Fantasy Netflix's The Witcher - General Discussion Thread

Haha, yep it’s a big game. You could always watch playthroughs (either full or narrative only) if that interests you.

Yeah always an option. Dedicated to finishing the books again first though as I did spend ages playing W3 when it was first out with multiple play throughs and all the DLC so it feels like I have done that game to death, as good as it is.
 
Geralt was probably too white and too male to make the story go from only his perspective.
Especially considering that they weren't able to add anything worthy in place of changes. LOTR or GoT also deviated from the source. To not bloat the cast or streamline the narrative... But did we see anything comparable to Arya and Tywin or Arya and the Hound in Witcher? Nope. Biggest meme from the show is how Geralt reacts with "****". That's the talent. Lyrics, atmosphere of the books is gone... And natural development of the stories.

Did either of those 2 examples happen in S1?
 
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Did either of those 2 examples happen in S1?
If they didn't find the books good enough for TV, why didn't they write better material for it in S1? S1 of Game of Thrones was really close the source. S1 of Witcher wasn't. It doesn't matter which season it is...
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LSH's instagram.
 
If they didn't find the books good enough for TV, why didn't they write better material for it in S1? S1 of Game of Thrones was really close the source. S1 of Witcher wasn't. It doesn't matter which season it is...LSH's instagram.

No, the point is the writers of Game of Thrones evolved. There's no reason to think the Witcher writers can't also learn from worked and didn't work.
 
It makes sense to have Ciri from the get go as she is the main character.

This show is getting A LOT of love. Really high IMDB score, Reddit is in love with the series, etc. So glad that it's a hit. Now that we get into the real story I hope NF gives them a bigger budget and makes S2 better in all fronts.
 
No, the point is the writers of Game of Thrones evolved. There's no reason to think the Witcher writers can't also learn from worked and didn't work.
Considering they didn't write **** content for S1, you can't claim they evolved.
 
fwiw I enjoyed it quite a bit
My "I haven't read the books OR played the game please don't kill me " Review:

The Cast:
Henry Cavill was good as Geralt, imo. Not the MOST original interpretation: grumpy loner finds a family, dry sarcastic sense of humor, scars and a dark tragic past. But you could see his growth throughout the season into someone who-- while he's been hurt in the past-- is finally opening up to the people he's inadvertently grown close to. Probably the most nuanced Cavill performance I've seen, even if it is a bit boilerplate.
Anyan Cholotra made for a fine (with a capital F) Yennefer, fierce and powerful and hot as f***. She definitely had the biggest arc out of any of the characters, and carried almost all the emotional weight. Hopefully she comes back a little more mysterious and her allegiances a bit questionable... it seemed odd (probably because I'm comparing to slow-burn GoT) to have her and Geralt fall for each other so quickly
Freya Allen didn't have a whole lot to do as Ciri; again, since I don't know a whole lot about the source, all I knew of her was the "hot white haired one" so having her be so young is a choice. But her and Geralt's moment at the end was cool, this idea that they fully knew each other without ever having met.

Also props to many of the supporting characters, Jaskier, Mousesack, Tissaia, Calanthe, Stregebor (although I only see him as that dick from Sherlock) were all pretty solid in their roles and made their time on screen worthwhile

I thought Triss was underserved, from what I understand she's a big character in the games

For my few negatives:
-Production quality was obviously not quite at a Thrones level, some of the armor looked cheap, makeup on some creatures was a bit weird (though I just assumed that was a stylistic choice) and those dragons were a bit rough
-That exposition was dense. It might not be as broad as something like LoTR or GoT, but it felt like it went deeper than those two. There were certain elements I was having such difficulty following that I had to look them up, (e.g. the "Law of Surprise" when it was first mentioned, various names and locations, etc)
-Timelines... by the end I got it down, I think, but it still seemed a bit unnecessary. There were entire scenes where I wasn't listening to the dialogue (which probably contributed to my confusion noted above) because I was trying to figure out when the scene was happening.

So yeah, unhindered by pre-conceived notions, those were my thoughts while watching. Definitely eager to see season 2, and I hope Netflix doesn't go the way of the dodo before we see this series conclude. Any chance HBO would pick it up if it does? I hope so.
 
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It makes sense to have Ciri from the get go as she is the main character.

This show is getting A LOT of love. Really high IMDB score, Reddit is in love with the series, etc. So glad that it's a hit. Now that we get into the real story I hope NF gives them a bigger budget and makes S2 better in all fronts.
She isn't the main character in earlier books. But showrunners made her one and damaged the narrative great deal. If they were a bit more patient and careful with the source material, we would get a much, MUCH better adaptation. I'm frankly amazed by the willpower of CDPR, who hid both Ciri and Yennefer till the third game. Now that's care for the source. If it's not the right time, it's not the right time.

The show is getting some love (mostly from uninitiaded or those who enjoy Cavill's performance, yuck), but imdb rating is swarmed by fanboys who just slam 10s. Because it's Witcher.
 
She isn't the main character in earlier books. But showrunners made her one and damaged the narrative great deal. If they were a bit more patient and careful with the source material, we would get a much, MUCH better adaptation. I'm frankly amazed by the willpower of CDPR, who hid both Ciri and Yennefer till the third game. Now that's care for the source. If it's not the right time, it's not the right time.

The show is getting some love (mostly from uninitiaded or those who enjoy Cavill's performance, yuck), but imdb rating is swarmed by fanboys who just slam 10s. Because it's Witcher.

Or people genuinely liked it.

By the by, I didn't realize Yen or Ciri weren't in the prior games. The way Witcher 3 sets them up, I would have thought they were hugely involved in the prior games. Interesting.
 
There are things I did like about the show, dont get me wrong, and it annoys me that people that have never read the books or played the game are praising it because I feel there were so many missed opportunities and the real beauty of the first two short story collections were short changed, but people will lap up anything these days.

Pros:
- Dandelion was perfect (Jaskier)
- Cavill does have moments when he really embodies Geralt but other times he comes off wooden but he looks like Geralt so thats good.
- The Witcher armor looks cool but thats because it looks like its straight from the games.
- Ep 3 (minus Triss) really felt like it was the world of The Witcher
- Geralt's sword fighting and use of Signs is pretty neat.

Cons:
- Triss and Fringilla. Man they really screwed their casting up. I dont like that theyre black because it just makes no sense to race change them but the actresses werent good.
- Removing Nenneke and having 3 storylines happening throughout the show was poorly done.
- Nilfgaard's armor. wtf?
- Cahir's characterization.
- Mousesack's fate. REALLY?
- Sack of Cintra being the first thing to happen.
- No Geralt meeting Ciri in Brokilon
- Edge of the World story seemed so easily glossed over.
- Did not care at all about Yen's story. In the books its about Geralt and Ciri, Yen is important but for the most part is a background character.
- Geralt didnt interact much with Crach and if I remember they become good friends/rivals because of Yen.
- Cared nothing about Dara.

I gotta rewatch it again but its a big meh from me.
 
Who are you referring to as "didn't evolve"? D&D or LH?
I didn't refer to anyone as "didn't evolve". I'm saying you can't prove GoT writers evolved since they had to evolve from something. And since they didn't write their own stuff for the first season, they can't evolve from nothing. They followed the first book closely and significant book deviations started from season 2. In case of Witcher, the first season deviated from the book great deal.
 
Sorry if my unfamiliarity annoys you, but a couple questions-

- Cavill does have moments when he really embodies Geralt but other times he comes off wooden but he looks like Geralt so thats good.
- The Witcher armor looks cool but thats because it looks like its straight from the games.

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- Triss and Fringilla. Man they really screwed their casting up. I dont like that theyre black because it just makes no sense to race change them but the actresses werent good.
- No Geralt meeting Ciri in Brokilon

-Every critical review I've seen is focusing on Brakilon, why is it so significant? In the show it came off as an unnecessary side jaunt, but I guess that's the failings of the shows writers. But what's so important about it in the books that has gotten people so angry?
-The actress who played Triss is black? Huh. crazy. I don't see why race would have negatively impacted either of their stories in any way, but I agree the actresses didn't exactly grab me.

-Geralt's costume does look pretty good, but if I gotta be honest, I think he still looks pretty ridiculous. The wig is horrible, I remember seeing some promo pic where it was pulled back much tighter and looked a lot better.
And honestly, Cavill is too damn big. He looks so wide in that armor its almost silly. Geralt in the games looks more "slender yet muscular", whereas Cavill is a brick s**thouse. It'd be like seeing the Rock in stormtrooper armor, just ridiculous. lol.
 
She isn't the main character in earlier books. But showrunners made her one and damaged the narrative great deal. If they were a bit more patient and careful with the source material, we would get a much, MUCH better adaptation. I'm frankly amazed by the willpower of CDPR, who hid both Ciri and Yennefer till the third game. Now that's care for the source. If it's not the right time, it's not the right time.

The show is getting some love (mostly from uninitiaded or those who enjoy Cavill's performance, yuck), but imdb rating is swarmed by fanboys who just slam 10s. Because it's Witcher.

It makes more sense to introduce Ciri in the first season as an important character.
 
Sorry if my unfamiliarity annoys you, but a couple questions-



-Every critical review I've seen is focusing on Brakilon, why is it so significant? In the show it came off as an unnecessary side jaunt, but I guess that's the failings of the shows writers. But what's so important about it in the books that has gotten people so angry?
-The actress who played Triss is black? Huh. crazy. I don't see why race would have negatively impacted either of their stories in any way, but I agree the actresses didn't exactly grab me.

-Geralt's costume does look pretty good, but if I gotta be honest, I think he still looks pretty ridiculous. The wig is horrible, I remember seeing some promo pic where it was pulled back much tighter and looked a lot better.
And honestly, Cavill is too damn big. He looks so wide in that armor its almost silly. Geralt in the games looks more "slender yet muscular", whereas Cavill is a brick s**thouse. It'd be like seeing the Rock in stormtrooper armor, just ridiculous. lol.

Why Brokilon is significant:

In the books, Brokilon story was another flashback where Geralt meets Ciri for the first time when she's a lot younger and bonds with her. So basically, imagine that Brokilon Forest subplot from the show but it happens years before when it does, and Geralt is there. That's when he actually meets Ciri for the first time not knowing yet she's his child of surprise.
 
Ok, I get that
But like I mentioned, I kind of enjoyed the element of them knowing each other without ever meeting. Them meeting earlier and not knowing their connection is kind of the complete opposite, so I get why fans of the original don't like the change, but to me it feels novel and different from all the other "lone wolf and cub" stories out there and shows an innate love between them that they didn't know they were missing.
Between this and Mandalorian, I'm about to go out and adopt a kid, lol.
 
Ok, I get that
But like I mentioned, I kind of enjoyed the element of them knowing each other without ever meeting. Them meeting earlier and not knowing their connection is kind of the complete opposite, so I get why fans of the original don't like the change, but to me it feels novel and different from all the other "lone wolf and cub" stories out there and shows an innate love between them that they didn't know they were missing.
Between this and Mandalorian, I'm about to go out and adopt a kid, lol.
I was fine with it. It's a TV show not a book. Every cinematic or onscreen adaptation has changes like this. I wish more shows could be more faithful to the books, but such is life.

The first two books were basically short story anthologies and not the larger saga. The first season basically had to rewrite them to be the starting point of an actual saga. It is what it is. You aren't going to find a single adaptation in recent years that doesn't do the same.
 
I didn't refer to anyone as "didn't evolve". I'm saying you can't prove GoT writers evolved since they had to evolve from something. And since they didn't write their own stuff for the first season, they can't evolve from nothing. They followed the first book closely and significant book deviations started from season 2. In case of Witcher, the first season deviated from the book great deal.

But there's more to it than how closely you did or didn't follow the books. You still have to write the scripts, you still get to see on screen what worked and what didn't, whether you followed the books too slavishly or not enough, and so on. So in either case, there's no reason to think LH and crew can't improve on what they did. I happened to really like it, but also see its flaws. I don't see why they can't as well and go from there. In fact, it seems the reason they strayed further from the book was specific to how they wanted to give these characters a presence in the first season narrative, and now that they are all in the same timeline, they don't have to take such departures (even if you don't think those departures were necessary in the first place).

I haven't read the books for either franchise, but I have heard plenty of people comment on how many changes they made to the books in GOT. I've read LOTR and adore the movies. There are some areas they were much closer to the source, other times where they translated things differently to make it work with what they were doing.
 
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Game of Thrones S1, the first season where they totally ran out of money in their budget so they couldn't actually film any significant battle scenes. Hence Tyrion getting knocked out as he's running into battle and it happens entirely offscreen.

Jaime Lannister's capture also happens offscreen.
 
Ok, I get that
But like I mentioned, I kind of enjoyed the element of them knowing each other without ever meeting. Them meeting earlier and not knowing their connection is kind of the complete opposite, so I get why fans of the original don't like the change, but to me it feels novel and different from all the other "lone wolf and cub" stories out there and shows an innate love between them that they didn't know they were missing.
Between this and Mandalorian, I'm about to go out and adopt a kid, lol.

That's what I liked about it to. That the connection was intensely there because of all their trials and tribulations prior. That they were meant for each other and the music is just great in that scene. My favorite moment of the whole season (along with the fight against Renfri). I'd love to get that White Wolf theme without the lyrics.

While I don't know what Broccoli was like in the books, I do think it was dull in the show. I thought that could have been a good time (since Ciri was mostly sitting around in inactive mode during that part of the story) to have the leader in the forest provide some lore to Ciri (and by extension us) about the conjunction of spheres, and so on. This could have given this section more value, imo.
 
Jaime Lannister's capture also happens offscreen.

That was always weird to me as a viewer.

But also, just like you said, more money means you can do more things with the story. The Witcher seems to have really hit with the masses. Netflix might give them more episodes, etc, to allow for more book content and better flow.
 

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