Superman Returns New interview with Singer and Routh... 'Casting Superman'

[MatchesMalone]

Ok that cleared that up for me thanks we sorta agree a little anyways.

However I was addresssing Oldguy's post saying
Opinions are only as valid as the facts they are based upon
and this comment
Although opinions are not entirely right or wrong, they are certainly not equal. Some have more merit than others.

Since opinions are not facts, they cannot be factually "true" or "false". It is impossible for them to be.

Oldguy was making qualitative statements based on his personal viewpoint. The value of an opinion, obviously and necessarily, varies from person to person, as each formulates a judgement of that opinion based on their own personality. Oldguy requires opinions to be based on factual information for them to have any worth to him.

Now, this concept of "merit" is also a qualitative statement, and is from Oldguy's personal perspective. Saying an opinion has "merit" is itself an opinion - about the opinion. So Oldguy was speaking only of his personal viewpoint. Which is different from yours. I don't see what the conflict is.

Neither of which I agree with.

Also acceptable. So, why were you being so hostile with Oldguy when you simply disagreed with his viewpoint?




Man, defending Oldguy so much is making me feel sick in my mouth a little bit.

 

[MatchesMalone]

Its so unlike him..

i know he has been a nasty old Bastard by his own admission,but those posts seem more personal.

Have you ever read Oldguy and me going at it over the last 6 months? This is new to you?

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Have you ever read Oldguy and me going at it over the last 6 months? This is new to you?

Honestly i haven't.

On the batboards he was always quite informative to back up his opinion. this is out of charactor and an attack on a fellow user.

 

[NateGray]

Since opinions are not facts, they cannot be factually "true" or "false". It is impossible for them to be.

Oldguy was making qualitative statements based on his personal viewpoint. The value of an opinion, obviously and necessarily, varies from person to person, as each formulates a judgement of that opinion based on their own personality. Oldguy requires opinions to be based on factual information for them to have any worth to him.

Now, this concept of "merit" is also a qualitative statement, and is from Oldguy's personal perspective. Saying an opinion has "merit" is itself an opinion - about the opinion. So Oldguy was speaking only of his personal viewpoint. Which is different from yours. I don't see what the conflict is.



Also acceptable. So, why were you being so hostile with Oldguy when you simply disagreed with his viewpoint?




Man, defending Oldguy so much is making me feel sick in my mouth a little bit.

I may have been a bit harsh at oldguy but that is because after reading his posts I admit I was a bit pissy towards his opinion.

I was not disagreeing with his viewpoint I was disagreeing that opinions have to be based off facts (he posted it why you are trying to spin a defense for it I have no idea)
Or that some have more merit than others those are not opinions, He is talking facts or opinions based on facts hence my not even in the same ballpark statment.

Anyways I am done here this thread just sadly needs to die since its so far off track now its pointless to even try to get it back on track and its more about a debate on what is a valid opinion than the interview.

 

[MatchesMalone]

Honestly i haven't.

On the batboards he was always quite informative to back up his opinion. this is out of charactor and an attack on a fellow user.

He must have started at the batboards after Begins was out, because I never saw him there in the year I posted there.

And I think the fact that he was so nice over at the batboards had something to do with him having seen and liked that film.

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

He must have started at the batboards after Begins was out, because I never saw him there in the year I posted there.

And I think the fact that he was so nice over at the batboards had something to do with him having seen and liked that film.

could be..perhaps i'm being blindsighted..i like to look for the best in people.

 

[The Game]

could be..perhaps i'm being blindsighted..i like to look for the best in people.

Turning your back on OCP has made you soft

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Turning your back on OCP has made you soft

I guess so.

 

[Oldguy]

ok so ive re-read the thread..oldguy you are well aware that showtime was joking.whats got into you dude?

This attack which you have decided to launch on my friend here isn't like you..you have tried to provoke showtime and also metropolis man.. and i'm expecting you to jump on me too..

I like you Oldguy..you are an intelligent poster..to see you do what you have done takes any respect that you had away,Its twice in two days something like this has happend..once to me and the other to showtime last night..


i see a pattern forming.

OMFGAM, READ MY ORIGIONAL POST.

Come on Showtime, I thought you were more literate than that. Brandon is a puss for attempting to postpone the meeting due to a headache, not just for having one.

Some of you think it isn't a cowardly thing to do, while others do. It's all just people's opinions, there is no right or wrong. It's just Whack Arnolds expressing himself, you know just like when you or any of your "GAMers" go on and on ad infinitum about how great this still looks or that, how fantastic BR is and how perfect he is for the role.

See that second paragraph? I'm no longer specifically addressing Showtimes.

But Showtimes didn't think so, he thought I was addressing him specifically.

So he responded...

You're amazing. You've chosen to come at me with your Brandon Routh sucks agenda, you've got the wrong guy.

Which amused me to no end. To think that he would act so defensive, when I wasn't even talking to him, so I accused him of defending Routh, and do you know what, he started to. He could have immediately clarified that he was just joking around, but he didn't. Instead, he started cheerleading people that insulted me.

And the ball started rolling.

A day later and a dollar short, here's Robo with his chest puffed out ready to mediate and evaluate a dead horse. So with self-righteous indignation, you condemn my actions and take my respect away, all the while suspecting you will become my next "target."

Well if you don't want to be my next victim, why the hell do you confront me?

You were at one time an amusing mascot, Robo, but now your just an annoying self appointed mod with a napoleon complex, you god amoung men you.

You and your evaluations are irrelevant to me. Run along now, go moderate your palm some more.

 

[Oldguy]

Man, defending Oldguy so much is making me feel sick in my mouth a little bit.

How do you think I feel? Trying to have discussions with people who can't guage the merit of an opinion, that they're all equal and were all entitled to them.

Why do you think I don't post here very often? Common Sense 101 is my least favourite class to teach, and the failure rate around here is abyssmal.

 

[Showtime]

OMFGAM, READ MY ORIGIONAL POST.



See that second paragraph? I'm no longer specifically addressing Showtimes.

But Showtimes didn't think so, he thought I was addressing him specifically.

So he responded...



Which amused me to no end. To think that he would act so defensive, when I wasn't even talking to him, so I accused him of defending Routh, and do you know what, he started to. He could have immediately clarified that he was just joking around, but he didn't. Instead, he started cheerleading people that insulted me.

And the ball started rolling.

A day later and a dollar short, here's Robo with his chest puffed out ready to mediate and evaluate a dead horse. So with self-righteous indignation, you condemn my actions and take my respect away, all the while suspecting you will become my next "target."

Well if you don't want to be my next victim, why the hell do you confront me?

You were at one time an amusing mascot, Robo, but now your just an annoying self appointed mod with a napoleon complex, you god amoung men you.

You and your evaluations are irrelevant to me. Run along now, go moderate your palm some more.

Actually, re-read the second paragraph...you are addressing me? I'll make it really big for you.

It's just Whack Arnolds expressing himself, you know just like when you

or any of your "GAMers" go on and on ad infinitum about how great this still looks or that, how fantastic BR is and how perfect he is for the role

.

 

[Showtime]

See that second paragraph? I'm no longer specifically addressing Showtimes.But Showtimes didn't think so, he thought I was addressing him specifically.


So he responded...

Which amused me to no end. To think that he would act so defensive, when I wasn't even talking to him, so I accused him of defending Routh, and do you know what, he started to. He could have immediately clarified that he was just joking around, but he didn't. Instead, he started cheerleading people that insulted me.

The problem is that Whack Arnold realized I was joking, and if you read the rest of the posts...why do I need to spell it out for you.

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

You see oldguy..your letting yourself down with this damn Attitude you are giving out..it doesn't suit you..whatever your reasons for this pissy attitude towards GAM, "which has no power" its just for people who respect the hype. "yeah we respect the hype."


However you obviously quite threatend by it.

and adressing my Mod wannabe thing.. hmm maybe true.. but i have done quite alot with out having a Red name..you know why people listen? its called respect for the hype.

Oldguy..any respect you had of other respected members has gone..i look for the best in people..

i'm not sure why we defended you in another thread now.

 

[Oldguy]

Actually, re-read the second paragraph...you are addressing me? I'll make it really big for you.

You are right, I missed that I specifically addressed you thru your GAMers further in. I guess you missed it too, cause it took you a day to see it as well, or you would have pointed it out yesterday.

So, am I wrong? All I see you and your GAMers do is praise this film and denounce opinions that differ from your own. Not the case? Well you guys sure get defensive about it like it is.

 

[Showtime]

You are right, I missed that I specifically addressed you thru your GAMers further in. I guess you missed it too, cause it took you a day to see it as well, or you would have pointed it out yesterday.

So, am I wrong? All I see you and your GAMers do is praise this film and denounce opinions that differ from your own. Not the case? Well you guys sure get defensive about it like it is.

I did miss it until just right now, but it throws away alot of your comments in regards to you "not addressing" me personally and validates alot of my comments in regards to you attacking me directly. I also was a bit off my game.

I was defensive because I felt you were attacking me about a thread that was days old towards a poster who obviously knew we were joking. Looking back on it my points are definately valid.

I can't speak for, "GAMers" or other posters, I can only speak for myself. You are wrong if you think I personally defend Routh to no end, but I know that nobody has time to read every post. I know he is not the "perfect" choice and as I have stated to you and others, I had numerous other choices for the character.

I think you are completely wrong by assuming that I don't allow others their opinion. You found on instance, that was a joke, and went nuthouse with it. I actually care about everyone's opinion, and you should know that because I have defended your's many times in the past.

 

[Oldguy]

The problem is that Whack Arnold realized I was joking, and if you read the rest of the posts...why do I need to spell it out for you.

What you could spell out for me is why didn't you point out to me right away?

Read over our little exchange again, you don't mention that you and Whack were joking until your 9th response to me. You spend the other 8 argueing with me about whether or not a man is a wimp for bailing on an important meeting due to headache.

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

^^

you see..your so much better when your not insulting.

 

[Showtime]

What you could spell out for me is why didn't you point out to me right away?

Read over our little exchange again, you don't mention that you and Whack were joking until your 9th response to me. You spend the other 8 argueing with me about whether or not a man is a wimp for bailing on an important meeting due to headache.

This is true, because I thought the headaches was irrelevant to the casting of Routh.

 

[Showtime]

^^

you see..your so much better when your not insulting.

That is the Oldguy I know and love.

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

So, am I wrong? All I see you and your GAMers do is praise this film and denounce opinions that differ from your own. Not the case? Well you guys sure get defensive about it like it is.

you see the problem with you saying we praise everything that Routh does or the film is wrong..if you botherd to read other posts in other threads..you would find that i personally had to warm to the costume and Routh.

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

That is the Oldguy I know and love.

I personally have to say..although i have beated my chest a little..i quite like Oldguy..just his attitude to Gam is Wrong,he makes us out to be some kind of hit squad.

 

[Fatboy Roberts]

There's a clinic just a couple pages back, if you guys remember

 

[Oldguy]

...I can't speak for, "GAMers" or other posters, I can only speak for myself. You are wrong if you think I personally defend Routh to no end, but I know that nobody has time to read every post. I know he is not the "perfect" choice and as I have stated to you and others, I had numerous other choices for the character.

Then WTF are you doing associating yourself with a self-inflated fool like Robo? I suspect he enjoys the reputation of objectivity that you bring, is it his ever present loyalty that you seek?

 

[Oldguy]

you see the problem with you saying we praise everything that Routh does or the film is wrong..if you botherd to read other posts in other threads..you would find that i personally had to warm to the costume and Routh.

Yes you conformed to the masses, because you have no opinion. Now you choose to act as self appointed moderator, oh right out of respect for the Hype. It wouldn't be for any less alturistic reason, oh no not at all.

It's not like power isn't it's own aphrodisiac or anything.

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Then WTF are you doing associating yourself with a self-inflated fool like Robo? I suspect he enjoys the reputation of objectivity that you bring, is it his ever present loyalty that you seek?

hahahahaha.



you really don't know me at all.