Sequels New Raimi Interview

[Advanced Dark]

Exactly, and Connors isn't just a Lizard. That's his given name in the comic books. If he was just a lizard he'd be about 5 inches long and running on my fence. Last time I checked Lizards don't wear lab coats either.

 

[Spider-Fan]

How is a large lizard humanoid going to be scary without menacing teeth Is he going to gum people to death The first Lizard you showed had a motive of wanting to populate the Earth with fellow lizard people...and that plot is dumb and should never be in a movie. Secondly, lizards do have teeth and when you scale it up to a 7 foot monster...the teeth will be significantly bigger. But I agree with villians killing, GG did it.

I don't disagree with villains killing...I disagree with villains killing in R-rated fashions. GG and Ock didn't kill anyone in a R-rated manner. Where I have the problem is not GG killing someone with a bomb. It is when someone like GG throws the bomb, and the person's skin gruesomely melts off as they scream in pain, with the Goblin then decapitating him and drinking the blood from the head. I know this example is over the top, but I think you get the idea.

 

[Advanced Dark]

I don't disagree with villains killing...I disagree with villains killing in R-rated fashions. GG and Ock didn't kill anyone in a R-rated manner. Where I have the problem is not GG killing someone with a bomb. It is when someone like GG throws the bomb, and the person's skin gruesomely melts off as they scream and pain, with the Goblin then decapitating him and drinking the blood from the head. I know this example is over the top, but I think you get the idea.

And cursing and raping the burning corpse while shooting heroin. LOL

 

[Spider-Fan]

And cursing and raping the burning corpse while shooting heroin. LOL

I knew I forgot something t:

 

[chaseter]

I don't disagree with villains killing...I disagree with villains killing in R-rated fashions. GG and Ock didn't kill anyone in a R-rated manner. Where I have the problem is not GG killing someone with a bomb. It is when someone like GG throws the bomb, and the person's skin gruesomely melts off as they scream in pain, with the Goblin then decapitating him and drinking the blood from the head. I know this example is over the top, but I think you get the idea.

You have a sick mind my friend.

But for the people who don't want Lizard to have scary teeth...WTF!?

 

[Spider-Fan]

You have a sick mind my friend.

But for the people who don't want Lizard to have scary teeth...WTF!?

I get that a lot t:

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I don't disagree with villains killing...I disagree with villains killing in R-rated fashions. GG and Ock didn't kill anyone in a R-rated manner. Where I have the problem is not GG killing someone with a bomb. It is when someone like GG throws the bomb, and the person's skin gruesomely melts off as they scream in pain, with the Goblin then decapitating him and drinking the blood from the head. I know this example is over the top, but I think you get the idea.

agreed, and what you said about the skin melting off, thats gross, lol. t:

 

[antonydelfini]

Show me one comic where Electro tortures someone to death like that, cause I have never seen that. You guys just want over the top dark for the sake of making these movies appear less kid friendly and be cooler (get the "OMG! Electro totally tortured that guy, awesome" effect), when in fact, until now Spidey comics were very kid friendly.

It is not a matter of having balls or not, but a matter of keeping the spirit and tone of the character correct. Even the darker parts of Spidey's history can be done PG-13, but some of you just want R for the sake of having R. Do we need to see the head of the guy Carnage decapitated? Or the mangled body of someone the Lizard killed (though he only really did those things in Torment)? My answer is no, alluding to it and flashing away from the gruesome points is just fine.

Spider-Man is not an R character period. You can say I have no balls all you want, but I don't want to see an R rated Spider-Man movie (doesn't fit the character), and I think many would be put off by that just like me.

Holy cow! Are you the only one with sense here? Visionary, you disturb me with your R rated Spidey fantasies! I mean, gosh, you can talk about that stuff about batman, but bringing the 'R' into Spidey is crazy! Stan lee would kick you in the ass man!

 

[UltimateJustin]

I dont think a whole lot of people would suggest that the Spiderman films dont match the tone of the 60's comics that they are based on. I dont know where you are reading these violent Spiderman comics. The most violent thing thats going to happen in a Spiderman comic is he'll lose an eye and then go into a cocoon, and even that would make more sense on film than your fourh grade concept of an R rated Spiderman film hit.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Spiderman has never, and will never be R-rated, and i dont particularly want it to be either. Spiderman 3 could have been darker with the same rating, its just that the film-makers messed that aspect of the movie up.

 

[Visionary]

Then expect them to mess it up again, as long as they're catering to kids and the selling of Spider-Twinkies. The idea of the R-rating is so that the writers can actually focus on making a stronger, more mature and intense script, without worrying about Sony/Marvel's 100s of licensing partners waitng to sell Spider-Toys to tots.

Again, why do we need an R-rating or making villains do over-the-top evil things to make villains seem more evil?

You can actually watch the villains in these movies, and say that with a straight face, sheesh? There has been multiple threads asking are Spider-Man villains really bad. Not to mention, Avi Arad saying that our villains are not really bad.

 

[Visionary]

Holy cow! Are you the only one with sense here? Visionary, you disturb me with your R rated Spidey fantasies! I mean, gosh, you can talk about that stuff about batman, but bringing the 'R' into Spidey is crazy! Stan lee would kick you in the ass man!

Stan Lee absolutely LOVED, let me repeat that "ABSOLUTELY LOVED" James Cameron's R-RATED SPIDER-MAN scriptment. So, to say that he wouldn't be for it is completely asinine.

Actually, I'd like to see an R-rated Spidey, Bats, Supes and X-Men film. Because so far, on an intensity, dramatic and threatening level, these movies are *****.

 

[Gotham]

Yeah, I did hear something about Stan Lee loving the Cameron treatment. I do think he was a bit more excited about someone like James Cameron doing a Spider-Man film, though.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

Stan Lee absolutely LOVED, let me repeat that "ABSOLUTELY LOVED" James Cameron's R-RATED SPIDER-MAN scriptment. So, to say that he wouldn't be for it is completely asinine.

Actually, I'd like to see an R-rated Spidey, Bats, Supes and X-Men film. Because so far, on an intensity, dramatic and threatening level, these movies are *****.

R-rated X-Men
R-rated Batman
R-rated Spider-Man

There's certain comics where an R-rating would be appropriate. These include the aforementioned X-Men, Batman, Blade, Punisher, Green Arrow, The Hulk, Black Panther.

There's certain comics that are borderline; those that maybe shouldn't be rated-R, but could certainly border on it. Like Captain America, Green Lantern, and Iron Man.

And there's others that, while they should be made seriously, should stay safely within the realm of PG-13: Fantastic Four, Superman, Wonder Woman, Thor, The Flash, and Spider-Man.

An R-rating is not suitable for everything, and it's not even necessary to have an R-rating to have truly evil villains. The fact that none of the villains so far have been as good as they could have been has much less to do with the PG-13 rating and more to do with the direction they went with it in terms of writing.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Yeah and Stan Lee's actions led Marvel into bankruptcy by giving it away to Ron Perlman, and then he drove SLM into bankruptcy as well. He also liked makign Pam Anderson inspired comics. I'm sure the R rated script was a good script but whatever part of it made it R rated could be cut out without sacrificing the character whatsoever. This whole R rated spider-man argument is just for lack of a better word...******ed.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^ Yeah and Stan Lee's actions led Marvel into bankruptcy by giving it away to Ron Perlman, and then he drove SLM into bankruptcy as well. He also liked makign Pam Anderson inspired comics. I'm sure the R rated script was a good script but whatever part of it made it R rated could be cut out without sacrificing the character whatsoever. This whole R rated spider-man argument is just for lack of a better word...******ed.

Exactly, there isn't a good reason why these films should be R-rated. Villians can do evil things in the Spider-Man films and still have the film be a PG-13 rating. Take The Green Goblin for example. He scared the crap out of Aunt May, tried to kill MJ, killed people on balcony, etc. Those were evil things.

 

[Visionary]

^ Yeah and Stan Lee's actions led Marvel into bankruptcy by giving it away to Ron Perlman, and then he drove SLM into bankruptcy as well. He also liked makign Pam Anderson inspired comics. I'm sure the R rated script was a good script but whatever part of it made it R rated could be cut out without sacrificing the character whatsoever. This whole R rated spider-man argument is just for lack of a better word...******ed.

What are you rambling about? The fact is, the creator of Spider-Man loved the R-rated version. With the R-rated elements intact, not removed.

 

[Visionary]

R-rated X-Men
R-rated Batman
R-rated Spider-Man

There's certain comics where an R-rating would be appropriate. These include the aforementioned X-Men, Batman, Blade, Punisher, Green Arrow, The Hulk, Black Panther.

There's certain comics that are borderline; those that maybe shouldn't be rated-R, but could certainly border on it. Like Captain America, Green Lantern, and Iron Man.

And there's others that, while they should be made seriously, should stay safely within the realm of PG-13: Fantastic Four, Superman, Wonder Woman, Thor, The Flash, and Spider-Man.

An R-rating is not suitable for everything, and it's not even necessary to have an R-rating to have truly evil villains. The fact that none of the villains so far have been as good as they could have been has much less to do with the PG-13 rating and more to do with the direction they went with it in terms of writing.

I'm going to have to disagree with what you think should and shouldn't be R-rated, and "SAFELY" put into the realm of PG-13. It's the whole playing it "SAFE" part that I despise the most. I never said that the R-rating is suitable for everything. I think the writing for these films stems from the mentality of trying to make a family friendly movie, which is taking away the intensity, maturity and evil villains that would produce a much stronger script/film.

 

[UltimateJustin]

So in Spiderman 3, the Sandman should have been an escaped criminal mastermind who was rightfully convicted of running a child sex slave trade and continued to head the organization from behind bars which included members such as Dennis Caradine, the maniacal mass murderer who murdered Uncle Ben and ate portions of his skin and fingernails, OR SO WE THOUGHT ORIGINALLY. And under the influence of the evil and R-rated symbiote, Spiderman, fueled by agression and the shame of accidentally backhanding MJ, brutally rapes his ex-gf over a piano in one of the longest and loudest forced sex scenes in cinema history.
I see the advantages but it still doesnt fit the character.

 

[Visionary]

Where was all of this in Terminator 2, which was R-rated. Do you see how stupid you sound?

 

[UltimateJustin]

Where was all of this in Terminator 2, which was R-rated. Do you see how stupid you sound?

That was a million years ago when they still made kids action figures and cartoons for R rated characters (Terminator, Robocop, Rambo). All characters who didnt have a 40 year history of swinging around fighting corny villains and dealing with light hearted melodrama. I know you arent talking about something over the top like that, but you are asking to place Spiderman in the real world, where all suspension of disbelief would be impossible because Spiderman is too goofy and silly to exist in a gritty world.

I agree that they shouldnt pander to the licensees so much, not only because that can jeprodize the quality of the movie (Spidermans 3) but also because R rated movies and movies with questionable elements were sold to children successfully in the past and they could be today unless there is some kind of rule, but you are off on thinking that it would or should work for Spiderman.

 

[Visionary]

You have some of the most misguided and asinine reasons for not using an R-rating, as if the liquid metal man is real world stuff in T2, it's about as fictional as anything in Spidey's world. And an R-rating would work perfectly for Spider-Man, you would see that as Stan Lee has, if you can look pass the 5th grade writing that you're occustomed to. The history of Spider-Man has little to do with people flocking to see a movie of a different version (most people don't follow the funny books), that's not filled with cute and childish antics for the sake of catering to kids. People would still buy into Spidey (both kids & adults) just as much or probably more than they do now, because they would gather a greater respect for it, by not being talked down to.

 

[Magneto]

cool

 

[UltimateJustin]

T2 is a serious sci-fi movie and everyone bought that a super advanced T-1000 robot was in our world. Spiderman has cartoon ancillary characters like JJJ that make up his world. Would JJJ act the same silly way that is imperative to keeping him in character in your hard boiled R-rated epic?
You think MORE adults and children would flock to R-rated Spiderman movies? How many more people can they get, they all ready do about as well as any other movies out there. Even if the movies were twice as good as they are they wouldnt make twice as much money, theres only so much market and Spiderman has it "in his web" to put a phrase in quotes. And you are still forgetting that the 80's are gone. Kids cant go see R-rated movies anymore unless they buy a ticket to another movie, and then Sony doesnt get to eat, things are not as lax as they used to be. The Spiderman movies get away with enough violence and killing to sufficiently depict the villain as threatening and any more would be unnecessary.

 

[Spiderine]

They simply won't make Spidey rated R.