New pics of Toby with the black suit . . . Does this mimic Superman III?

[ultimatefan]

awesome...

Not really. Spider-Man has done the shirt rip to reveal his chest symbol in the comics, too, even during the Stan Lee age. Chest symbol is a superhero trademark, most of them have one and did the shirt rip thing at one point or another. It just happens to be more associated with Supes than other ones.

 

[The Shape]

Not really. Spider-Man has done the shirt rip to reveal his chest symbol in the comics, too, even during the Stan Lee age. Chest symbol is a superhero trademark, most of them have one and did the shirt rip thing at one point or another. It just happens to be more associated with Supes than other ones.

good point. the chest symbol is important to most heroes. nearly all famous superheros have chest symbols. and they are all important to the heroes.

i wouldn't say spider-man's "trademark" is his mask. and what does it matter if something in a spidey movie is similar to something in a superman movie.

spidey > supes, anyway.

 

[Cmill216]

i wouldn't say spider-man's "trademark" is his mask.

 

[The Shape]

how does that comfirm that its his trademark?

idk...when i hear spider-man. i think...webswinging. his suit in general, covered in the webbing. his mocking of villains. the spidey symbol. his eyepiece.

he doesn't have a single trademark.

 

[Cmill216]

how does that comfirm that its his trademark?

idk...when i hear spider-man. i think...webswinging. his suit in general, covered in the webbing. his mocking of villains. the spidey symbol. his eyepiece.

he doesn't have a single trademark.

Well, I could find more, but I just wanted to post that one.

 

[The Shape]

Well, I could find more, but I just wanted to post that one.

you could also find dozens of covers featuring his chest symbol, or him shooting a web.

that cover doesn't mean anything. but its all good.

 

[ultimatefan]

The most striking thing about that cover is his lenses, and Spidey´s lenses being reflective is actually a relatively recent thing, they seemed opaque for most of his history.

 

[The Shape]

The most striking thing about that cover is his lenses, and Spidey´s lenses being reflective is actually a relatively recent thing, they seemed opaque for most of his history.

that's true.

 

[stillanerd]

The most striking thing about that cover is his lenses, and Spidey´s lenses being reflective is actually a relatively recent thing, they seemed opaque for most of his history.

It's mostly how the eyepieces are interpreted. According to Stan Lee himself, who was asked this question several times, wrote in the Amazing Spider-Man Annual #1 in the "Secrets of Spider-Man" section that the white eyes of his mask are "clever plastic lenses of the two-way mirror type." Some have interpreted them, like Tom Deflaco in his "Spider-Man: The Ultimate Guide" takes that statement literally, and says that the eyepieces are actual "one-way mirrors [Peter] found in the drama class's old prop box."

 

[MST3KPIMP]

Not really. Spider-Man has done the shirt rip to reveal his chest symbol in the comics, too, even during the Stan Lee age. Chest symbol is a superhero trademark, most of them have one and did the shirt rip thing at one point or another. It just happens to be more associated with Supes than other ones.

A chest symbol can attributed to almost anyone but the way Raimi has him do it on film is not in the spirit of the comics but rather the structure & tone of Richard Donner's Superman. There is a significant difference there that can't be explained away with references to a particular issue of a comicbook.

 

[Spawn187]

This will be better than supes

 

[ultimatefan]

It's mostly how the eyepieces are interpreted. According to Stan Lee himself, who was asked this question several times, wrote in the Amazing Spider-Man Annual #1 in the "Secrets of Spider-Man" section that the white eyes of his mask are "clever plastic lenses of the two-way mirror type." Some have interpreted them, like Tom Deflaco in his "Spider-Man: The Ultimate Guide" takes that statement literally, and says that the eyepieces are actual "one-way mirrors [Peter] found in the drama class's old prop box."

What I mean is they have looked opaque for most of his comics history.

 

[Spider-Bite]

. It just happens to be more associated with Supes than other ones.

and the only reason for that is that the supes movies came out a long time ago before the rescent age of super heroe movies. If your wearing a button shirt the typical way to take off your shirt is the way it was done in the movie. How is that copying SuperMan? If anything he's copying the way I take off my shirt.

 

[SentinelMind]

Spidey never "lost" his powers over a woman in the comic. He gave up being Spider-man willingly because he was so underappreciated and constantly being attacked in the media and blamed for stuff. Raimi cleared ripped off Superman 2. Why is this simple fact escaping everyone?



Peter did use his powers to help win a fight so that he could buy a car. I guess you could call this self gain but greed? Did Peter come off as someone who wouldn't help someone if given the chance? Everyone wants to and needs to make money. Why shouldn't he? He let that robber go out of vengence for not getting paid not because he was too self centered to bother. This was one of the biggest blunders in the first that not many ppl catch on to.

This is Peter still being arrogant, just not as extreme in the comics. This happens right after he beats up Flash....he becomes too arrogant for his own good, ignores the lesson his uncle was trying to tell him about being responsible and not treating others like dirt with his gifts simply because you can. I think the change made for some good storytelling it that in it emphasized heat of the passion emotional revenge ISN'T justice... I don't know if most people would have done the same thing in his place, but if it does, that says a lot about society. I find that more dramatic and real than a simple "I'm a supercelebrity....I'm too good to put my left foot back and trip the criminal running from the cops". But each to his own...

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

Not really. Spider-Man has done the shirt rip to reveal his chest symbol in the comics, too, even during the Stan Lee age. Chest symbol is a superhero trademark, most of them have one and did the shirt rip thing at one point or another. It just happens to be more associated with Supes than other ones.

I'm sorry but spidey's mask is way way way more important to his character than his chest symbot which started out small and unnoticeable.

even look at the smileys here on a superhero board

spideys:
supes:

spiderman is simply parker in a spiderman costume without his mask, it's been addressed in the films comic and adaptation that the strength, will, cunning, bravery and heroic aspects of the character all fade once the mask in taken off.

besides, the running into the camera shot unbuttoning one's top has only been done in one superhero film franchise thus far and whatever your interpretation of whether it belongs to supes or any other character, the exact same shots were mimmiced by spidey in both films and most likely this one, in the first one, you don't even see him putting his mask on, i mean wtf is that all about???? The chest emblem takes over completely.

here's a pure example. parker giving up his costume in spidey 2 would have made no impact whatsoever if he had not left his mask. The same scene could have worked entirely if he solely left his mask.

the chest piece truelly does take a back seat in this one, or at least it should, it's only brought to life as much as it is because of the supes films.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

you could also find dozens of covers featuring his chest symbol, or him shooting a web.

that cover doesn't mean anything. but its all good.

i'm almost certain there are more focusing on his mask/face being uncovered than chest symbols.

oh and when i mean a trait, i mean a costume trait.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

 

[Reikowolf]

*sigh* those are awesome covers.. I wish I was alive back then



I need a time machine

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

these are the ones i thought were focusing on mask or his face more. there are quite a few. and they are only from ASM. I would have used more but those are debatable.

for me it shows spidey has been hand in hand with his mask for a long while, there definitely aren't any major ones that focus on his chest or the big reveal.

 

[Reikowolf]

good work

it's true that the spider ont he chest is never really been a major focus.. if you really look at it... it's kind of a lazy design.

the eyes and mask seem to be the predominant figures to define Spidey.. even being the watermark for his series of comics for a long time (mid 90's)

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

haha, i stand corrected, i do have a reveal pic...

typical supes wripping off in this one as well...

 

[Odin's Lapdog]