Transformers New Bay Message 12/20/06

[Dr Lee]

The only problem i had with BB2 was the swearing to be honest

 

[xwolverine2]

The only problem i had with BB2 was the swearing to be honest

welcome to miamit:

 

[nosebleed.]

I doubt that Bay was comparing the actual Die Hard movie to Transformers...he was just comparing the action sequences in the trailer to his own in the Bad Boys movies...which are comparable.

 

[TheVileOne]

Is he saying that Bad Boys 2 was just regurgitated crap? Because if he is saying that about his own movie I agree.

 

[nosebleed.]

no man, you can surly undertand wha the's saying. he's saying that his bad boys series started a lot of these outlandish special effects that could no way in real ife be pulle doff. g'nite.

 

[TheVileOne]

Michael Bay isn't one to criticize.

 

[Visionary]

no man, you can surly undertand wha the's saying. he's saying that his bad boys series started a lot of these outlandish special effects that could no way in real ife be pulle doff. g'nite.

Bad Boys started absolutely nothing, it only helped to fuel an already regurgitated cliche car chase sequence with cool looking cars.

 

[Dotten]

Again, did he reallys say this stuff? Can't find it anywhere on the net, so a link to the original statement would be nice nosebleed

 

[nosebleed.]

Again, did he reallys say this stuff? Can't find it anywhere on the net, so a link to the original statement would be nice nosebleed

Sorry..here u go...first post edited to include link as well.

http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1319

 

[YÅ«gi's BM]

In the end it isn't Bay's fault. In the end it's going to be the hardcore fan that looses out just because they will not settle for anything less then G1. I grew up with Transformers and I am perfectly ok with these new designs (espicially the sweet Megatron design). I realize sacrifices must be made for a big budget live-action film. I'm sure at the very least the personalities of the Transformers are kept in tact and I cannot wait until the actors are revealed for 'em.


~Yūgi's Black Magician

 

[TigerClaw]

In the end it isn't Bay's fault. In the end it's going to be the hardcore fan that looses out just because they will not settle for anything less then G1. I grew up with Transformers and I am perfectly ok with these new designs (espicially the sweet Megatron design). I realize sacrifices must be made for a big budget live-action film. I'm sure at the very least the personalities of the Transformers are kept in tact and I cannot wait until the actors are revealed for 'em.


~Yūgi's Black Magician

Exactly, We cannot have a carbon copy of G1. The original designs would be a laughing stock. The reason why the G1 fans are not willing to accept the changes, Is cause there stuck in the 80s. Mind you, I grew up watching the show back in the 80s. But I accept the changes, Cause its the 21st Century. Robots that change into 1980s vehicles will not work cause they will not blend with our current society.

 

[nosebleed.]

You guys are jaded. Again I ask...who said they wanted exact carbon copies of G1?? Nobody has said that. I am not stuck in the 80s...but modernization without resemblence really pisses me off. Optimus is great because he's modernized yet you can recognize him as Prime. Can you say that for Megatron??

All this, "You fanboys can't get carbon copies of G1" explanations are moot because nobody has asked for that.

 

[TigerClaw]

The important thing is the characters will still have there familiarity while having a modern look to them. Prime pretty much stands out as the most familiar looking one.

 

[Boom]

Whereas Megatron represents the opposite end of the spectrum; looking like complete garbage.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

The important thing is the characters will still have there familiarity while having a modern look to them. Prime pretty much stands out as the most familiar looking one.

Prime and Bumblebee somewhat preserve a "look" that nods to the original.

Starscream, Ratchet, Ironhide, Megatron and Frenzy (to name a few) absolutely don't.

The bigger problem though is not that "it's not an exact carbon copy of G1" . It's that it's a poor attempt at a Transformers film. When you write a Spider-Man and or Batman film you don't want an exact translation, retcons practically make this impossible anyways. But you want some story and some concept that is respectful of the original. Even with autobiographies and historical films the same thing occurs...you can never do a frame for frame story, it's very extremely hard. The problem is when you take a novel concept like the story about G1 and reduce it to some cliche' and silly plot. Human driven stories, emotionless and personality less Transformers, the Autobots being a small sideplot and the Decepticons being background noise and basically only there to blow things to pieces are the major problems. Plus the usual degree of Bay product placements, choppy camera work and lack of meaningful dialogue are sure to be problems as well.

This is what makes it "not G1". It's "War of the Worlds" or "ID4" or "Attack of the Martians". The heroes in the movie won't be the Autobots, it IS (I've read the script) Shia, Josh Duhamal and Megan Fox...those are the main show at the expense of Optimus and Bumblebee. People have to be wondering at this point why Optimus and Megatron seem to be the only two casted Transformers...probably because those are the only ones with dialogue of any importance. Ratchet, Jazz and Ironhide have 2 or 3 lines a piece...and may have less after the script is revised. The Transformers, both factions, are treated little more than canon fodder. The Decepticons are lumbering, emotionless robots of death...not characters, not backstabbers, not charismatic tyrants; at least they are not developed as such.

What is this movie. "Bad Boys w/ Robots" or "the Island w/ Robots". The Robots are merely there to slap the name Transformers on the final product. They could make it a number of things...even now it might as well be called "Gobots", "Gundam" or even "Biolocle"; and the plot could remain relatively intact. That is the problem. While there have been 20+ Transformers stories, many of which G1, there are common threads. This rejects those to make a "safe" and "quick money" movie. There is no long term success here...the script is atrocious, the director has a sketchy reputation and the story lacks anything beyond a vague attrachment to Transformers -- that is the problem.

 

[YÅ«gi's BM]

You guys are jaded. Again I ask...who said they wanted exact carbon copies of G1?? Nobody has said that. I am not stuck in the 80s...but modernization without resemblence really pisses me off. Optimus is great because he's modernized yet you can recognize him as Prime. Can you say that for Megatron??

All this, "You fanboys can't get carbon copies of G1" explanations are moot because nobody has asked for that.

This one can only simply call it as this one sees it. Many have cried on and off about it. As far as I can tell that Megatron was an incomplete design, I'm willing to bet it was only his Cybertronian form.


~Yūgi's Black Magician

 

[xwolverine2]

Michael Bay isn't one to criticize.

neither is uwe boll...

gotta hate that freedom of speech huh?t:

 

[nosebleed.]

Very good explanation Shadowboxing. The feeling is mutual on a lot of your statements.

 

[nosebleed.]

This one can only simply call it as this one sees it. Many have cried on and off about it. As far as I can tell that Megatron was an incomplete design, I'm willing to bet it was only his Cybertronian form.


~Yūgi's Black Magician

It is...we'll see if he has an earth form.

 

[YÅ«gi's BM]

Prime and Bumblebee somewhat preserve a "look" that nods to the original.

Starscream, Ratchet, Ironhide, Megatron and Frenzy (to name a few) absolutely don't.

The bigger problem though is not that "it's not an exact carbon copy of G1" . It's that it's a poor attempt at a Transformers film. When you write a Spider-Man and or Batman film you don't want an exact translation, retcons practically make this impossible anyways. But you want some story and some concept that is respectful of the original. Even with autobiographies and historical films the same thing occurs...you can never do a frame for frame story, it's very extremely hard. The problem is when you take a novel concept like the story about G1 and reduce it to some cliche' and silly plot. Human driven stories, emotionless and personality less Transformers, the Autobots being a small sideplot and the Decepticons being background noise and basically only there to blow things to pieces are the major problems. Plus the usual degree of Bay product placements, choppy camera work and lack of meaningful dialogue are sure to be problems as well.

This is what makes it "not G1". It's "War of the Worlds" or "ID4" or "Attack of the Martians". The heroes in the movie won't be the Autobots, it IS (I've read the script) Shia, Josh Duhamal and Megan Fox...those are the main show at the expense of Optimus and Bumblebee. People have to be wondering at this point why Optimus and Megatron seem to be the only two casted Transformers...probably because those are the only ones with dialogue of any importance. Ratchet, Jazz and Ironhide have 2 or 3 lines a piece...and may have less after the script is revised. The Transformers, both factions, are treated little more than canon fodder. The Decepticons are lumbering, emotionless robots of death...not characters, not backstabbers, not charismatic tyrants; at least they are not developed as such.

What is this movie. "Bad Boys w/ Robots" or "the Island w/ Robots". The Robots are merely there to slap the name Transformers on the final product. They could make it a number of things...even now it might as well be called "Gobots", "Gundam" or even "Biolocle"; and the plot could remain relatively intact. That is the problem. While there have been 20+ Transformers stories, many of which G1, there are common threads. This rejects those to make a "safe" and "quick money" movie. There is no long term success here...the script is atrocious, the director has a sketchy reputation and the story lacks anything beyond a vague attrachment to Transformers -- that is the problem.

I'm not going to trust any leaked script JUST YET but I do believe that the 'bots'll most probably get further development in future installments. As Murphy has said, it's too late to change this first motion picuture but I'm sure you y'all make a big enough outcry the second film can be better. But y'all are going to have to find yourselfs a middle ground with the poor people working on the sequels and this franchise. This film is merely introducing us to characters, the real meat and potatos is in sequel motion pictures.


~Yūgi's Black Magician

 

[deathshead2]

I don't think even a transformers 2 would bring out more development for the robots. Don murphy and Bay are a bad combo. There like a sucidely teen with a shotgun, there sure to cause a mess and never to be trusted. There in it for the money nothing else.

 

[cryptic name]

i love everyone who says people have a problem with the movie because we cannot accept change or "are stuck in the eighties". maybe it's because we've read the script and know that the movie is poorly conceived, even if megatron and starscream didn't look like crap.

 

[deathshead2]

Don't know why people keep telling me to get out of the 80s hech I wasn't even born in the 80s.

 

[Visionary]

Well now, let's not go too crazy, because there are people here who just want to see an all-out action packed movie and nothing more. I think Bay can deliver that...just don't ask for anything more.

 

[CFlash]

What ShadowBoxing said.