the fear toxin:
1. The shaky distortion was very well done.

As a stand-alone thing, I guess it was alright. But if that's the only thing to showcase the fear effect, I feel it was a bit underwhelmed.

2. He freakin RELIVED the death of his parents.

No, he saw a flashback of his parents being shot. Relived would have to involve him being in that alley again, in front of his parents. Speaking of which, BTAS did this. Very well might I add.

3. Imagined himself being swamped with bats.

This I was fine with.

4. He spazed out for days!

This didn't really have anything to do with the fear gas effects.

How is seeing your parents die again not a big fear?

The idea is great, but how it was executed imo was poorly done. We saw what...a split second of it? Not to mention it was the exact same shot from the actual alley scene. Again, I'll point to that scene in BTAS where they actually involved Bruce into the murder, and did some whacky sh1t with the background as well to emphasize the illusion.

 

[Comic Book Boy]

As a stand-alone thing, I guess it was alright. But if that's the only thing to showcase the fear effect, I feel it was a bit underwhelmed.


No, he saw a flashback of his parents being shot. Relived would have to involve him being in that alley again, in front of his parents. Speaking of which, BTAS did this. Very well might I add.


This I was fine with.


This didn't really have anything to do with the fear gas effects.


The idea is great, but how it was executed imo was poorly done. We saw what...a split second of it? Not to mention it was the exact same shot from the actual alley scene. Again, I'll point to that scene in BTAS where they actually involved Bruce into the murder, and did some whacky sh1t with the background as well to emphasize the illusion.

If that's your opinion fine. I thought the fear effects in BEGINS were great.

(Yeah, that scene in BTAS was great, but maybe too corny for film)

 

[StorminNorman]

I haven't seen anything yet to convince me of that.

AA is a very dark book. Deals with child molestation, beheadings, disturbing images, people crazy, etc. It actually freaked me out.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

As a stand-alone thing, I guess it was alright. But if that's the only thing to showcase the fear effect, I feel it was a bit underwhelmed.


No, he saw a flashback of his parents being shot. Relived would have to involve him being in that alley again, in front of his parents. Speaking of which, BTAS did this. Very well might I add.


This I was fine with.


This didn't really have anything to do with the fear gas effects.


The idea is great, but how it was executed imo was poorly done. We saw what...a split second of it? Not to mention it was the exact same shot from the actual alley scene. Again, I'll point to that scene in BTAS where they actually involved Bruce into the murder, and did some whacky sh1t with the background as well to emphasize the illusion.

Well, I remember Scarecrow in the comics using his fear gas to make people think they were covered in spiders, things like that... which is very potent for most people. He schtick constantly changes. Sometimes it's experience your worst fear, sometimes it's experience a random horrific thing, sometimes it's taking away your fear (as an episode of TAS explored) and sometimes it's strategically making you afraid of specific things. The thing is, he basically, controls fear.

The stuff we saw in Begins -- with the bats coming out of his mouth and maggots from his eyes, the fire-breathing horse and the distorted, nightmarish reality... guys seeing the people around them as zombies, faces turning to skulls, Batman as a flying fire-breathing monster in one instance, and the Uruk-Hai from Hell in another... these are ENTIRELY consistent with what I remember of the Scarecrow in the comics.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

AA is a very dark book. Deals with child molestation, beheadings, disturbing images, people crazy, etc. It actually freaked me out.

Well, just based on the two pages I've seen posted here, it looks less like a Batman book and more like a horror story of some kind, which, I really have no interest in.

But I'm not a graphic novel guy anyway, I'm a comic book guy. Graphic Novels do things with the characters that the monthly titles don't. And while that's fun to explore it's ultimately... not what I'm most interested in.