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After watching this movie several times now, I can honestly say I love it. At first I was with everyone else in thinking, well, that is wasn't good at all. I'm not sure why I felt the urge to watch it again after the first time, but I'm glad I did. This is definitely a film you need to see more then once, you're gonna miss too many things the first time. The script is really smart and even at 2 and a half hours, it packs details into every minute, wasting no time.
To me, this is not only a superman movie, but I think it's the smartest comic book film I've ever seen. It's really more of a deconstruction of the superhero genre. It takes time away from the action to talk about the issues that previous CB movies skip over. I fully believe that if a Superman actually existed, he wouldn't be very happy with how humanity would treat him. Past depictions of a just always good Superman never felt right to me, it's impossible to relate to someone who's always good.
I also see a big difference between Superman and Batman here. The former is very unsure of himself and of his place among humanity. Batman is not, he's comfortable and has no doubts about what he does and who he is. Luther was the best part of the movie for me. He stole the show with his psychotic and subtly menacing antics. While Keaton will probably always be the best Batman to me, Affleck did a very good job here.
I personally don't feel this movie is as good as the MOS, but it is very good in it's own right.
Just came back from my second viewing. I think I have to update my score.
So many things on my mind. I was supposed to go with a couple of friends in IMAX, they rescheduled it to next week. I couldn't wait and I invited another friend of mine who is not a fan of comic books. He was skeptical when I first asked him if he wanted to go because he's heard stuff about this movie, but he decided to go.
After the movie, he said it's "really good" and far better than what he expected. He had a couple of questions, obviously. He said he's glad I "dragged" him to see the movie even though he was kinda skeptical.
As for me, for some reason, the editing issues were non existent this time around. I felt everything transitioned much more smoothly except for 2 instances. Also, Lex Luthor was far less annoying and I dug his performance even more. I paid attention to action this time around and it blew my mind even more.
The first time I saw it, I felt like the first 10 minutes were action sequences followed by a long 1 hour drama and it kinda felt exhausting. This time though, it somehow had a pattern. Black Zero event, some drama, Superman action intro, some drama, Batman action intro, some drama, Batmobile chase, some drama, etc. You get the idea. I found the time to breath between intense sequences. I think it is probably because I paid attention this time around and let myself loose. The court room sequence was surprisingly even more shocking, even though I saw it coming. I noticed the build up of tension this time around. Zack Snyder is no hack. He had to juggle too many sequences and I think he did his best. The end of Batman Superman fight was kinda quick the first time. This time, I got the idea that Batman realized it was Lex's plan all along. The "Nobody stay good" line and the sacrifice still made me tear up.
Doomsday Battle - The most EPIC boss battle in cinematic history in my opinion.
Time to change my score. I am going to see it a third time next Wednesday before waiting for the extended cut and waiting for other movies (The Jungle Book, Civil War).
Guys, you're making me want to go and watch it for the 4th time.![]()
Hope you are doing fine!
4 times over a week and a half? I am jealous.![]()
Excalibur (1981) is shown on the marquee at the theater ("Coming Wednesday") on the night Batman's parents are killed. Excalibur is an incredibly faithful adaptation of Le Morte d'Arthur.
In the end Batman slams the spear into the ground (stone). He pulls the spear out of the ground before he attacks Superman (sword from stone). After he realizes he's become the bad guy, he abandons the spear the same way Arthur did after he abused its power to defeat Lancelot. Lois is the lady of the lake, tossing the spear into the water and then having to get it back before the final fight. The fight between Batman vs Superman is similar to the fight between Lancelot and Arthur (two good guys fighting against each other due to hubris and passion, eventually reconciling to fight the main bad guy)
Doomsday is Mordred. In the end Superman stabs Doomsday and gets stabbed in return, and Superman impales himself further to stab Doomsday through the back and kill him, same way the fight between Mordred and Arthur goes. Doomsday's unnatural creation also mirrors how Morgana created Mordred to some degree.
There may have been more I missed.
I don't see the point of posting this in the other threads.
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Doomsday vs Superman heat vision battle (I missed this scene the first time I saw it)
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