The Dark Knight Nolan Describes TDK Plot as 'Grim.'

[Cobblepot]

Wasn't there a comic with Batman and etrigan, where Etrigan was trying to kill him and Bats was holding him off and then when finally backed into a corner, instead of killing Batman, he kissed him? Am I dreaming this?

Tulpa, by Grant and Breyfogle.

 

[Dangerous]

Batman Returns - 40's era Batman (This Batman was pretty much the same, except for that it began to go 'out there' in some respects.)

Batman Begins - 70's era Batman (The era where Batman regained his darker roots, Began journeying outside of Gotham City, and acknowledging a real world outside of Gotham. Also where Ra's Al Ghul first appeared)

Hmmm, not so sure about these ones.

I considered BR to be quite reminiscent of the themes and imagery of early the 1990's Batman comics.

Whereas BB had a 1930's early batman flavour fleshed out w/ the 1980's Year One story.

 

[Dr. Fate]

Batman was grim before almost everybody else.

True that.

 

[explode7]

WOW!!! 7 pages on the word "Grim"

 

[Beelze]

WOW!!! 7 pages on the word "Grim"

Take that, dictionary!

 

[newwaveboy87]

don't forget "thesaurus"

 

[COMPO]

Hey i just found this out on www.**************.com:

Joker role to take on original comic book appearance

According to IGN sources, " The Dark Knight", follow-up to "Batman Begins", will appear to take on the story line of the first-two-comic books from the silver age(1939).
http://www.**************.com/images/news/batman-begins/batman-no1-cover_1159568289.jpg

It is clear that "Batman Begins" shows us the mythology of Bruce Wayne/ Batman, and the hidden demons that tourment his dual life style. Butin the sequel "The Dark Knight", it gets worse before it gets better, as seen in the final clip of"Batman Begins", with Lt.James Gordon holding a joker card. Which was left behind during a robbery heist. We all remember Gordon's favorite punch line "He seems to have a taste for the theatrics also".

According to Producer/writer Christopher Nolan, the Joker will be depicted in the manor of his first two appearances in the early comic book run. Unlike Tim Burton's 1989 block buster, the Joker is a jewlery theif, who in the beginning works alone, before acquiring any henchmen.

Heath Ledger(Joker)has been quoted saying," It will be less about his smile, and more about his eyes".





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[Keyser Sushi]

Hey i just found this out on www.**************.com:

Joker role to take on original comic book appearance

According to IGN sources, " The Dark Knight", follow-up to "Batman Begins", will appear to take on the story line of the first-two-comic books from the silver age(1939).
http://www.**************.com/images/news/batman-begins/batman-no1-cover_1159568289.jpg

It is clear that "Batman Begins" shows us the mythology of Bruce Wayne/ Batman, and the hidden demons that tourment his dual life style. Butin the sequel "The Dark Knight", it gets worse before it gets better, as seen in the final clip of"Batman Begins", with Lt.James Gordon holding a joker card. Which was left behind during a robbery heist. We all remember Gordon's favorite punch line "He seems to have a taste for the theatrics also".

According to Producer/writer Christopher Nolan, the Joker will be depicted in the manor of his first two appearances in the early comic book run. Unlike Tim Burton's 1989 block buster, the Joker is a jewlery theif, who in the beginning works alone, before acquiring any henchmen.

Heath Ledger(Joker)has been quoted saying," It will be less about his smile, and more about his eyes".





http://www.**************.com/images/news/batman-begins/joker-20050531080358192-000.jpg[/qoute]

Was that article written by a gold lion tamaran after a pack of cigarillos and half a case of Red Bull?

 

[newwaveboy87]

probably

 

[Keyser Sushi]

probably

Would explain alot.

Halfway through that article my brain tried to escape out my ear. It took a pencil, a Burger King straw, and a can of compressed air to get it back in.

buata a think ai'm fine.

 

[newwaveboy87]

oh, for sure you are

 

[COMPO]

Hey i just found this out on www.**************.com:

Joker role to take on original comic book appearance

According to IGN sources, " The Dark Knight", follow-up to "Batman Begins", will appear to take on the story line of the first-two-comic books from the silver age(1939).
http://www.**************.com/images/news/batman-begins/batman-no1-cover_1159568289.jpg

It is clear that "Batman Begins" shows us the mythology of Bruce Wayne/ Batman, and the hidden demons that tourment his dual life style. Butin the sequel "The Dark Knight", it gets worse before it gets better, as seen in the final clip of"Batman Begins", with Lt.James Gordon holding a joker card. Which was left behind during a robbery heist. We all remember Gordon's favorite punch line "He seems to have a taste for the theatrics also".

According to Producer/writer Christopher Nolan, the Joker will be depicted in the manor of his first two appearances in the early comic book run. Unlike Tim Burton's 1989 block buster, the Joker is a jewlery theif, who in the beginning works alone, before acquiring any henchmen.

Heath Ledger(Joker)has been quoted saying," It will be less about his smile, and more about his eyes".





http://www.**************.com/images/news/batman-begins/joker-20050531080358192-000.jpg[/qoute]

What's up with it? Nolan did say he was going to be taking stuff from Joker's first two appearances and in them he was a jewel theif/murderer/psychopath

 

[COMPO]

In the Joker’s first appearance, he’s not quite the wacky loon he would become in later appearances; however, he’s murderous as ever. Making his presence known via a radio announcement, the Joker declares his intention to kill millionaire Henry Claridge that very night at midnight and steal his famed Claridge Diamond. Despite the battalion of police guarding the millionaire, at the stroke of midnight Claridge drops to the floor, dead, with his facial muscles pulling back into a hideous smile.

Furthermore, the police find that the diamond is already gone, having been replaced by a glass phony, accompanied by a playing card bearing the Joker’s likeness. As it turns out, the Joker had committed the crime the night before, injecting Claridge with a version of his Joker venom that takes 24 hours to take effect.

The Joker strikes again later that week, with a radio promise to steal the Ronkers Ruby and murder its owner. This time, the Joker, hiding inside an ornamental suit of armor, kills with a poison dart gun bearing his deadly Joker venom.

The Batman first encounters the Joker while attempting to stop the murder of Gotham gangster Brute Nelson, who had been badmouthing Gotham’s newest criminal.

Joker proves to be a physical match for Batman, and the Joker manages to escape, and goes on to make his next radio threat, this time to Judge Drake, who had once sent him to prison. While the Judge seems safe, under the personal protection of Gotham’s Chief of Police, things are not always what they seem.

i think its a great idea for Nolan to be using Joker's first appearance. Becasue as you can see it is the Joker everyone whats and hasn't seen. Because not only is Joker more sinister he's a physical match for batman which he lacked in B89.

 

[Ronny Shade]

There's a lot more to the character than the modern-day notion that he doesn't kill. Still, if that's all you see in the character, then you'd be able to enjoy just about any character that doesn't kill, as much as you enjoy Batman. Anyhoo, the lives of innocents vs. the life of Ra's al Ghul. The choice is easy.

No, it's NOT easy. Batman has sworn never to kill. Batman takes promised very seriously. Batman is a protector, not a punisher.

 

[Silver Souper]

No, it isn't. They were both in a position to die. Ra's was responsible for the situation. Batman saved himself from imminent death. Your comparison is false.



Just like you say, they're not trying to be ambiguous. If anything, they've spelled out the meaning of the scene to us with Batman's last line to Ra's. There's no need to dig any deeper than that. Batman didn't kill Ra's.

good point. Batman is letting Ra's experience the consequences of his (ras) actions. Batman doesn't have to save ras from what he started. if anything- you should blame gordon for ra's death, he's the one who shot out the pillars.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Batman was the one who jammed the controls and commissioned the blowing up of the bridge. Batman was the one who created the deathtrap. Batman was responsible. Ra's never intended the detsruction of the train.

 

[COMPO]

batman threw a batarang at the window so that Ra's could escape.

 

[Ronny Shade]

arguable.

 

[Silver Souper]

Batman was the one who jammed the controls and commissioned the blowing up of the bridge. Batman was the one who created the deathtrap. Batman was responsible. Ra's never intended the detsruction of the train.

ra's highjacked the train, not batman. ra's first heightened the risk to his own life by his plan- batman let him meet that fate. batman did not wish to jam the train and blow up the tracks- he had no other choice, based on ra's FIRST move.

 

[newwaveboy87]

arguable? even those his exact words:
"I'm not going to kill, but I don't have to save you either."

 

[Silver Souper]

damn my

 

[Silver Souper]

network

 

[COMPO]

what do you mean?

 

[Ronny Shade]

ra's highjacked the train, not batman. ra's first heightened the risk to his own life by his plan- batman let him meet that fate. batman did not wish to jam the train and blow up the tracks- he had no other choice, based on ra's FIRST move.

He did have other choices. He could've done everything he did, except also save Ra's.

 

[Silver Souper]

He did have other choices. He could've done everything he did, except also save Ra's.

if you leave a man on the battlefield and he dies, is that murder?