Sequels My Top 8 Arguments for X4

[millyd03]

1. Record box office numbers.

2. Most of the actors would return for another, specifically Halle Berry, Hugh Jackman and Kelsey Grammer have all said they'd do another if the script was good.

3. Rogue has been pretty much worthless as a team member thus far. Since the cure seems to be temporary she should be back as a mutant in the 4th, preferably with her Ms. Marvel powers.

4. Juggernaut was simply muscle for the Brotherhood in Last Stand. There was no reference to his connection with Professor X and why he really needs the helmet.

5. Gambit; need I say more?

6. Not a must, but it would be nice to see Nightcrawler and Jubilee back, as long as it didn't get too crowded.

7. Although supposedly unintentional, the ending practically demands a sequal.

8. The way I see it the breakdown is like this:
X1- Who are the mutants?
X2- Mutants are dangerous, we need to wipe them out.
X3- Maybe mutants are just sick, we need to cure them.
So far people haven't really been given a reason to like mutants. That's what X4 should do, have the X-Men save the world then maybe some people would finally realize they need mutants (although plenty will still believe they can't be trusted). As to what they should save the world from, I'll let you decide but the one that makes the most sense to me is Apocalypse and perhaps his horsemen (I would suggest at least Archangel and Mr. Sinister).

So there they are. Feel free to add you own arguments, refute some of mine and suggest your own villians for #4 (if you agree there should be one).

 

[Matt.S99]

im with you all the way on #5



TIM DEEGAN!

 

[snuunuu]

Not to be cocky or anything, but all of those are not arguments. :T

1. Record box office numbers.

Well, it's only been out for like... a week? Of course it has made some profit already (I think), but the big bucks are yet to be made. Anything can happen now.

2. Most of the actors would return for another, specifically Halle Berry, Hugh Jackman and Kelsey Grammer have all said they'd do another if the script was good.

Yeah, Patrick Stewart said he'd come back as well. And this is what scares me, they all are willing to come back, but how much money do they want? Will Berry eat a slice of humble pie and tone her requirements down a notch and will the others settle for less than what they'd like in order to introduce new, much needed mutants?

3. Rogue has been pretty much worthless as a team member thus far.
Since the cure seems to be temporary she should be back as a mutant in the 4th, preferably with her Ms. Marvel powers.

Well, it'd be a bit iffy to introduce Ms. Marvel all out of a sudden. Maybe she'd accidently absorb someone else's powers instead. Similar to Ms. Marvel's, preferrably, but not actually her. It's a bit confusing to introduce her; she's not a mutant per se, she's an alien engineered hybrid. It would be easier if they made up a character with her powers and dispatch her ASAP. Or better yet, make Rogue have the powers already before the movie begins and explain it in a flashback. That way they could make substitute Ms. Marvel's part even smaller. How cool of an opening scene would it be to see Rogue flying around and laying some waste in the danger room?

4. Juggernaut was simply muscle for the Brotherhood in Last Stand. There was no reference to his connection with Professor X and why he really needs the helmet.

Ok, and? Juggs wasn't meant to be a big character. A little backstory should've been told, I agree, but explaining one minor villain's background isn't a reason to make a new movie.

5. Gambit; need I say more?

Yes. There's no reason to introduce him other than pleasing the masses. He has a huge fanbase and that would boost the movie's profits, but he's in no way a crucial character. If they can explain him really, really well, and not just throw him in and say "this is Gambit ok he's important now!" it probably would be acceptable. He's just not needed.

6. Not a must, but it would be nice to see Nightcrawler and Jubilee back, as long as it didn't get too crowded.

Yeah, well. Again, pleasing the masses. An explanation of any kind where Nightcrawler was in X3 would be nice, though.

7. Although supposedly unintentional, the ending practically demands a sequal.

I don't think it was unintentional at all, it just leaves the doors open. But yeah, it nees a sequel.

8. The way I see it the breakdown is like this:
X1- Who are the mutants?
X2- Mutants are dangerous, we need to wipe them out.
X3- Maybe mutants are just sick, we need to cure them.
So far people haven't really been given a reason to like mutants. That's what X4 should do, have the X-Men save the world then maybe some people would finally realize they need mutants (although plenty will still believe they can't be trusted). As to what they should save the world from, I'll let you decide but the one that makes the most sense to me is Apocalypse and perhaps his horsemen (I would suggest at least Archangel and Mr. Sinister).

This is actually the point which I totally agree with.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I disagree that any of those are reasons that a 4th NEEDS to be made.

These movies work better as a trilogy the way they've been made.

 

[snuunuu]

I disagree that any of those are reasons that a 4th NEEDS to be made.

These movies work better as a trilogy the way they've been made.

But they could, and probably would, start a new set of films. Maybe a new trilogy. Of course it would have some similarities, but that's obvious because it would still be an X-Men movie.

 

[millyd03]

Well, it'd be a bit iffy to introduce Ms. Marvel all out of a sudden. Maybe she'd accidently absorb someone else's powers instead. Similar to Ms. Marvel's, preferrably, but not actually her. It's a bit confusing to introduce her; she's not a mutant per se, she's an alien engineered hybrid. It would be easier if they made up a character with her powers and dispatch her ASAP. Or better yet, make Rogue have the powers already before the movie begins and explain it in a flashback. That way they could make substitute Ms. Marvel's part even smaller. How cool of an opening scene would it be to see Rogue flying around and laying some waste in the danger room?

Thanks for the fair assessment. I totally agree introducing Ms. Marvel would probably not work, especially if only to have her powers absorbed. Rogue could definetly use those powers though and I'm sure the writers could come up with a different way to give them to her that would work.

Ok, and? Juggs wasn't meant to be a big character. A little backstory should've been told, I agree, but explaining one minor villain's background isn't a reason to make a new movie.

My point here was that Juggernaut shouldn't simply be a muscular thug for the main villian (for that matter neither should Sabertooth, but hopefully they'll fix that in the Wolverine spin-off). Granted that is a lot of who he is, and I'm not saying he sould be a main villian, but there is a little more to him that they should have explained in X3, but that can easliy be fixed in X4. I admit though, it's not reson enough to demand a 4th, just something that they should do when and if they make another.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Here is the number 1 reason for an X4

X-men is the most open ended and expansive universe in all of media, there is not one single entity can even come close to touching the vast array of characters (all specifically personalized) that xmen has

nothing can boast a supposibley brainless henchmen like Sabretooth would have the history he has, and the story he can tell is almost as much a backstory as like a main villan in spiderman like Scorpion, and Sabretooth doesn't mean half as much to X-men as Scorpion means to spiderman

that is just one of many examples, like Jubilee, such a small character has rabid fans that are angry at the fact she isn't in the movies yet

there is so much to do, this isn't you superhero saves the day movie, there are 50 different characters with 50 different agendas

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

1. Record box office numbers.

Sh**ty reason to make a sequel

2. Most of the actors would return for another, specifically Halle Berry, Hugh Jackman and Kelsey Grammer have all said they'd do another if the script was good.8

Because actors return.....sh**ty reason to make a sequel

3. Rogue has been pretty much worthless as a team member thus far. Since the cure seems to be temporary she should be back as a mutant in the 4th, preferably with her Ms. Marvel powers.

Rogue has been pretty much worthless...yes, but to make a sequel because of that....sh**ty reason to make a sequel

4. Juggernaut was simply muscle for the Brotherhood in Last Stand. There was no reference to his connection with Professor X and why he really needs the helmet.

Juggernaut was badly used in the movie...yes, but to make a sequel because of the character....sh**ty reason to make a sequel

5. Gambit; need I say more?

Once again, using the lack of a character or the bad use of one is just a sh**ty reason

6. Not a must, but it would be nice to see Nightcrawler and Jubilee back, as long as it didn't get too crowded.

Sh**....aaahhh, you know the drill

7. Although supposedly unintentional, the ending practically demands a sequal.

What....Xavier becaming a human at the end......that was just a ridiculous ending in the first place

8. The way I see it the breakdown is like this:
X1- Who are the mutants?
X2- Mutants are dangerous, we need to wipe them out.
X3- Maybe mutants are just sick, we need to cure them.
So far people haven't really been given a reason to like mutants. That's what X4 should do, have the X-Men save the world then maybe some people would finally realize they need mutants (although plenty will still believe they can't be trusted).

None of the movies really addressed the topics you state that well, but, yeah, with that in mind, the logical step is in fact to give a reason for people to like mutants.


As for my reason to make a 4th movie....well......ehhhhh...there is the......and the........
It was fun while it lasted, but let´s leave it at the 3rd.
I just know that, if you get into a 4th, the franchise will go downhill really fast.

 

[millyd03]

if you don't think there should have been a 4th, then you should have just said so, but if you actually want to refute my arguments i think you owe everyone some counter-argument instead of just calling them all sh***y. None of these arguments are reson for a sequal in and of themselves, rather for all these reasons (and mabye more) there's potential for a 4th.

 

[Mr. Socko]

For me, Nightcrawler is a must.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

if you don't think there should have been a 4th, then you should have just said so, but if you actually want to refute my arguments i think you owe everyone some counter-argument instead of just calling them all sh***y. None of these arguments are reson for a sequal in and of themselves, rather for all these reasons (and mabye more) there's potential for a 4th.

Don´t get me wrong, my counter-arguments where not against you, they are valid reasons for a studio to want to make a 4th movie.
They are just not valid reasons to make a 4th movie in a story perspective.

 

[cornernat]

i like : )

 

[SuperFerret]

3 counter-points.

1) People should never have a reason to like mutants, that undermines the whole "we protect a world that hates and fears us" angle the X-Men have.

2) No movie ever needs a sequel, people may want one, and the studios may make one, but it is not necessary for any movie.

3) Rogue is better off without Ms. Marvel's powers. She's more interesting.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

umm, only 8 arguments, huhe, sorry it would of taken atleast 9 to convince me, and of course it would of had to be a very strong 9th arguments. lol