New pics of Toby with the black suit . . . Does this mimic Superman III?

[spideydave]

First, for the one poster that suggested Raimi had nothing to do with the story development for this film, that's flat out incorrect. He developed the story with his brother. A script writer took over from there.

Second, having seen the Superman flicks and the Spidey flicks, and having collected comics since the late 70s, there is no doubt in my mind that Raimi has been influenced by the Superman flicks. You can see it in the storytelling, the scenes, and the story arcs. I'd be influenced by them as well. There is not a chance that he wasn't aware of Superman II dealing with Supes loss of his powers when he drafted Spider-Man II. He'd probably even admit to it. So considering Superman III dealt with a Superman under the influence of red kryptonite, do I think it's sheer coincidence that Spider-Man III will be dealing with Spider-Man under the influence of a black symbiote? Of course not.

Now all that said, I don't think it matters all that much. While there are parallels and similarities, the Spidey movies are different enough and the Superman flicks were made long enough ago that it's not really a huge issue. I'm not going to say it's not an issue at ALL, but not a major one.

Besides, let's face it, all superhero comics lift from each other after a while, so this becomes a pointless argument if you look at it that way. I'm sure "Superman Returns" will lift a page or two from the "Spider-Man" movie textbook as it were.

As for why would Raimi utilize a storyline that didn't work the first time, ala Superman III, probably because he hopes to do it RIGHT. After all, it's not the idea, but the execution of the idea that failed.

So fingers crossed for a kick-ass third issue of this cinematic comic-book.

Damn right!

 

[Cmill216]

Nice work, Odin.

I was going to go over some of those exact same covers, and a few Ultimate ones.

 

[November Rain]

a lil overboard but i think an underlying point was made...

 

[CrashNburn]

cool pic

 

[TROCK121980]

That Is Cool

 

[Spider-Bite]

Originally Posted by Abysstare

Second, having seen the Superman flicks and the Spidey flicks, and having collected comics since the late 70s, there is no doubt in my mind that Raimi has been influenced by the Superman flicks. You can see it in the storytelling, the scenes, and the story arcs. I'd be influenced by them as well. There is not a chance that he wasn't aware of Superman II dealing with Supes loss of his powers when he drafted Spider-Man II. He'd probably even admit to it. So considering Superman III dealt with a Superman under the influence of red kryptonite, do I think it's sheer coincidence that Spider-Man III will be dealing with Spider-Man under the influence of a black symbiote? Of course not.

I think peter dealing with the symbiote is simply a matter of Sony forcing Raimi to introduce Venom in this movie. Raimi kind of has no choice in this matter.

 

[Reikowolf]

I think peter dealing with the symbiote is simply a matter of Sony forcing Raimi to introduce Venom in this movie. Raimi kind of has no choice in this matter.

yes I agree... Raimi has no choice

he's only the story writer/ director

dude... sony can persuade Raimi.. and maybe they have.. but he always has a choice.

that's why they compromise

 

[Chris Wallace]

Ok-so In What Comic Did Pa Kent Die & Supes Felt Responsible?

 

[Reikowolf]

nope

 

[Spider-Fan]

Ok-so In What Comic Did Pa Kent Die & Supes Felt Responsible?

He did in Smallville.

 

[Reikowolf]

He did in Smallville.

yeah but according to smallville.. everyone superman will ever fight has seen him as clark kent

 

[CrashNburn]

Yep, And That's The Only Part That Bums Me Out About That Show. It's Still My Favorite Show Though!...somebody...saveeee..me!

 

[Reikowolf]

i still say they should have introduced bruce wayne as a business rival to lex and have lex leave for metropolis to prevent wayne corp from taking over.. meanwhile you could have a cool episode where clark meets bruce.. and bruce is in a full out black gear.. (no batman suit) and he's still training to become batman.. trying to find out if lex is ont he level.. or something detective like



then have brianiac try to perform something to destroy the planet.. clark has to stop him.. and in doing so wears the cape for the first time.. he saves the world as well as introduces himself as the man of steal

 

[CrashNburn]

I've Been Dying To See Bruce Wayne Show Up. Not Sure Why They Wouldnt Put Him In An Episode Or Two. Definitely Would Have Been Cool To See!

 

[Jakomus]

nope

He did in Superman: The Movie.

 

[CrashNburn]

I Think You're Right But Not 100 Percent Sure.

 

[Jakomus]

I Think You're Right But Not 100 Percent Sure.

Pa Kent died of a heart attack. Superman felt bad because despite having all that power, he still couldn't save Pa Kent.

 

[Spider-Bite]

yes I agree... Raimi has no choice

he's only the story writer/ director

dude... sony can persuade Raimi.. and maybe they have.. but he always has a choice.

that's why they compromise

Raimi has superiors too you know. Sony's only the owners. No Raimi doesn't have a choice. If he doesn't do what they say, they'll kick him off the project and hire somebody else.

Raimi didn't want Venom, Sony did. There is no compromise in there, unless you call half a venom a compromise.

"Okay what if we only kind of have Venom, but not really? Is that a good compromise?"

 

[TheVileOne]

Raimi has superiors too you know. Sony's only the owners. No Raimi doesn't have a choice. If he doesn't do what they say, they'll kick him off the project and hire somebody else.

Raimi didn't want Venom, Sony did. There is no compromise in there, unless you call half a venom a compromise.

"Okay what if we only kind of have Venom, but not really? Is that a good compromise?"

Why is it Sony? What about the fans?

The fans are the ones demanding Venom. Not Sony.

 

[jeaf7]

dam...lay off the dam cover pictures..this threads suppose to be about spider-man s black suit...

 

[ComicKoryn]

From what I've read and seen, it doesn't appear to be the case that the symbiote is in this movie, so it's got me thinking, why else would Spiderman be wearing a black suit and look like major crap in the movie?

I'm thinking someone dies, and he's mourning their death by wearing a black suit just as someone would who's going to a funeral. The question is, who dies...who indeed.

 

[Green Goblin 1964]

From what I've read and seen, it doesn't appear to be the case that the symbiote is in this movie, so it's got me thinking, why else would Spiderman be wearing a black suit and look like major crap in the movie?

I'm thinking someone dies, and he's mourning their death by wearing a black suit just as someone would who's going to a funeral. The question is, who dies...who indeed.

not this mourning crap again

 

[ComicKoryn]

oh sorry, did someone else already post a similiar idea...I'm kinda new to the Spiderman section of the boards. Don't mind me if it's already been brought up.

 

[HighVoltage]

plus, the superman movies are too old for anyone to reasonably compare them.

You´re Right.

 

[James"007"Bond]

I'm starting to see why you were banned the first time around. You continue to belittle the opinions of others because they don't share your golden view.

It's so lovely that you don't like these movies, but don't go calling people "jokers" because they are oh so silly to think other wise about these films.

No clown, I used the word, jokers because certain people are saying that there aren't any blatant "similarities", I prefer the word, ripoffs of the supes movies when there clearly are. So know what your saying before you even think about trying to adress me.