New pics of Toby with the black suit . . . Does this mimic Superman III?

[Abaddon]

SM1 had enough cheese to make BB the better film.

 

[Spider-Bite]

As did Superman when Jonathan Kent dies, remember? (I'm speaking form the movie's origin of course.) He said, "All these powers, and i couldn't save him." He felt like dookie-on-a-stick, and guilty at the same time. So again, there's another similar trait that both characters embody. Read up on Superman's history, and i'm sure you'll come to the same conclusion, or at least agree with some of the points i made.

well it sounds like the superman movie copied spider-man and not the other way around. I don't know what happened in the comic books of superman way back. but I do know that you can only accuse raimi of copying the spider-man comics right there.

was SuperMan bieng selfish what caused the death of Jonathan kent?

 

[Spider-Bite]

Because they've had some of the SAME adventures as superheroes. They've both been cloned, (Superman's clone is Bizzaro), killed, and have two of the best arch nemesis in Lex Luthor and Norman Osborn in all of comics (No direspect to the Joker or Doc Ock!). As i staed earlier, they're so much alike its' ridiculous! But that doesn't mean that they're movie franchises are alike though. Sure, certain scenes may've had some similarities, but they still maintain their unique identities as a whole.

Let Luxthor is nowhere near Joker, Ock, Venom, green goblin.

 

[Cmill216]

Let Luxthor is nowhere near Joker, Ock, Venom, green goblin.

Actually....he kind of is. In notoriety, he's right there with the Joker in terms of most well known comic book villain.

 

[Dr. Weir]

So changing your hair makes you look more evil?

I wouldn't say he looks evil, but he looks sick as in unwell.

 

[Dr. Weir]

Let Luxthor is nowhere near Joker, Ock, Venom, green goblin.

your kidding right?!

Ock, Venom and especially goblin are nowhere near Luthor in terms of notoriaty.

 

[Carnotaur3]

What's wrong with the emo hair if it's supposed so showcase Peter as evil... EMO IS EVIL!

 

[ultimatefan]

Oh, this crap again... Peter had stories with powers loss and dumping his costume in the sixties, and suddenly it´s a Superman II rip-off... You people do remember that Spidey wore a black suit and got a darker behavior way back in the eighties, right?

 

[Cmill216]

It was a natural progression for them to go with the "Spidey No More" storyline in SM2. He accepted his destiny, but did he REALLY no how much he'd have to sacrifice?

And now in SM3, he's fully accepted the sacrifices (as has Mary Jane), but what happens when that power you were blessed/cursed with becomes corrupted? Hence, the symbiote.

 

[ultimatefan]

It was a natural progression for them to go with the "Spidey No More" storyline in SM2. He accepted his destiny, but did he REALLY no how much he'd have to sacrifice?

And now in SM3, he's fully accepted the sacrifices (as has Mary Jane), but what happens when that power you were blessed/cursed with becomes corrupted? Hence, the symbiote.

Yeah, it´s a natural progress of the story.

 

[BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN]

SM1 had enough cheese to make BB the better film.

HA-HA! Well i ain't mad at'cha for sayin' that! Batman is more PG-13/Rated R compared to Spidey, who's a more family friendly hero- though misunderstood. Bats is more Dirty Harry with a kick ass costume, and cool ass gadgets to boot- so you got me there!

 

[Abysstare]

First, for the one poster that suggested Raimi had nothing to do with the story development for this film, that's flat out incorrect. He developed the story with his brother. A script writer took over from there.

Second, having seen the Superman flicks and the Spidey flicks, and having collected comics since the late 70s, there is no doubt in my mind that Raimi has been influenced by the Superman flicks. You can see it in the storytelling, the scenes, and the story arcs. I'd be influenced by them as well. There is not a chance that he wasn't aware of Superman II dealing with Supes loss of his powers when he drafted Spider-Man II. He'd probably even admit to it. So considering Superman III dealt with a Superman under the influence of red kryptonite, do I think it's sheer coincidence that Spider-Man III will be dealing with Spider-Man under the influence of a black symbiote? Of course not.

Now all that said, I don't think it matters all that much. While there are parallels and similarities, the Spidey movies are different enough and the Superman flicks were made long enough ago that it's not really a huge issue. I'm not going to say it's not an issue at ALL, but not a major one.

Besides, let's face it, all superhero comics lift from each other after a while, so this becomes a pointless argument if you look at it that way. I'm sure "Superman Returns" will lift a page or two from the "Spider-Man" movie textbook as it were.

As for why would Raimi utilize a storyline that didn't work the first time, ala Superman III, probably because he hopes to do it RIGHT. After all, it's not the idea, but the execution of the idea that failed.

So fingers crossed for a kick-ass third issue of this cinematic comic-book.

 

[James"007"Bond]

Because they've had some of the SAME adventures as superheroes. They've both been cloned, (Superman's clone is Bizzaro), killed, and have two of the best arch nemesis in Lex Luthor and Norman Osborn in all of comics (No direspect to the Joker or Doc Ock!). As i staed earlier, they're so much alike its' ridiculous! But that doesn't mean that they're movie franchises are alike though. Sure, certain scenes may've had some similarities, but they still maintain their unique identities as a whole.

Yeah I know they share similar adventures, all superheroes do most of the time but their movie franchises are alike. Its as clear as day, make the comparrisons yourself and you'll see. It doesn't help either with Raimi shooting his mouth off about paying homage all the freakin time and with SR coming out I think its about time Raimi stopped with all the homage crap for supes and actually started paying homage to the spider-man source material.

 

[TheBat812]

Where are these new pics of Tobey with the black suit?

 

[Batspider77]

Where are these new pics of Tobey with the black suit?

Go to "Peter Parkers Photo Gallery"

 

[zanos]

Let's not forget that the Sam also molded his Peter Parker after the Clark Kent character from the superman movies.

 

[Ninjashadow]

Go to "Peter Parkers Photo Gallery"

Pardon my stupidity, but could you post a link? I can't seem to find the pics, either.

 

[Ninjashadow]

Nevermind, I found it.

 

[ZER0C00L]

First, for the one poster that suggested Raimi had nothing to do with the story development for this film, that's flat out incorrect. He developed the story with his brother. A script writer took over from there.

Second, having seen the Superman flicks and the Spidey flicks, and having collected comics since the late 70s, there is no doubt in my mind that Raimi has been influenced by the Superman flicks. You can see it in the storytelling, the scenes, and the story arcs. I'd be influenced by them as well. There is not a chance that he wasn't aware of Superman II dealing with Supes loss of his powers when he drafted Spider-Man II. He'd probably even admit to it. So considering Superman III dealt with a Superman under the influence of red kryptonite, do I think it's sheer coincidence that Spider-Man III will be dealing with Spider-Man under the influence of a black symbiote? Of course not.

Now all that said, I don't think it matters all that much. While there are parallels and similarities, the Spidey movies are different enough and the Superman flicks were made long enough ago that it's not really a huge issue. I'm not going to say it's not an issue at ALL, but not a major one.

Besides, let's face it, all superhero comics lift from each other after a while, so this becomes a pointless argument if you look at it that way. I'm sure "Superman Returns" will lift a page or two from the "Spider-Man" movie textbook as it were.

As for why would Raimi utilize a storyline that didn't work the first time, ala Superman III, probably because he hopes to do it RIGHT. After all, it's not the idea, but the execution of the idea that failed.

So fingers crossed for a kick-ass third issue of this cinematic comic-book.

yeah and then Rami will mimic superman 4 and have Spider man Vs Venom.

 

[ultimatefan]

Yeah I know they share similar adventures, all superheroes do most of the time but their movie franchises are alike. Its as clear as day, make the comparrisons yourself and you'll see. It doesn't help either with Raimi shooting his mouth off about paying homage all the freakin time and with SR coming out I think its about time Raimi stopped with all the homage crap for supes and actually started paying homage to the spider-man source material.

Which is EXACTLY what he´s doing, Pete giving up on being Spidey is a storyline from the comics and so is the black symbiote... geez...

 

[Duende Verde]

To all the fan boys, at least get your facts right if you're going to compare it to Superman III.
There was no red kryptonite in the third movie, it was synthetic green kryptonite laced with tar.:P

 

[Steelsheen]

Actually....he kind of is. In notoriety, he's right there with the Joker in terms of most well known comic book villain.

damn right!

 

[Jlandsw]

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Following the link on the homepage, you see Toby changing into the black suit (sort of). He looks all greasy, frumpy, unkempt, etc. In part II he lost his powers like Superman. Now in this one he looks like he's turning evil like Supes did in Superman III. I know it's just coincidence since that happened to Peter in the Ultimate storyline, but I wonder if people will start to wonder that Sam can't come up with any original plot lines.

LMAO, Spider-Man 4 - Spiderman takes on Nuclear Man!!!

 

[SLYspyder]

quite frankly, in the public eye, none of the villains are well known.

 

[Tony Stark]

LOL! I should have seen this threat, as I posted that on the Pete pics thread.

However, I really doubt Raimi is paying homage to Superman III.

In the comics wasn't it red kryptonite in the comics that turned Superman bad? In Superman III, it's Kryptonite laced with Nicotine! LMAO!!! Damn those people at Philip Morris!